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Quick question on DG TI shafts that I've wondered about recently.  Are they binned and sold as matched sets, or is each individual shaft simply closer to tolerance?

 

Let me try to elaborate to the best of my ability:

 

Binned and Matched:

Shafts are produced and weighed

The target spec is 130g

Shafts that are 129.5 - 130g are placed in bin 1

Shafts that are 130 - 130.5 are placed in bin 2

True temper then bundles sets from each bin and sells them as a matched set (with the black, sealed plastic packaging)

Shafts above or below that band are sold as standard DG

 

Using this method - you buy a 5 - P set, and the overall tolerance is within 0.5g range between any two shafts.  However, if you want to add a 3 or 4i shaft - it may not be from the same bin leading to an unmatched, but still "TI" shaft.

 

Toleranced:

Shafts are produced and weighed

The target spec is 130g +/- 0.5g for TI

Anything within that range is "TI"

Anything outside that range is standard DG.

 

Using this method, all shafts have a tighter tolerance than standard DG, though the overall tolerance larger (1g versus 0.5g). 

Additionally, it doesn't matter if you buy the full set or buy individual shafts.  As long as they are "TI", the tolerance is the same.

 

The numbers here are simply for concept illustration.  I'm not sure if the tolerances are accurate.

I also realize that in all likelihood, it doesn't matter for your average golfer.  

That said, I've wondered this for quite some time and am curious as to whether anyone knows the answer.

 

Specifically, I bought a 4 - P set (in the black plastic packaging) - and am curious if I add a 3i to the mix - if it makes sense to pay the extra money to buy a TI shaft or if I'm just paying more for a matching sticker given that it was not part of the original set (as would be the case if TT uses the binning method described above).

 

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It's a manufacturing tolerance like you mentioned, not a sort (as you also mentioned)

 

1. Tour Issued will have shafts weighing between 129.5 and 130.5 grams. .5g in either direction of the target weight of 130.
2. Standard DG Shafts will have shafts weighing between 128 and 132 grams. 2g in either direction of the target weight of 130.

If you buy a set of tour issued, a single tour issued or 100 of them from various retailers, they will all come in between 129.5 and 130.5 grams. Similarly, if you buy the non-tour issue, you'd get a shaft anywhere from 128 and 132 grams.

 

Hope this helps

 

EDIT: In your case, you'd benefit the same you did by going tour issue in the first place, tighter tolerance even on that single shaft. You're basically saying you'd be able to feel a 1.5g shift in weight in either direction. Do keep in mind that a single copper penny weighs 2.5 grams. Up to you whether or not it's worth it. 

 

Personally I would buy the regular degular dynamic gold and save a few bucks knowing AT WORST, it's 1.5g different but likely even closer than that. 

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I've bought a set of S400 TI before and they were out of spec. Not much, but definitely not within the +/- .5 gram tolerance. I felt ripped off.

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36 minutes ago, ChristopherMcDonald said:

It's a manufacturing tolerance like you mentioned, not a sort (as you also mentioned)

 

1. Tour Issued will have shafts weighing between 129.5 and 130.5 grams. .5g in either direction of the target weight of 130.
2. Standard DG Shafts will have shafts weighing between 128 and 132 grams. 2g in either direction of the target weight of 130.

If you buy a set of tour issued, a single tour issued or 100 of them from various retailers, they will all come in between 129.5 and 130.5 grams. Similarly, if you buy the non-tour issue, you'd get a shaft anywhere from 128 and 132 grams.

 

Hope this helps

 

EDIT: In your case, you'd benefit the same you did by going tour issue in the first place, tighter tolerance even on that single shaft. You're basically saying you'd be able to feel a 1.5g shift in weight in either direction. Do keep in mind that a single copper penny weighs 2.5 grams. Up to you whether or not it's worth it. 

 

Personally I would buy the regular degular dynamic gold and save a few bucks knowing AT WORST, it's 1.5g different but likely even closer than that. 

 

This is exactly what I was asking.  Thank you!

 

Also - note that I did NOT say that I would be able to tell the difference.  I specifically said it probably doesn't matter 😄

 

That said, I've spent a lot of money on dumb stuff in the past - and trust me when I say that paying a couple hundred bucks for cooler stickers was not the dumbest thing I've ever done.  😄

 

Thanks again!

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3 minutes ago, drumdude96 said:

I've bought a set of S400 TI before and they were out of spec. Not much, but definitely not within the +/- .5 gram tolerance. I felt ripped off.

 

This is infuriating.  I'd feel the same.

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22 minutes ago, MysteryV said:

 

This is exactly what I was asking.  Thank you!

 

Also - note that I did NOT say that I would be able to tell the difference.  I specifically said it probably doesn't matter 😄

 

That said, I've spent a lot of money on dumb stuff in the past - and trust me when I say that paying a couple hundred bucks for cooler stickers was not the dumbest thing I've ever done.  😄

 

Thanks again!

Oh yeah I know, hope I didn't come off as insinuating that! You're on the right path sir 

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5 hours ago, MysteryV said:

 

This is exactly what I was asking.  Thank you!

 

Also - note that I did NOT say that I would be able to tell the difference.  I specifically said it probably doesn't matter 😄

 

That said, I've spent a lot of money on dumb stuff in the past - and trust me when I say that paying a couple hundred bucks for cooler stickers was not the dumbest thing I've ever done.  😄

 

Thanks again!

so do  the standard  Dynamic gold shafts exclude  those  set aside for  The Tour issue?

 

ie all those between 129.5 and 130.5 or  is there enough of them  to include with standard issue?

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4 hours ago, Thayneil said:

so do  the standard  Dynamic gold shafts exclude  those  set aside for  The Tour issue?

 

ie all those between 129.5 and 130.5 or  is there enough of them  to include with standard issue?


Lets talk Dynamic S flex.
- From 1980 TT introduced GOLD weight sorting standard of plus minus 1.5 grams, Thats how SUB flex saw the day of light. The shafts was all meant to be S300, but some came out to light, some too heavy, so WGT sorting AFTER production gave us this options:

S200 - From 125.5 to 128.5 Grams
S300 - From 128.5 to 131.5 Grams
S400 - From 131.5 to 133.5 Grams

TOUR ISSUE is a "resorting" of the S400 like this:
- 131.5 to 132.5 Grams = Tour Issue (the light side of S400)
- 131.5 to 133.5 Grams = GOLD label (just like the 1980 GOLD sorting standard)

Since the demand for S400 TOUR ISSUE is high, we can expect the GOLD sorting to be to the higher end of S400, and thats why its a waist of money to use S400 TI for wedge...use the GOLD label shafts and get more weight.

For Dynamic X flex, we only have to sorting's.
GOLD = 128.5 to 131.5 Grams
TOUR ISSUE = 129.5 to 130.5 Grams

Earlier we also had X200 and X300, but after the production equipment has been improved since 1942 when DYNAMIC was launched, we no longer find them as options, and i dont know what TT does with shafts above or below the X100 GOLD sorting range. (it would have been a marked for X200 for sure.)

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16 hours ago, Howard_Jones said:


Lets talk Dynamic S flex.
- From 1980 TT introduced GOLD weight sorting standard of plus minus 1.5 grams, Thats how SUB flex saw the day of light. The shafts was all meant to be S300, but some came out to light, some too heavy, so WGT sorting AFTER production gave us this options:

S200 - From 125.5 to 128.5 Grams
S300 - From 128.5 to 131.5 Grams
S400 - From 131.5 to 133.5 Grams

TOUR ISSUE is a "resorting" of the S400 like this:
- 131.5 to 132.5 Grams = Tour Issue (the light side of S400)
- 131.5 to 133.5 Grams = GOLD label (just like the 1980 GOLD sorting standard)

Since the demand for S400 TOUR ISSUE is high, we can expect the GOLD sorting to be to the higher end of S400, and thats why its a waist of money to use S400 TI for wedge...use the GOLD label shafts and get more weight.

For Dynamic X flex, we only have to sorting's.
GOLD = 128.5 to 131.5 Grams
TOUR ISSUE = 129.5 to 130.5 Grams

Earlier we also had X200 and X300, but after the production equipment has been improved since 1942 when DYNAMIC was launched, we no longer find them as options, and i dont know what TT does with shafts above or below the X100 GOLD sorting range. (it would have been a marked for X200 for sure.)

 

Amazing insight as always Howard.  Thank you!

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