Patrick Reed at it again (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***)

[betarhoalphadelta]

This should be a litmus test...

 

If you want to file a lawsuit, and the only lawyer you can find who thinks there is merit in the case is Larry Klayman...

 

...you don't have a case. 

[NevinW]

I have to say that in the past I was always one to give the antics of Reed, Johnson, DeChambeau, Koepka et al, the benefit of the doubt when they were criticized on Golfwrx, but I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong.  What were are seeing here is the formation of nothing less than The League of Extraordinary Douchebags.

[Wasted_Talent]

13 minutes ago, NevinW said:

I have to say that in the past I was always one to give the antics of Reed, Johnson, DeChambeau, Koepka et al, the benefit of the doubt when they were criticized on Golfwrx, but I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong.  What were are seeing here is the formation of nothing less than The League of Extraordinary Douchebags.

Bravo!  Well done sir.

[TwistedSister]

21 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

“Chamblee and NBC’s Golf Channel are alleged to have defamed this world class golfer, by falsely and maliciously branding him a cheater, liar, and a thief”

 

Your honor, exhibit A…

 

”Was he cheating?”

 

BK, “Uh yeah”

 

Case dismissed 🤣

 

 

Using this as a rationale  then Cam Smith is a cheater?

[Dutch1008]

36 minutes ago, NevinW said:

I have to say that in the past I was always one to give the antics of Reed, Johnson, DeChambeau, Koepka et al, the benefit of the doubt when they were criticized on Golfwrx, but I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong.  What were are seeing here is the formation of nothing less than The League of Extraordinary Douchebags.

I don't think DJ should be included in that group. He was pretty honest in his reasons for leaving, resigned his PGA membership, hasn't been running through the media and podcast circuit trashing the tour or providing asinine justifications for his decision, and he hasn't chased the litigation route. Unless I missed something, DJ took his money and left quietly. I would have preferred he stayed, but can respect how he left.    

[GolfTurkey]

3 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

I don't think DJ should be included in that group. He was pretty honest in his reasons for leaving, resigned his PGA membership, hasn't been running through the media and podcast circuit trashing the tour or providing asinine justifications for his decision, and he hasn't chased the litigation route. Unless I missed something, DJ took his money and left quietly. I would have preferred he stayed, but can respect how he left.    

Yeah he has handled his departure quietly.
 

There are persistent rumours regarding other players’ wives and drug suspensions which might make some people think that he is a good fit for LIV, dependant on whether they believe the rumours and their views on such matters.

[TwistedSister]

2 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

Yeah he has handled his departure quietly.
 

There are persistent rumours regarding other players’ wives and drug suspensions which might make some people think that he is a good fit for LIV, dependant on whether they believe the rumours and their views on such matters.

Really good spreading unfounded rumors. 

[Muffy]

49 minutes ago, NevinW said:

I have to say that in the past I was always one to give the antics of Reed, Johnson, DeChambeau, Koepka et al, the benefit of the doubt when they were criticized on Golfwrx, but I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong.  What were are seeing here is the formation of nothing less than The League of Extraordinary Douchebags.

I was thinking "Lawsuits In Vogue" (LIV), but the d-bag angle is more appropriate.

[Wasted_Talent]

DJ said he doesn’t want to play golf past 40.  This made sense for him, and he has handless it well.  

[GolfTurkey]

2 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

Really good spreading unfounded rumors. 

 

How do you know they are unfounded?

 

The very nature of the PGA Tour disciplinary process, i.e. not announcing suspensions and what they are for, leads to speculation and whispers, so we have articles like https://www.espn.com.au/golf/story/_/id/11296523/dustin-johnson-suspended-six-months-pga-tour-testing-positive-cocaine-use

[TwistedSister]

1 minute ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

How do you know they are unfounded?

 

The very nature of the PGA Tour disciplinary process, i.e. not announcing suspensions and what they are for, leads to speculation and whispers, so we have articles like https://www.espn.com.au/golf/story/_/id/11296523/dustin-johnson-suspended-six-months-pga-tour-testing-positive-cocaine-use

Look at the date!!!!!  He has gone thru treatment.  Now do you have anything more recent that this article. Geesh!!

[GolfTurkey]

6 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

Look at the date!!!!!  He has gone thru treatment.  Now do you have anything more recent that this article. Geesh!!

 

There was this as well, which you only know is true or not if you are DJ:

 

 

This may be ancient history to you, but people still bring up Reed's college history as part of his general character profile fitting several of the players who have gone to LIV.

 

Stuff like allegations of cheating, allegations of stealing other players' stuff -> estrangement from parents -> cheating on camera on the PGA Tour -> departs for LIV -> files comical lawsuit using buffoon lawyer. Paints a picture.

Another player: makes racist comments about Tiger -> spits in cup -> hacks up green -> joins LIV.

Allegations of fake public persona -> gambling debts -> playing hockey during the US Open -> making derogatory comments about new employer -> LIV.

Drugs -> other players' wives -> Liv seems to fit a stereotype, but as you say, it's rumour.

 

 

 

 

[Dutch1008]

13 minutes ago, GolfTurkey said:

There are persistent rumours regarding other players’ wives and drug suspensions which might make some people think that he is a good fit for LIV, dependant on whether they believe the rumours and their views on such matters.

I don't really care what DJ does in his free time. He could spend every off week on a yacht in Monte Carlo splitting rails off escorts with his wife if he so chooses. It's his money and his life. Ride that bull until it kicks you. He's under no obligation to live according to my personal ethics. I just like watching him play golf and of the folks that have bailed to LIV, DJ, somewhat counter-intuitively, has handled it with more maturity and professionalism than most.    

[bscinstnct]

59 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

Using this as a rationale  then Cam Smith is a cheater?

 

BK called CS a cheater?

 

Hey, where is BK? Guy like #1 posing in thongs, then just evaporated from planet golf. 

Edited August 18, 2022 by bscinstnct

[TwistedSister]

1 minute ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

There was this as well, which you only know is true or not if you are DJ:

 

 

This may be ancient history to you, but people still bring up Reed's college history as part of his general character profile fitting several of the players who have gone to LIV.

 

Stuff like allegations of cheating, allegations of stealing other players' stuff -> estrangement from parents -> cheating on camera on the PGA Tour -> departs for LIV -> files comical lawsuit using buffoon lawyer. Paints a picture.

Another player: makes racist comments about Tiger -> spits in cup -> hacks up green -> joins LIV.

Allegations of fake public persona -> gambling debts -> playing hockey during the US Open -> making derogatory comments about new employer -> LIV.

Drugs -> other players' wives -> Liv seems to fit a stereotype, but as you say, it's rumour.

 

 

 

 

From the same era in the deep past. Long before his marriage. Just because there are bozos on here that like to bash Reed is no justification to lambaste DJ.  And they have no right to call out Reed or anyone.  Unless they are without sin! I am sure in their "deep past" they have had their rules violations that they were penalized for. And I am sure they ALL still buy a large amount of stuff from the most egregious human right violating country on Earth,  the NBA's own love child, China!

[TwistedSister]

Just now, bscinstnct said:

 

BK called CS a cheater?

 

Hey, where is BK? Guy like evaporated from planet golf. 

No but he called Reed a cheater for a rules violation.  Wasn't it Smith who had one last weekend?

[bscinstnct]

17 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

No but he called Reed a cheater for a rules violation.  Wasn't it Smith who had one last weekend?

 

Hey, this pro just called PR a cheater too!

 

🤣

 

 

 

[nsxguy]

25 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

No but he called Reed a cheater for a rules violation.  Wasn't it Smith who had one last weekend?

 

Had one what ?

[mitchl]

1 hour ago, dhacker56 said:

Using this as a rationale  then Cam Smith is a cheater?

well, in PReeds case, it has been multiple instances in the PGA, in addition to the allegations in college.   
 

as for Cam Smith, hitting off that paint didn’t give him any advantage… it really was just a brain fart or misinterpretation on his part.   And he didn’t get away with anything either.

[fronesis]

39 minutes ago, dhacker56 said:

No but he called Reed a cheater for a rules violation.  Wasn't it Smith who had one last weekend?

He called him a cheater for cheating – intentionally breaking the rules. 

 

That is totally different from dropping in the wrong spot (what Smith) did, or dozens of other ways that you might make an accidental mistake that violates the rules.

 

In a high school event I mistakenly teed off from the wrong tees – too far back. That’s breaking the rules, but it was an accident. My playing opponents noticed. I thought the rule was to play the ball with a two-stroke penalty; I checked with a coach on the tee box and my playing partners. They all confirmed that was the rule. So I played out the hole and on the next tee I got out my rule book (EVERYONE carried them back then), and looked up the rule. It is a stroke and distance penalty, but you have to re-tee. If you don’t re-tee and you finish the hole your DQd. 

 

So I violated one rule (teed from the wrong area) and then failed to implement the penalty properly (didn’t re-tee, but instead played my original ball) and I was disqualified from a major tournament for it. 

 

But I never cheated.

 

Oh, and Patrick Reed – definitely a cheater. 

[mitchl]

Hey LIV has rankings now!    Gotta wonder if Reed had dropped this lawsuit last week if CPG would rank him further up the list.

 

[Valtiel]

4 hours ago, PZero said:

I mean, we all know in our hearts what is right.

[tw_focus]

12 hours ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

I read the complaint and thought to myself "unless the legal standard for defamation is CONSIDERABLY lower in Texas than anywhere I'm familiar with, Reed has no case."

 

Anything related to LIV and its funding would be seen as statements of opinion and not demonstrable falsehoods. Most of the cheating stuff as well. Especially the one where they defend Reed by saying he was *only* assessed a two-stroke penalty for an incident and not DQ'd. 

 

The below post does not constitute legal advice in any way, shape, or form.

 

I read the complaint as well and I think it is likely to succeed on its merits. In my professional opinion several of the charges are slam-dunk wins for Reed, especially the hostile work environment complaint, for which the complaint is especially strong.

[Valtiel]

Just now, tw_focus said:

 

The below post does not constitute legal advice in any way, shape, or form.

 

I read the complaint as well and I think it is likely to succeed on its merits. In my professional opinion several of the charges are slam-dunk wins for Reed, especially the hostile work environment complaint, for which the complaint is especially strong.

Same kind of slam dunk as all your Tiger win predictions, yeah?

[e.king.gill]

@Captian_America  / well  maybe not any more - more like @Captian_Taliban but I  digress....

 

No one lilkes Brandle  either.  There is literally nothing he could say that would make anyone like you any less than they already don't.  Just embrace it and count your blood money.  Clearly not and never have  been  here to make friends, fans, or followers ... why abandon  that approach now.   Better  player  than I will  ever  be - supremetly confident I smoke you when it  comes to   1) friendships  gained through golf   2) joyful  moments with others  3)  integrity  4) not  getting kicked out of college for under age drinking -  this just  in we  ALL did it and most of us graduated... maybe it  was  a  convenient excuse .... 

 

 

 

 

[dan360]

Good. 

 

Win Lose or Draw the media narrative is out of control lately and 'journalists' need to be put in their place sometimes. 

[joe perry]

4 hours ago, Dutch1008 said:

I don't think DJ should be included in that group. He was pretty honest in his reasons for leaving, resigned his PGA membership, hasn't been running through the media and podcast circuit trashing the tour or providing asinine justifications for his decision, and he hasn't chased the litigation route. Unless I missed something, DJ took his money and left quietly. I would have preferred he stayed, but can respect how he left.    

I think DJ has proven himself in winning regular tour events 

 

I don’t mind him and want him to focus on the majors the next few years - I think he could win an Open and I think he would be truly humble and grateful when accepting with no need to mention LIV 

[joe perry]

17 hours ago, drbonesvt said:

I didn’t know that had occurred 

https://www.golfcentraldaily.com/2018/08/patrick-reed-redsox-tickets-story.html?m=1

[NoFancyUsername.]

13 hours ago, ahenderX said:

The below article was cited in a Washington Post article relating to Patrick Reed's "cheating" lawsuit against Brandel Chamblee and Golf Channel. It's a pretty good summary of Patrick Reed's college career at the University of Georgia and Augusta State and the "problems" he had during his time at each school. The article is dated January 30, 2015.

 

From the Tobacco Road Blues:

 

The Villain: Patrick Reed

 

Washington Post article:

 

Patrick Reed has feuded with Brandel Chamblee for years. Now there’s a lawsuit.

Thanks, great articles.

It worries me though, when journos say "from sources who prefer to remain anonymous"

Credibility goes out the door. I speak from experience.

[TwistedSister]

10 hours ago, fronesis said:

He called him a cheater for cheating – intentionally breaking the rules. 

 

That is totally different from dropping in the wrong spot (what Smith) did, or dozens of other ways that you might make an accidental mistake that violates the rules.

 

In a high school event I mistakenly teed off from the wrong tees – too far back. That’s breaking the rules, but it was an accident. My playing opponents noticed. I thought the rule was to play the ball with a two-stroke penalty; I checked with a coach on the tee box and my playing partners. They all confirmed that was the rule. So I played out the hole and on the next tee I got out my rule book (EVERYONE carried them back then), and looked up the rule. It is a stroke and distance penalty, but you have to re-tee. If you don’t re-tee and you finish the hole your DQd. 

 

So I violated one rule (teed from the wrong area) and then failed to implement the penalty properly (didn’t re-tee, but instead played my original ball) and I was disqualified from a major tournament for it. 

 

But I never cheated.

 

Oh, and Patrick Reed – definitely a cheater. 

Did he say he did it on purpose?