Jack vs Tiger

[mikealex07]

Just a little debate 

who would win head to head prime Jack Nicklaus or prime Tiger Woods??

 

For me I would chose Jack

who you guys choosing??

[rd1959]

On 9/1/2022 at 3:47 PM, mikealex07 said:

Just a little debate 

who would win head to head prime Jack Nicklaus or prime Tiger Woods??

 

For me I would chose Jack

who you guys choosing??

Jack.

[dongodfrey]

Jack

but I was 12 when he was over here in the UK

winning opens,

he started me playing, it’s not the answer to the question I know, but what a role model.

[Neo1]

not just golf but any sports/game the players of today have to be better than the players of yesterday....based off this it's Tiger, and one day someone will be better than him

[dongodfrey]

19 hours ago, golf_junkie_85 said:

not just golf but any sports/game the players of today have to be better than the players of yesterday....based off this it's Tiger, and one day someone will be better than him

Your probably right

[CROUSE99]

In all sports with objective measurements, for example track and field, athletes are faster and bigger than 60 years ago. But Jack seems to have had as much speed as Tiger in his prime. Mentally, it’s probably a wash. They’re probably the two best pressure putters in history. Jack may have been a little straighter off the tee. Long and mid irons are probably a wash. Tiger was better around the greens. All that is to say I can’t choose between them. 

[mjtoal]

Another Jack vote here. Part of that is demeanour. Jack was as competitive as anybody, but wore it with a lot more grace. Tiger comes from the stamp on their neck and dance on their grave school of competitiveness, which to me has less class and grace. 

[Swingingk]

Each era has its dominant player.  Historical context is an important factor.  It's questionable whether or not Tiger could have competed with Jack during his Jack's era just as it's questionable whether or not Jack could have competed with Tiger during his.  Both players dominated the field in terms of the mental game but it's impossible to guess whether or not either one would have done better at the same time.  All we can guess is that a 25 year old Jack vs. a 25 year old Tiger in any era would have been a formidable battle.  Would old Tom Morris have beaten Tiger in 1890?  Would a 25 year old Walter Hagen have beaten a 25 year old Jack in Walters era?  It's fun to think about but impossible to even guess.

[DoughBack18]

I’m a vote for Jack. TW did have that intimidation factor over a lot of players. I do think there were players of Tigers era who weren’t intimidated by him, but they just lacked the talent to be able to hang. That being said, I feel like Jack is probably the greatest combination of never being intimidated and has the talent to back it up. Thats a pretty lethal combo, and thats why I would give Jack the edge. 

[dokex]

On 10/2/2022 at 4:26 PM, dongodfrey said:

Jack

but I was 12 when he was over here in the UK

winning opens,

he started me playing, it’s not the answer to the question I know, but what a role model.

Jack definitely wins the role model contest.

[Vmfwjf999]

Tiger he was tearing up tournaments Jacks largest victory was 7 and tiger won by 15 in the US open.

[Tiptx1122]

If Jack were in his prime playing with today's technology, come on are you serious. Jack would have several more Majors than what he has now. Look at how many times he finished in 2nd place at Majors. 

[bscinstnct]

How’d I miss this?!

 

These threads are my forte as I’m sure my good friends out here will testify 🤣

 

But I think I’ll take it slow and bide my time and just sharpen my TW vs Jack debate knives 🔪 for a bit 😊

 

[kmbean]

18 vs. 15

[daegyu]

12 minutes ago, Tiptx1122 said:

If Jack were in his prime playing with today's technology, come on are you serious. Jack would have several more Majors than what he has now. Look at how many times he finished in 2nd place at Majors. 

I think this runs contrary to your opinion. Modern technology usually favors the less skilled. I don't think the advancement in technology would've helped widen the gap between Jack and the field, it would probably have done the opposite. Just like Tiger had a bigger advantage over his peers when he was hitting steel shafted drivers. If all of the PGA tour had to use blades and bulls-eye putters like they did in the 60s/70s, I think Tiger would've fared better than in the era of 460cc drivers and high MOI broomstick putters. 

 

I think 2000 Tiger would've beat any golfer in history. Tiger's absolute peak was better than anyone else's. Jack had a longer period of sustained success and more majors, but best vs best I think Tiger had an additional gear that nobody else had. 

[RHenderson]

For me it's Jack, several reasons and I dont want to bring to much personal opinion into this but times were different for sure. Look at the reason I personally dont care for Tiger Woods, simply look at his fisrt Augusta win and what happened to Fuzzy Zoeller, who was suppose to be his friend and supporter, he JOKINGLY ( as a friend / mentor ) made a statement about his dinner menu and was slaughtered for it, Fuzzy made comments about what they might serve at his awards dinner, and go from there. That is not how you treat, respect, support friends, even if they are being facisious! I think alot of Pro golfers saw the reaction and results from that and were intimidated, not by Tiger but the establishment and media. It ended Fuzzy's career which I still to this day think was wrong, miss handled by Tiger, the media, and the PGA. 

But Jack was playing golf with inferior equipment compared to tiger in all facets, the comparison is not even close so we cant truly compare these two, but on professionalism, character and humility I certainly think Jack handled himself better.

For a guy that has been around the game for over 40+ years I have to say this. Are these two the very best of all time, the record shows they were, but as we all know there were probably alot of guys equally as good that never got a chance to prove themselves, due to finances, commitments, backing, sponsorships etc, so in no way can we say they were the best ever. It would do to much injustice to the local, or urban legends that never got a chance to prove themselves.

 

I agree each generation has the greatest and we will continue to see this, with technology, sports advancements, and such, but to me it comes down to simple answers. Was Jack Nicholas a man you would want your children to look up to or idolize, maybe or probably, was Tiger Woods a person you would want your children to look up to or idolize and my answer is No. I'm sorry but as a loving parent I cannot say to my kids you should model yourself after Tiger Woods so it's pretty simple to me and I have to ask would we be having this discussion 25 years ago if both were in the same generation or would it be socially or politially incorrect to even bring it up. Back in my early days, 60's - 70's it was tabu to talk about this kind of thing with a person who lived such a life style.

I'm truly blessed to have these morlas and the ability to teach them to my sons and grandchildren.

Thanks     

Edited December 21, 2022 by RHenderson

[Dutch1008]

It's Tiger. You can argue about the best career or who's a better role model, but the best golf ever played was Tiger in 2000. 9 wins and 17 top 5 in 20 starts. Zero missed cuts. He won 63% of all the prize money awarded. Won 3 majors including the US Open by 15 and The Open Championship by 8. 

 

Going further....

Golf.com  - Golfs best seasons

Spoiler

(It's Tiger in 2000)

 

Grantland.com - Golfs best major performance

Spoiler

(It's Tiger at the '00 US Open)

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Dutch1008
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[cleanfreak]

2000-2001 Tiger. I don’t think it’s even close. The Margin of victory in Tigers wins during that time is mind boggling. 

[RHenderson]

Jack Vrs Tiger, ? Intersesting. In thier prime?  Game, stats, wins, Headline News, influence, contributions, humanity etc?  What is really the answer. Ultimately there is only one dicider. And it's not up to me so again I'm not really sure why we are having this discussion? maybe for the sake of argument over something we have no decision. How can we intelligently discuss this, it's like apples and oranges.

[dropkicked]

[bscinstnct]

2 minutes ago, RHenderson said:

Jack Vrs Tiger, ? Intersesting. In thier prime?  Game, stats, wins, Headline News, influence, contributions, humanity etc?  What is really the answer. Ultimately there is only one dicider. And it's not up to me so again I'm not really sure why we are having this discussion? maybe for the sake of argument over something we have no decision. How can we intelligently discuss this, it's like apples and oranges.

 

“Nicklaus and I were watching Tiger play on TV," Tom says. "I can't remember where it was. I think it was at the Senior Skins Game. So we were in Hawaii. I said, 'Bear, he's the best, isn't he?' Jack said, 'Yeah, he's the best.'"

 

-Tom Watson

 

https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/jack-nicklaus-on-tiger-woods-yeah-hes-the-best/amp/

 

 

 

[gbang15]

Tiger. aside from 18 vs. 15, Tiger's a better athlete, and was under more pressure than Jack. Both are untouchable athletes in their prime even to the modern era; but you can only imagine the amount of pressure Tiger had as a POC. In addition, with the media booming in the early 1990s-2000s. Personally, head to head in 10 majors i'd go tiger 6 jack 4. 

[RHenderson]

Humility! Pass it on its a virtue.

Hes the best at what? Golf? Life? What is the parameter it's a game given to us for enjoyment, why ruin it with statements like this. Maybe Best of the day, best at the tournement, best of that year or how about the low scorer of the tournament? Do we think time is going to freeze or stand still for us, or Tiger Woods, we are sadly mistaken. I'm saddened to think us Humans have accepted the thought or idea that golf as we have witnessed will cease to evolve or improve with a single human. It will carry on and continue to improve.

I know alot of people worship or follow this beleif and it's your right to do so, I'm not here to promote or argue otherwise, I'm simply stating what I've seen with my own eyes and promote your ability to do likewise because it says alot about our chacter who we idolize. Pressing on.

Thanks

Rich

[SE Gamer]

I'd give the slight edge to Jack. Regardless, if the two were in their prime at the same time, a lot of the "most" major victory titles would still be up for the taking.

[bekgolf]

19 minutes ago, RHenderson said:

Jack Vrs Tiger, ? Intersesting. In thier prime?  Game, stats, wins, Headline News, influence, contributions, humanity etc?  What is really the answer. Ultimately there is only one dicider. And it's not up to me so again I'm not really sure why we are having this discussion? maybe for the sake of argument over something we have no decision. How can we intelligently discuss this, it's like apples and oranges.

 

These threads come up during this time of year, every year.  Golfers are bored and not able to golf but we still want to talk about it.

 

The thread is about a head to head competition between the two on the golf course, nothing else.

[RHenderson]

Sorry I made a politial comparison only used because it's relevent, my mistake. Kinda like Yellowstone & Dallas? maybe. Based on personal opinion or preference.

[wobgon]

11 minutes ago, RHenderson said:

Humility! Pass it on its a virtue.

Hes the best at what? Golf? Life? What is the parameter it's a game given to us for enjoyment, why ruin it with statements like this. Maybe Best of the day, best at the tournement, best of that year or how about the low scorer of the tournament? Do we think time is going to freeze or stand still for us, or Tiger Woods, we are sadly mistaken. I'm saddened to think us Humans have accepted the thought or idea that golf as we have witnessed will cease to evolve or improve with a single human. It will carry on and continue to improve.

I know alot of people worship or follow this beleif and it's your right to do so, I'm not here to promote or argue otherwise, I'm simply stating what I've seen with my own eyes and promote your ability to do likewise because it says alot about our chacter who we idolize. Pressing on.

Thanks

Rich

Are you about finished.

[RHenderson]

1 minute ago, wobgon said:

Are you about finished.

Finished With what? just trying to keep up. There is alot to keep up with and I'm not real good at all of this. But as another member stated i'm bored as well as the others since it's suppose to be minus _3* here this weekend and we cannot play golf. I'm the best golfer in our group and need to let others know about it. 

[bscinstnct]

^ that’s so @wobgon

 

🤣 🍻 

[Dutch1008]

12 minutes ago, RHenderson said:

I know alot of people worship or follow this beleif and it's your right to do so, I'm not here to promote or argue otherwise, I'm simply stating what I've seen with my own eyes and promote your ability to do likewise because it says alot about our chacter who we idolize. Pressing on.

I don't think the question is who's a more worthy idol. That's a bit high minded for what should be a simple bar argument. At their peak, who was the better golfer. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and whether your choice is Jack or Tiger (Or Hogan for that matter) doesn't reflect on your moral standing. 

 

These arguments will go on forever. No different than...

 

Brady vs Montana

Jim Brown vs Walter Payton

Babe Ruth vs Willy Mays

Jordan vs Lebron

 

There is no right answer, just well argued or poorly argued opinion.