Ryder/President Cup Idea

[callawayjay]

Hear me out…..with pro golf in disarray, what if the loser of the Ryder cup had to play in the presidents cup the next year? Like a relegation. 
 

so for arguments sake, it was europe this past year. They play the international squad for the right to play against the United States NEXT year in the 2023 Ryder Cup? Everyone gets involved. Fans win. 
 

and sponsor it so the players who feel they need compensation get compensated. 
 

times are changing. Am I stupid?

[woodriff]

I’ll see your motion. Here’s the thing. The Internationals team comprises of players from other countries excluding the EU. 
I know your thoughts are to make this slaughter more watchable but if you take the losing Ryder Cup team for Europe it’s just another Ryder Cup. 
I don’t know how to make it more interesting other than to increase the player pool somehow for the Internationals. The stars for the Internationals went to the other league. This was an undetermined factor at the beginning of the year. 
The Presidents Cup is a wash this year because of all the player movement. Perhaps better next year. 

Edited September 23, 2022 by woodriff

[Wham49]

7 minutes ago, callawayjay said:

Hear me out…..with pro golf in disarray, what if the loser of the Ryder cup had to play in the presidents cup the next year? Like a relegation. 
 

so for arguments sake, it was europe this past year. They play the international squad for the right to play against the United States NEXT year in the 2023 Ryder Cup? Everyone gets involved. Fans win. 
 

and sponsor it so the players who feel they need compensation get compensated. 
 

times are changing. Am I stupid?

Chamblee I think proposed this yesterday or the day before, only the winners play. I love the idea of the losers but it would always stay the same format as the USA cant beat the Europeans

Edited September 23, 2022 by Wham49

[callawayjay]

The us just did tho…

[Wham49]

7 minutes ago, callawayjay said:

The us just did tho

yes I know

 

but my guess is they are done for a while, not sure why they are world beaters literally when it comes to the Pres cup, but look not too good usually in the Ryder, they still should be favored by ranking, but justcan't cime through. It is the same format almost exactly yes, except for their competition

[Abh159]

24 minutes ago, callawayjay said:

Hear me out…..with pro golf in disarray, what if the loser of the Ryder cup had to play in the presidents cup the next year? Like a relegation. 
 

so for arguments sake, it was europe this past year. They play the international squad for the right to play against the United States NEXT year in the 2023 Ryder Cup? Everyone gets involved. Fans win. 
 

and sponsor it so the players who feel they need compensation get compensated. 
 

times are changing. Am I stupid?

 

So how exactly would this plan work when it comes to site selection? You have to select sites years (or decades) in advance. What happens if the Ryder Cup is to be played at The Belfry, but the European side isn't even competing in it?

 

If the concern is that people don't watch or don't care about the President's Cup, I can only imagine how much less they would care about it if it was Europe VS International.

 

 

[mat562]

17 hours ago, woodriff said:

The Internationals team comprises of players from other countries excluding the EU. 

 

If only it did.

 

They'd be fielding McIlroy, Hovland, Fitzpatrick, Hatton and Fleetwood this week. And we'd have a game on.

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by mat562

[callawayjay]

16 minutes ago, Abh159 said:

 

So how exactly would this plan work when it comes to site selection? You have to select sites years (or decades) in advance. What happens if the Ryder Cup is to be played at The Belfry, but the European side isn't even competing in it?

 

If the concern is that people don't watch or don't care about the President's Cup, I can only imagine how much less they would care about it if it was Europe VS International.

 

 

You obviously change the site. It took no time for the pga to pull out of Doral…have it based upon the host team being present. If they are not you move it. 

[TwistedSister]

2 hours ago, Wham49 said:

Chamblee I think proposed this yesterday or the day before, only the winners play. I love the idea of the losers but it would always stay the same format as the USA cant beat the Europeans

If Chamblee proposes anything it won't be good!

[Kmagnuss]

Make it LIV tour vs PGA tour.  That will get some views.

[Dill Pickleson]

What is the point of the presidents cup anyway, is it just to give players outside of Europe/USA a chance to play in a Ryder Cup style event.

[LeoLeo99]

9 minutes ago, Kmagnuss said:

Make it LIV tour vs PGA tour.  That will get some views.

That would serve to legitimize the LIV tour and the PGATour won't have that.  But it would be fun.  

[doc52]

LIV vs. PGA, if team LIV wins they get to play in PGA events for that year. 

[jdl]

4 hours ago, callawayjay said:

Hear me out…..with pro golf in disarray, what if the loser of the Ryder cup had to play in the presidents cup the next year? Like a relegation. 
 

so for arguments sake, it was europe this past year. They play the international squad for the right to play against the United States NEXT year in the 2023 Ryder Cup? Everyone gets involved. Fans win. 
 

and sponsor it so the players who feel they need compensation get compensated. 
 

times are changing. Am I stupid?

[Ferguson]

Please don't refer to it as winning or losing. 

 

We should be saying "higher point count" or "lower point count."

 

 

[MtlJeff]

2 hours ago, Dill Pickleson said:

What is the point of the presidents cup anyway, is it just to give players outside of Europe/USA a chance to play in a Ryder Cup style event.

 

I don't know if you're kidding lol....but yes i believe that is pretty much why it exists

 

I doubt it's because of the cultural bond and team-like pride between Canada, Argentina and South Korea etc

 

Probably why we suck

[TwistedSister]

3 hours ago, Kmagnuss said:

Make it LIV tour vs PGA tour.  That will get some views.

Will never happen!

[Cali_Stinger77]

3 hours ago, Dill Pickleson said:

What is the point of the presidents cup anyway, is it just to give players outside of Europe/USA a chance to play in a Ryder Cup style event.

Finchem wanted saw how much money the Ryder Cup generated for the PGA Of America and wanted to do something similar.

[NJBigFish22]

You could get rid of both as far as I’m concerned. 

[sfiggins]

6 hours ago, Dill Pickleson said:

What is the point of the presidents cup anyway, is it just to give players outside of Europe/USA a chance to play in a Ryder Cup style event.

 
The point is $$$ for the PGAT.

[iBanesto]

I'm for a mixed team Presidents Cup format.

 

- Jin Young Ko 🇰🇷

- Minjee Lee 🇦🇺

- Lydia Ko 🇳🇿

- Atthaya Thitikul 🇹🇭

- Brooke Henderson 🇨🇦

- In Gee Chun 🇰🇷

 

That is some international team.

[NormanFan]

10 minutes ago, iBanesto said:

I'm for a mixed team Presidents Cup format.

 

- Jin Young Ko 🇰🇷

- Minjee Lee 🇦🇺

- Lydia Ko 🇳🇿

- Atthaya Thitikul 🇹🇭

- Brooke Henderson 🇨🇦

- In Gee Chun 🇰🇷

 

That is some international team.

 

The President's Cup is such a dead end idea I'd be all for an idea like this to see how it went.

[iBanesto]

10 minutes ago, NormanFan said:

 

The President's Cup is such a dead end idea I'd be all for an idea like this to see how it went.

 

Exactly. It is so lopsided.

 

The US team are 11-1-1 in 13 matches. Soon to be 12-1-1.

 

Jack Nicklaus was one of the driving force to allow European players to compete in the Ryder Cup which helped it maintain it relevance in golf. This the a similar scenario for the Presidents Cup which needs a significant change, otherwise it will continue to lose its relevance.

 

There is no harm in increasing awareness of women's golf and we know these top women players can play at a high level.

 

 

[NormanFan]

2 minutes ago, iBanesto said:

 

Exactly. It is so lopsided.

 

The US team are 11-1-1 in 13 matches. Soon to be 12-1-1.

 

Jack Nicklaus was one of the driving force to allow European players to compete in the Ryder Cup which helped it maintain it relevance in golf. This the a similar scenario for the Presidents Cup which needs a significant change, otherwise it will continue to lose its relevance.

 

There is no harm in increasing awareness of women's golf and we know these top women players can play at a high level.

 

 

 

And IIRC the LPGA doesn't have a team competition for USA vs. International so this would be an easy way to do it and not overshadow the Solheim Cup.

[iBanesto]

5 minutes ago, NormanFan said:

 

And IIRC the LPGA doesn't have a team competition for USA vs. International so this would be an easy way to do it and not overshadow the Solheim Cup.

 

Agreed.

 

The US women players will also benefit from this format change.

 

- N. Korda 🇺🇸

- Thompson 🇺🇸

- Kupcho 🇺🇸

- J. Korda 🇺🇸

- Kang 🇺🇸

- Khang 🇺🇸

 

Looking at the top 6 US players at the moment, it appears it would even out the strengths of the US and International teams, if they chose the top 6 male players respectively. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by iBanesto

[TexasTurf]

The thing about adding the women is, that it is a made for TV / advertisers event. They are the ones deciding, not the tours.

[Dill Pickleson]

The more I think about this the more I think it's completely pointless, why is a guy from Colombia supposed to have camaraderie with a guy from South Africa.

[mat562]

1 hour ago, Dill Pickleson said:

The more I think about this the more I think it's completely pointless, why is a guy from Colombia supposed to have camaraderie with a guy from South Africa.

 

Ryder Cup though.

 

England and Scotland. England and Ireland. France and England. Germany and England. Spain and England (technically, Gibraltar). Northern Ireland - at least a big chunk of it - and England. Sweden are now a pariah. Italy will be soon...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by mat562

[Dill Pickleson]

11 minutes ago, mat562 said:

 

Ryder Cup though.

 

England and Scotland. England and Ireland. France and England. Germany and England. Spain and England (technically, Gibraltar). Northern Ireland - at least a big chunk of it - and England. Sweden are now a pariah. Italy will be soon...

 

 

 

 

 

I completely understand your point, but at least that's the same continent, the President's cup international team's countries have no relevance.

[J_Tizzle]

I'm very pro the idea of the mixed format, I think the women's international would be like 6 of the top 8 in the rankings...  thats pretty stacked right there.