Patrick Reed at it again (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***)

[wobgon]

2 hours ago, IndyArcher said:

 

But the basis of virtually the entire argument has been, "It's the WRONG tree!" We seem to have MULTIPLE officials on the ground saying it was the RIGHT tree. I don't think there is a basis for declaring that there is no way that he could have been sure it was his ball. Can we suspect? Absolutely! And has he given reasons to be suspicious? Sure! But the bottom line is, we don't know. Officials there apparently say it was one tree; video seems to show another. But the frame by frame doesn't show it landing in the tree, so who knows? I sure don't. Rory doesn't, which, I assume, is why he said people are making too much of this. 

 

The most entertaining thing for me is seeing how emotionally vested people are in the topic. 

Yep, I noticed that also.....You really should try to control your emotions.

[CDM]

On 2/1/2023 at 9:51 AM, szaino said:

As the video shows, Reeds ball went into the other tree. So there is no way that the ball he identified was his ball.  

 

Trying to Identify a Prov1 (one of the most common balls used)  up in a tree with binoculars is a stretch to begin with.  Player's are aware of this and in fact must be able to identify their ball - period. There is no virtual certainty, or maybe's involved.

 

Reed has shown over time that if he can in any way bend the situation to his favor, he will look for a any way to do this. At some point you get tired of seeing this same behavior. I call these type of people cheaters.

 

Did not read this whole thread...but wow, some interesting comments/hate by many in this thread over somethign that had not change on the winner of the event  

 

@szaino not pointing at you directly just your post is similar and Reed noted his marking and 3... not 1...3 said they saw the ball in the tree with those markings. 

 

If Rory said it is being blow out and waste of time, DP tour said was handled correctly what is the point? 3 rules officals reviewed it and the odds that all 3 agree are so slim and yet no one can believe the officals....? 

 

All it takes is one of those officals to question that it is not his ball and he goes back to the tee.  Given history I would assume all 3 knew they needed to make sure.    

 

The best player last week won...!  Regardless of a ball in the tree or not.  If Reed re-teed I would bet he would bogey the hole as it was playing easiest on the course so it would of changed who the winner was... RORY would have still won. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by CDM

[szaino]

13 hours ago, kwcsports said:

Reed is a cheater. I can't stand cheaters.

 Agree.

 

Reed's post is a telling behavior of cheater's. They talk all around the issue and try to blame someone else. He is starting to sound like George Santos.- You get to a point where you question everything that comes out of his mouth.

 

Who said what tree, and what his ball markings are etc are totally irrelevant in Reeds post. Reed, as a player, is responsible to identify his ball. This was a fail on all accounts. 

[caniac6]

Reed’s character and honesty have come in question multiple times from his college career to the present. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him hit a white ball into the woods, claim he found his ball, and hit a yellow ball out. It’s a real shame because he is really good.

[Holy Moses]

There were Reed defenders after the embedded ball incident at Torrey, but there doesn’t seem to be any more defenders left

[szaino]

1 hour ago, CDM said:

 

Did not read this whole thread...but wow, some interesting comments/hate by many in this thread over somethign that had not change on the winner of the event  

 

@szaino not pointing at you directly just your post is similar and Reed noted his marking and 3... not 1...3 said they saw the ball in the tree with those markings. 

 

If Rory said it is being blow out and waste of time, DP tour said was handled correctly what is the point? 3 rules officals reviewed it and the odds that all 3 agree are so slim and yet no one can believe the officals....? 

 

All it takes is one of those officals to question that it is not his ball and he goes back to the tee.  Given history I would assume all 3 knew they needed to make sure.    

 

The best player last week won...!  Regardless of a ball in the tree or not.  If Reed re-teed I would bet he would bogey the hole as it was playing easiest on the course so it would of changed who the winner was... RORY would have still won. 

 

Whether this affected who won the tournament or prize money or OWGR etc is irrelevant. We are a society of rules, and rules draw lines in the sand. That's all this thread is about. Reed sticks out like a sore thumb among Pro golfers.

[Krt22]

2 hours ago, Dpavs said:

 

 

Got it. I found the clip where Reed was looking through the binoculars and then described a ball he saw as his own. It certainly has the appearance of being shady... and you would think he would learn to avoid that by now. But, in truth, he sadly probably just doesn't care.

Yeah pretty easy

 

*Looks in binos* Yeah that is my ball, prov1, back line, and a small arrow

 

He could have picked any ball in the tree and described it, then had the official "verify" it. 

 

This is exactly why I always ask "What are you playing" when looking for someone else's ball. Instead of "are you playing a prov1 with a blue dot"

[IndyArcher]

2 hours ago, wobgon said:

Yep, I noticed that also.....You really should try to control your emotions.

 

True dat! I'm laughing so hard at some of ya'll that I'm busting a gut! 

[Titleist99]

38 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

Yeah pretty easy

 

*Looks in binos* Yeah that is my ball, prov1, back line, and a small arrow

 

He could have picked any ball in the tree and described it, then had the official "verify" it. 

 

This is exactly why I always ask "What are you playing" when looking for someone else's ball. Instead of "are you playing a prov1 with a blue dot"

"This is exactly why I always ask "What are you playing" when looking for someone else's ball. Instead of "are you playing a prov1 with a blue dot"

 

This is the only way to do it..................we should alert the DPWT officials, I think the PGAT officials already know when it comes to PR. LOL!

[capking]

19 hours ago, Frankensteins Monster said:

 

 

He, for sure, does. I know because he blocked me on Twitter. For someone so fat, he has the thinest skin.

Yeah I can hardly imagine why. Being his social media manager/worker might be the hardest job in golf.

[capking]

1 hour ago, szaino said:

 

Whether this affected who won the tournament or prize money or OWGR etc is irrelevant. We are a society of rules, and rules draw lines in the sand. That's all this thread is about. Reed sticks out like a sore thumb among Pro golfers.

did you just watch the big lebowski? This aggression will not stand

[I'_rather_be_golfing]

3 hours ago, CDM said:

 

Did not read this whole thread...but wow, some interesting comments/hate by many in this thread over somethign that had not change on the winner of the event  

 

@szaino not pointing at you directly just your post is similar and Reed noted his marking and 3... not 1...3 said they saw the ball in the tree with those markings. 

 

If Rory said it is being blow out and waste of time, DP tour said was handled correctly what is the point? 3 rules officals reviewed it and the odds that all 3 agree are so slim and yet no one can believe the officals....? 

 

All it takes is one of those officals to question that it is not his ball and he goes back to the tee.  Given history I would assume all 3 knew they needed to make sure.    

 

The best player last week won...!  Regardless of a ball in the tree or not.  If Reed re-teed I would bet he would bogey the hole as it was playing easiest on the course so it would of changed who the winner was... RORY would have still won. 

Doesn't matter that Rory won. Cause that isn't what it's about. It's about Patrick and his shady demeanor.  I'm pretty sure the pros that actually play with Patrick would agree also. I can care less about what Rory said afterwards. He has his own agenda with Patrick personally. Rory decided to take the high road and bounce with his paycheck.

[8602081]

I think they should suspend him.  

They need to set an example that cheating doesn't pay.  This will encourage other of not cheating..

 

Shoving it under the rug, because the right person won.. doesn't make it right..

 

 

Isn't it under Saudi law..

If they commit a crime, they either chop his hand off or gouge his eyes out.

 

I'm ok with either..

😁

 

[Dicka]

6 hours ago, IndyArcher said:

 

 

The most entertaining thing for me is seeing how emotionally vested people are in the topic. 

 

The reason I get wound up by stuff like this is the slow creep, trashing the rules and standards of the game from blokes like Reed. Behaviour like his needs to be called out before it becomes accepted practice.

[mat562]

2 hours ago, szaino said:

 

 rules draw lines in the sand.

 

Artisan wedges do that too.

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, 8602081 said:

I think they should suspend him.  

They need to set an example that cheating doesn't pay.  This will encourage other of not cheating..

 

Shoving it under the rug, because the right person won.. doesn't make it right..

 

 

Isn't it under Saudi law..

If they commit a crime, they either chop his hand off or gouge his eyes out.

 

I'm ok with either..

😁

 

 

He wasn't in Saudi Arabia.

 

Given his allegiances, the Saudi punishment would be letting him toss a few tees at the victims of their choice.

[Krt22]

1 hour ago, mat562 said:

 

Artisan wedges do that too.

On might call that more of a trench

[Krt22]

38 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

He wasn't in Saudi Arabia.

 

Given his allegiances, the Saudi punishment would be letting him toss a few tees at the victims of their choice.

If the crown Prince of Saudi wants to act like a child, he'll treat him like one

[mizuno player]

It's over Delta house. You're out!!! 

Mr. Reed. Zerooo  point zero ...... 

[Titleist99]

11 hours ago, CDM said:

 

Did not read this whole thread...but wow, some interesting comments/hate by many in this thread over somethign that had not change on the winner of the event  

 

@szaino not pointing at you directly just your post is similar and Reed noted his marking and 3... not 1...3 said they saw the ball in the tree with those markings. 

 

If Rory said it is being blow out and waste of time, DP tour said was handled correctly what is the point? 3 rules officals reviewed it and the odds that all 3 agree are so slim and yet no one can believe the officals....? 

 

All it takes is one of those officals to question that it is not his ball and he goes back to the tee.  Given history I would assume all 3 knew they needed to make sure.    

 

The best player last week won...!  Regardless of a ball in the tree or not.  If Reed re-teed I would bet he would bogey the hole as it was playing easiest on the course so it would of changed who the winner was... RORY would have still won. 

Well stated.....the only one that question your logic is Brandel Chamblee from the golf Channel. PReed is Sueing him so, we'll let the courts decide....LOL!

[philly2kuk]

12 hours ago, szaino said:

 

Whether this affected who won the tournament or prize money or OWGR etc is irrelevant. We are a society of rules, and rules draw lines in the sand. That's all this thread is about. Reed sticks out like a sore thumb among Pro golfers.

Reed draws lines in the sand as well, mainly to improve his lie.

 

edit: @mat562you beat me to it haha.

Edited February 3, 2023 by philly2kuk

[hunterdog]

Isn’t a big problem with golfers who are cheaters is that we can’t trust their score on a day to day basis. Sometimes a cheater is caught and is penalized but how many rounds was there a nudge, a tamp, shooting sand, etc that isn’t caught? A stroke here, a stroke there, and tournament results are different.

[drbonesvt]

On 2/2/2023 at 9:46 PM, mizuno player said:

It's over Delta house. You're out!!! 

Mr. Reed. Zerooo  point zero ...... 

he needs to be on n double secret probation 

[jmck]

2 hours ago, hunterdog said:

Isn’t a big problem with golfers who are cheaters is that we can’t trust their score on a day to day basis. Sometimes a cheater is caught and is penalized but how many rounds was there a nudge, a tamp, shooting sand, etc that isn’t caught? A stroke here, a stroke there, and tournament results are different.

Yep.  That's what the no-big-deal-Rory-won-anyway crowd is missing.  

 

We've seen what Reed will do on camera.  What has he done over the course of his career when no one is watching?  How many 7:30am Thursday/Friday tee times has he had where there's no gallery, no TV crew, no one at all around?  That year he won at Augusta, how many bunker shots did he hit where there was no one behind him to see if he was improving his lie?

 

He's won nine times on tour.  Two of those were in playoffs, five of them were by one shot, including the Masters.  It's not that hard to cheat your way to one or two shots better than you should've been over the course of 72 holes.  We all just saw him do that with his palm tree routine, live on TV.  Maybe we should be living in a world where Reed's won 2 or 3 times on tour, and Rickie Fowler has won six times instead of five, including a Masters.

[jd3032]

careful caniac6

 

reed will sue you as he has so many others with the claim of questioning his character or making disparaging remarks,

 

:0)

 

 

[Pastit]

On 2/2/2023 at 4:49 PM, CDM said:

 

Did not read this whole thread...but wow, some interesting comments/hate by many in this thread over somethign that had not change on the winner of the event  

 

@szaino not pointing at you directly just your post is similar and Reed noted his marking and 3... not 1...3 said they saw the ball in the tree with those markings. 

 

If Rory said it is being blow out and waste of time, DP tour said was handled correctly what is the point? 3 rules officals reviewed it and the odds that all 3 agree are so slim and yet no one can believe the officals....? 

 

All it takes is one of those officals to question that it is not his ball and he goes back to the tee.  Given history I would assume all 3 knew they needed to make sure.    

 

The best player last week won...!  Regardless of a ball in the tree or not.  If Reed re-teed I would bet he would bogey the hole as it was playing easiest on the course so it would of changed who the winner was... RORY would have still won. 

The ball ID issue has nothing whatsoever to do with who won the event. 
 

The DPWT and it’s refs are notoriously poor at spotting problems and will not learn from their errors. We’ve seen the foul-mouthed Scot, McIntyre, get away with it already this season. 

[the bishop]

11 hours ago, jd3032 said:

careful caniac6

 

reed will sue you as he has so many others with the claim of questioning his character or making disparaging remarks,

 

:0)

 

 

Welcome to GolfWRX.  A tip when you want to tag someone use the @ symbol prior to typing their handle.  Example @caniac6

[Duct Tape]

On 2/2/2023 at 11:11 AM, caniac6 said:

Reed’s character and honesty have come in question multiple times from his college career to the present. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him hit a white ball into the woods, claim he found his ball, and hit a yellow ball out. It’s a real shame because he is really good.

We are pretty far now from Captain America!

[ahenderX]

A federal judge has tossed Reed’s lawsuit(s) against various media outlets and talking heads.  

[Chunkitgood]

Looks like the judge required Reed plead “actual malice.”  As someone with a family member in public life who has been repeatedly defamed, I can tell you that that standard is both ridiculously high and subject to ridiculously highly biased interpretation in particular cases.

 

Strangely enough, proving actual malice that is that the person making the statement actually hates and wants to destroy the reputation of the subject of the statement seems not to matter.

 

The only point is the ruling does not appear to establish the truth of what was said about Reed.