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Does this make sense as a amateur golfer that likes to buy way too much nonsense? Currently using vokey 46/50/54 10/12/14 bounce f grinds, also using a 58 low bounce k, but wondering given where I live (taiwan constantly wet and humid) is there ever a need for something thinner soled like a L or T grind? I occasionally find myself greenside in some rough where I really wish I can open up the club, but wondering what peoples thoughts are on this (and am I playing greenside rough wrong)

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Although I don't play Vokey wedges, I got extensive demo day time with Vokey wedges twice, pre-pandemic.

 

The F-grind SWs, 54/14 and 56/14 are high bounce but have a modest size sole flange. In my Callaway MD series wedges, I had to put away the MD3 W-grind SW in favor of an MD4 S-grind with a smaller flange. High-bounce W-grind just hung up too much in heavy sand.

 

At the Vokey demos, the 54 and 56 F grinds - most popular SWs on tour in recent years - worked well from sand, fluffy greenside rough and not too bad from hardpan if you keep clubhead moving. (I don't play Vokey because the 3/4 and full shots just feel strange to me.)

 

As for a LW...

1 hour ago, metaldog said:

Currently using vokey 46/50/54 10/12/14 bounce f grinds, also using a 58 low bounce k,

 Let's do a double-check here. Vokey touts the K grind as very forgiving, but hardly low bounce...

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The K Grind is great for a mid to high handicap golfer but plenty of pros play the K grind like Justin Thomas, Adam Scott and Webb Simpson to name a few. Available with 58 or 60 degrees of loft with 14 degrees of bounce.

 

 

image.png.9944b860149935114160ab9035203fba.pngIf you keep K-grind LW, you will have four high-bounce wedges - great if you mainly do square-face shots. It you wanted a little variety, you might consider the M-grind: decent heel and toe relief so you can open the face and still keep leading edge low.

 

I play the Callaway 58/8 C-grind, which has similar relief to Vokey M-grind. (If I ever switched to Vokey, it would be F-grinds plus the M-grind in LW.)

 

One note on opening the face: if the rough is shaggy/irregular, you might do better hitting the SW greenside; the lower loft would get more clubface on the ball, and lessen chance of scooping the clubface under the ball and getting a one-foot whiff shot.

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1 hour ago, metaldog said:

Does this make sense as a amateur golfer that likes to buy way too much nonsense? Currently using vokey 46/50/54 10/12/14 bounce f grinds, also using a 58 low bounce k, but wondering given where I live (taiwan constantly wet and humid) is there ever a need for something thinner soled like a L or T grind? I occasionally find myself greenside in some rough where I really wish I can open up the club, but wondering what peoples thoughts are on this (and am I playing greenside rough wrong)

I have multiple lob wedges, but I honestly don't swap them. It's more of the fact they have no resale value - so when I replace wedges they end up just hanging around. I like the M grind just because it plays well in multiple turf conditions. 

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I want to love the K grind but can't. I just don't find it versatile enough. 

 

I deal with soft conditions half the year where I am and the T or L would terrify me. I'd be throwing beaver pellets.

 

High bounce D for me all day. Plenty of relief just like the M grind but with more effective bounce for those sloppy spring rounds. 

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I prefer to use a lower bounce lob wedge out if rough around the greens. It just cuts through the grass better which makes it more versatile IMO. 
 

Also better for wet sand.

 

 

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T grind is awesome. I play in Az dry and firm conditions. Can lay it wide open. And more forgiving than I expected on square pitch shots. Highly recommend. 

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On soft wet turf, I wouldn't game it personally. For me, if not a Eye or ES grind from PING, I don't use bounce under 10.

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9 hours ago, ChipNRun said:

 

As for a LW...

 Let's do a double-check here. Vokey touts the K grind as very forgiving, but hardly low bounce...

 

image.png.9944b860149935114160ab9035203fba.pngIf you keep K-grind LW, you will have four high-bounce wedges - great if you mainly do square-face shots. It you wanted a little variety, you might consider the M-grind: decent heel and toe relief so you can open the face and still keep leading edge low.

 

I play the Callaway 58/8 C-grind, which has similar relief to Vokey M-grind. (If I ever switched to Vokey, it would be F-grinds plus the M-grind in LW.)

 

One note on opening the face: if the rough is shaggy/irregular, you might do better hitting the SW greenside; the lower loft would get more clubface on the ball, and lessen chance of scooping the clubface under the ball and getting a one-foot whiff shot.

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Side note on Taiwan: I visited there on Marine holiday trip in 1973, and played a public course along the harbor cliffs. I pushed a tee shot into the trees, and it ended up inside a small stone hut. Turned out the hut was a coastal-defense gun emplacement for use in defending against Red Chinese invasion. (Local rule: free drop from gun emplacements)

Vokey wedgeworks has a special 6 bounce wide soled K grind, but as an addition i'm trying to figure out if I want a M grind or L grind, i used to own a M grind but that was years ago as a double digit handicapper and I didn't play it well, I wonder how it works for me now

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Hey metaldog, I've played a bunch of tournaments in Taiwan and found a K grind works pretty good in the softer conditions for me. The current 14° bounce option is at the max I think. I've got mine at 11° and also a 6° K grind which I would definitely not recommend in soft conditions. In fact I'm pretty much over that 6°.

K grind requires a squarer clubface at address to work best, Ive found opening it up any more than 1/2" and it doesn't work as well. It doesn't have the heel relief. Still its my favourite grind pretty much right thru Asia.

I think the S grind is the most versatile if you want to open it up for cut shots. It's got a little heel relief which helps as well.

Without seeing you play I would feel with the 14° in your 54 you've got heavy rough and soft sand covered and the 58 or 60 S grind with 10° of bounce will give you the flexibility for just about any course on the planet.

Be particular with your lie angles.

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