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Most of this year I've been gaming a G425 Max Driver With a Rogue White 130 70X. I don't think I've ever hit a driver further, launching it pretty high and far, but even with the hosel set open/flat I'm finding that it has a substantial draw bias for me. Took a look at a G425 LST and that head looks perfect to me - sits more open, more compact, checks every box. Add in the fade bias it has and I decided to pick it up. But using the same Rogue White shaft, the head really seems to do what it promises - takes spin away. Ball was launching way lower, less forgiving, felt like way more work to hit. That combo is too much for me.

 

But I really do love the look of the head. Does it make sense to try a "higher" spinning shaft in it to counteract the lower spin properties of the head? I think historically I've been fit into tip-stiff shafts to help against the left miss... from my understanding the higher spin shafts generally go the other way. Am I just trading a draw-biased head for a draw-biased shaft? I'm going to do some experimenting, but any guidance on what to expect or possible shafts to look at would be appreciated. SS ~108, fairly aggressive transition. Thanks!

 

Ping G425 LST Driver 10.5* (set @ Flat) HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 60 6.5

Ping G425 Max Fairway 17.5* (set @ F- to 16.5*) Rogue White 130 MSI 80 X
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A higher launching and spinning shaft will add 1-3* more loft and add maybe 200-500 rpm more spin.  If you think those numbers are enough of an increase to get your numbers in the optimal range, then go for it. 

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Careful of the 'stiff shaft typically right, soft shaft left' misnomer. Most fitters will doa retrofit for you, go get fit and tell them you want to see if you can find a shaft to better optimize the head you already have, and test a bunch of stuff. 

Too stiff a shaft in my hands and I hit 0 spin rope hooks 50 yards left, golf is a weird sport - TEST when possible.

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4 hours ago, Potch said:

Most of this year I've been gaming a G425 Max Driver With a Rogue White 130 70X. I don't think I've ever hit a driver further, launching it pretty high and far, but even with the hosel set open/flat I'm finding that it has a substantial draw bias for me. Took a look at a G425 LST and that head looks perfect to me - sits more open, more compact, checks every box. Add in the fade bias it has and I decided to pick it up. But using the same Rogue White shaft, the head really seems to do what it promises - takes spin away. Ball was launching way lower, less forgiving, felt like way more work to hit. That combo is too much for me.

 

But I really do love the look of the head. Does it make sense to try a "higher" spinning shaft in it to counteract the lower spin properties of the head? I think historically I've been fit into tip-stiff shafts to help against the left miss... from my understanding the higher spin shafts generally go the other way. Am I just trading a draw-biased head for a draw-biased shaft? I'm going to do some experimenting, but any guidance on what to expect or possible shafts to look at would be appreciated. SS ~108, fairly aggressive transition. Thanks!

 

Post some LM numbers please...for all we know, the lest side can be eliminated with a +4 grip. (yes sometimes its that easy, you are closing up to much, figure out why, and the way you place your hands on the grip, and that grips diameter for the lowest hand could be the issue)

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I would also be wary of the 'stiff tip equals no left' mantra. I'm a strong hitter who has always struggled with a hook since junior days. This season I played with a Tensei Pro White 60TX and then a short stint with a Pro Orange 60TX in a TS3 head. struggled on and off and still fought a low hook, and had a really hard time with the Pro Orange. I went the opposite direction and picked up a Diamana BF60TX which is softer in the tip (and feels a tad lighter overall) and I rarely hook it now. High shots with more spin to retain flight, have even hit fades... I very rarely hit any of these shots with the PW and PO which are very tip stiff.

 

Interestingly, the butt section of the BF is noticeably thinner than the PW and PO, I could tell as soon as I got it regripped and held it but still no issue with the lefts (on paper, a thinner grip section and softer tip should equal left).

 

The head could be too much for you, so if you dont want to move away from a Ping head I would experiment with a tip soft, possibly lighter shaft. Depends on your budget of course. If the shaft doesnt help then the head isnt right for you.

 

If it was me, I would go back to the head that you know works and try a different shaft on that to see if the lefts go a bit, the LST head is way different to the max. Could even try a standard head?

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OP here, thanks everyone. Reading some more and I was surprised how much difference the loft of the head makes with spin. Going to try the LST today at 10.5 instead of 9.5 and see what difference that makes. Head still looks square/open to my eye at 10.5. Will report back!

Ping G425 LST Driver 10.5* (set @ Flat) HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 60 6.5

Ping G425 Max Fairway 17.5* (set @ F- to 16.5*) Rogue White 130 MSI 80 X
Ping G410 Hybrids 22* & 26* (set @ F- to 21* & 25*) Even Flow Black 85 6.5
Titleist '21 T100S 6-GW Nippon Modus 3 Tour 120S
Titleist Vokey SM8 50.08F, (bent 49*) 54.10S, DG Wedge
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1 hour ago, Potch said:

OP here, thanks everyone. Reading some more and I was surprised how much difference the loft of the head makes with spin. Going to try the LST today at 10.5 instead of 9.5 and see what difference that makes. Head still looks square/open to my eye at 10.5. Will report back!

 

Yep, I think this is the route to go.

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On 9/22/2022 at 9:58 AM, Potch said:

Most of this year I've been gaming a G425 Max Driver With a Rogue White 130 70X. I don't think I've ever hit a driver further, launching it pretty high and far, but even with the hosel set open/flat I'm finding that it has a substantial draw bias for me. Took a look at a G425 LST and that head looks perfect to me - sits more open, more compact, checks every box. Add in the fade bias it has and I decided to pick it up. But using the same Rogue White shaft, the head really seems to do what it promises - takes spin away. Ball was launching way lower, less forgiving, felt like way more work to hit. That combo is too much for me.

 

But I really do love the look of the head. Does it make sense to try a "higher" spinning shaft in it to counteract the lower spin properties of the head? I think historically I've been fit into tip-stiff shafts to help against the left miss... from my understanding the higher spin shafts generally go the other way. Am I just trading a draw-biased head for a draw-biased shaft? I'm going to do some experimenting, but any guidance on what to expect or possible shafts to look at would be appreciated. SS ~108, fairly aggressive transition. Thanks!

 

 

Club ho's be cray cray. 🙃

 

You sound like you're actually pretty pleased with your current setup.

 

Fine tuning can sometimes be pretty simple.

 

Perhaps a silly question but have you tried weakening your grip just a touch ?

 

Similar to Howard's suggestion below; a slightly thicker grip, which can result in the same thing as a slightly weaker grip on the existing club.

 

All (other) things being equal the face should be just a touch more square/less left at impact and problem may be solved.

 

A lot cheaper and quicker possible fixes before shaft and club head changes. shrug.gif

 

 

(But I do get the lure of the new club :classic_laugh: )

 

 

19 hours ago, Howard_Jones said:

Post some LM numbers please...for all we know, the lest side can be eliminated with a +4 grip. (yes sometimes its that easy, you are closing up to much, figure out why, and the way you place your hands on the grip, and that grips diameter for the lowest hand could be the issue)

 

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8 hours ago, Potch said:

OP here, thanks everyone. Reading some more and I was surprised how much difference the loft of the head makes with spin. Going to try the LST today at 10.5 instead of 9.5 and see what difference that makes. Head still looks square/open to my eye at 10.5. Will report back!


So, some very good news to report, even if it wasn’t the controlled experiment I mentioned earlier. Went to the course today with the LST lofted up to 10.5… and simultaneously had a different shaft in there. Tried out a HZDRUS Smoke Yellow 60 6.5 that I had bought to experiment with, which if nothing else is a bit lighter than the Rogue White I was using. 
 

And… it worked really, really well. Didn’t have to really go after it to hit it like I had last time out. A little lower and a lot straighter than what I had been hitting with the Max, which was exactly what I wanted. It was getting way out there. I’m super happy. 
 

How much was it lofting up the head versus swapping the shaft? Who knows, but guessing it’s much more the former than the latter. Regardless, I’m not messing with it. In the end I’m much more comfortable looking at the LST head and it’s performing just how I want. Thanks again to everyone who commented - appreciated the input!

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Ping G425 LST Driver 10.5* (set @ Flat) HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 60 6.5

Ping G425 Max Fairway 17.5* (set @ F- to 16.5*) Rogue White 130 MSI 80 X
Ping G410 Hybrids 22* & 26* (set @ F- to 21* & 25*) Even Flow Black 85 6.5
Titleist '21 T100S 6-GW Nippon Modus 3 Tour 120S
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