Callaway Woods and Drivers 2023?

[ShortSticks]

2 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

 

Jailbreak hasn't gone anywhere.  Are you referring to the dots on the sole that have been there in previous generations?  Those dots never actually were the jailbreak feature and were cosmetic, especially after they moved to the jailbreak frame instead of the bars.

So your saying the jailbreak is like in the rogue fairways where it is in the sides of the frame AKA "batwing" technology.

[03trdblack]

3 minutes ago, ShortSticks said:

So your saying the jailbreak is like in the rogue fairways where it is in the sides of the frame AKA "batwing" technology.

 

No I just mean the dots on the sole of the driver were never the actual Jailbreak Frame.  They were cosmetic and the jailbreak frame was built internally only.  They just removed the dots on the sole for this year's models.

 

See the cut open Epic Speed driver as an example.  You'll notice the cosmetic dots on the sole are actually behind the frame.

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2022 by 03trdblack

[radiman]

10 minutes ago, WristySwing said:

 

Interesting that it looks like they went back to the CG cartridge they released in the Big Bertha Alpha 2014 and the following 2-3 releases before Epic in the TD head with the CG change.  I could be wrong and perhaps the CG cartridge is on the back but it looks like it is on the sole again.  I like that Kai'li white is being offered, its a slick shaft that feels great.  Not sure what that HZRDUS Silver is.  Jeez, PX has so many wood lines it is impossible to keep track of with Evenflow, HZRDUS 4G, Smoke RDX, VRTX, etc.  Sheesh.

Are you referring to the gravity core from the 815 and 816 line?  I don't think those are making a comeback here.  Just weight screws I believe.  

[Unleadedhuy]

3 hours ago, radiman said:

Are you referring to the gravity core from the 815 and 816 line?  I don't think those are making a comeback here.  Just weight screws I believe.  

Correct, no weight cartridges 

[Mike412]

Pretty underwhelmed so far tbh after all the hype. Serious question, why doesn’t the manufacturer just release their photos and pitches up front. Put an availability date on the press releases and move on. They know this stuff is going to get leaked early. Why not control the narrative and be upfront? I know all the manufacturers do it, I just don’t understand why.

Edited December 6, 2022 by JCitW6855

[Avidswampthing66]

10 hours ago, ShortSticks said:

No Jailbreak? Hmmmmmm

The jailbreak has been updated for the new driver.  Same idea but totally different look under the hood.  Looks like a snake tongue!   

[Avidswampthing66]

35 minutes ago, JCitW6855 said:

Pretty underwhelmed so far tbh after all the hype. Serious question, why doesn’t the manufacturer just release their photos and pitches up front. Put an availability date on the press releases and move on. They know this stuff is going to get leaked early. Why not control the narrative and be upfront? I know all the manufacturers do it, I just don’t understand why.

Hold out for a real look at the driver, which will be coming soon. Not this faded crummy pic of a page from the 2023 Callaway lineup catalog.  

[Mike412]

29 minutes ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Hold out for a real look at the driver, which will be coming soon. Not this faded crummy pic of a page from the 2023 Callaway lineup catalog.  

Which is my point exactly. Why would Callaway not want to drive the perception? I’ve been holding out on the TSR just to see this one. I’m not asking you directly it’s just something I’ve been wondering for a while with these manufacturers. Why not put it out there and let people get excited about it. From what I can see it’s a Rogue with blue on it. I don’t know any different because Callaway won’t tell us…..

[iNeedMoreGolf]

5 hours ago, JCitW6855 said:

Which is my point exactly. Why would Callaway not want to drive the perception? I’ve been holding out on the TSR just to see this one. I’m not asking you directly it’s just something I’ve been wondering for a while with these manufacturers. Why not put it out there and let people get excited about it. From what I can see it’s a Rogue with blue on it. I don’t know any different because Callaway won’t tell us…..

Buy the tsr

[BCC1898]

Driver looks nice, but more dissapointed that they seperated this release from the Apex line.  Lame choice.

[tbowles411]

Well, I don't hate it.

[radiman]

10 hours ago, JCitW6855 said:

Which is my point exactly. Why would Callaway not want to drive the perception? I’ve been holding out on the TSR just to see this one. I’m not asking you directly it’s just something I’ve been wondering for a while with these manufacturers. Why not put it out there and let people get excited about it. From what I can see it’s a Rogue with blue on it. I don’t know any different because Callaway won’t tell us…..

They have spent countless hours across multiple departments coordinating a product launch/reveal.  Can't expect them to just toss that all out the window because someone leaked a grainy picture of their online product catalog. 

[Ryan D]

Just got fit for the new driver as I'm on staff with Callaway as a pro.  I'm not sure I'm allowed to say what it is yet but It is awesome. Different look and color which some may not like.  I actually think it looks pretty good.  I used my LA Golf shaft in the Triple Black Diamond head and reduced my spin from 3400 to 2300. Much more forgiving than the Rogue ST Triple Black Diamond head. 

[Mike412]

1 hour ago, radiman said:

They have spent countless hours across multiple departments coordinating a product launch/reveal.  Can't expect them to just toss that all out the window because someone leaked a grainy picture of their online product catalog. 

 

I’m not saying they should just toss it out the window. You completely missed my point. Obviously it’s too late to change anything now in this release cycle. My question is why not plan it differently? Why not plan to start releasing marketing information to coincide with when you start presenting to dealers, fitters, influencers, etc.. If I’m releasing a product I would want to make sure I controlled the narrative and perception as opposed to some random leak on the internet that is inevitable in the times we live in. I’m sure it made sense pre social media but now I’m genuinely curious why companies still work this way.

 

It’s not just Callaway, all the companies do it so I’m not chastising just Callaway here it just doesn’t make sense to me for any of the companies.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

15 minutes ago, JCitW6855 said:

 

I’m not saying they should just toss it out the window. You completely missed my point. Obviously it’s too late to change anything now in this release cycle. My question is why not plan it differently? Why not plan to start releasing marketing information to coincide with when you start presenting to dealers, fitters, influencers, etc.. If I’m releasing a product I would want to make sure I controlled the narrative and perception as opposed to some random leak on the internet that is inevitable in the times we live in. I’m sure it made sense pre social media but now I’m genuinely curious why companies still work this way.

 

It’s not just Callaway, all the companies do it so I’m not chastising just Callaway here it just doesn’t make sense to me for any of the companies.

Golf OEM's are notorious copycats.  Once one company takes the step to to do that, they will all follow suit immediately.  It's just whch one is gong to be the first ?

Edited December 6, 2022 by Carolina Golfer 2

[radiman]

31 minutes ago, JCitW6855 said:

 

I’m not saying they should just toss it out the window. You completely missed my point. Obviously it’s too late to change anything now in this release cycle. My question is why not plan it differently? Why not plan to start releasing marketing information to coincide with when you start presenting to dealers, fitters, influencers, etc.. If I’m releasing a product I would want to make sure I controlled the narrative and perception as opposed to some random leak on the internet that is inevitable in the times we live in. I’m sure it made sense pre social media but now I’m genuinely curious why companies still work this way.

 

It’s not just Callaway, all the companies do it so I’m not chastising just Callaway here it just doesn’t make sense to me for any of the companies.

Oh, I see what you're saying.  Basically, do the reveal a month or more earlier than they do now.  I can see that.  But, on that note, you would have people that basically say "why not just release them now" haha.  I get it.  But, I think there are a lot of moving pieces too.  Old inventory to move or return.  Maybe would kill any November-December sales.  I don't know I guess.  

[PowerCobra98]

13 hours ago, JCitW6855 said:

Which is my point exactly. Why would Callaway not want to drive the perception? I’ve been holding out on the TSR just to see this one. I’m not asking you directly it’s just something I’ve been wondering for a while with these manufacturers. Why not put it out there and let people get excited about it. From what I can see it’s a Rogue with blue on it. I don’t know any different because Callaway won’t tell us…..

 

No matter how the new Callaway looks it will not look better than a TSR of any model.  That's just facts.  

[Mike412]

47 minutes ago, radiman said:

Oh, I see what you're saying.  Basically, do the reveal a month or more earlier than they do now.  I can see that.  But, on that note, you would have people that basically say "why not just release them now" haha.  I get it.  But, I think there are a lot of moving pieces too.  Old inventory to move or return.  Maybe would kill any November-December sales.  I don't know I guess.  

Exactly……I’m sure people would say that, but that isn’t as much of an issue from the companies perspective imo. The issue is letting random people on the internet set the perception and narrative of products and then the company playing catch-up.

Edited December 6, 2022 by JCitW6855

[radiman]

Just now, JCitW6855 said:

Exactly. I’m sure people would say that, but that isn’t as much of an issue from the companies perspective imo. The issue is letting random people on the internet set the perception and narrative of products and then the company playing catch-up.

I think part of it comes down to how small of their consumer base people like us truly are.  The vast majority of buyers aren't clamoring to see leaked pictures of the new clubs.  There will always be club junkies like us here on wrx.  But, in the grand scheme of things, we are but a drop in a very large bucket. 

[Mike412]

3 minutes ago, radiman said:

I think part of it comes down to how small of their consumer base people like us truly are.  The vast majority of buyers aren't clamoring to see leaked pictures of the new clubs.  There will always be club junkies like us here on wrx.  But, in the grand scheme of things, we are but a drop in a very large bucket. 

That’s a very good point…..now, back to the leaks! Lol

Edited December 6, 2022 by JCitW6855

[mikehill06]

2 hours ago, JCitW6855 said:

 

I’m not saying they should just toss it out the window. You completely missed my point. Obviously it’s too late to change anything now in this release cycle. My question is why not plan it differently? Why not plan to start releasing marketing information to coincide with when you start presenting to dealers, fitters, influencers, etc.. If I’m releasing a product I would want to make sure I controlled the narrative and perception as opposed to some random leak on the internet that is inevitable in the times we live in. I’m sure it made sense pre social media but now I’m genuinely curious why companies still work this way.

 

It’s not just Callaway, all the companies do it so I’m not chastising just Callaway here it just doesn’t make sense to me for any of the companies.

 

A possible reason for avoiding this type of marketing and information release is that their retail partners all have the current product line on store shelves.  Those retailer partners are trying to sell product for the holidays and clear out inventory.  If they released all of the intel on the new line coming in the spring, it could negatively impact their retail partners by either forcing a discount during a high volume period or cause potential buyers hold off until Spring - and all of us in sales know that "time is the killer of all deals". 

 

 

[getitdaily]

3 hours ago, Ryan D said:

Just got fit for the new driver as I'm on staff with Callaway as a pro.  I'm not sure I'm allowed to say what it is yet but It is awesome. Different look and color which some may not like.  I actually think it looks pretty good.  I used my LA Golf shaft in the Triple Black Diamond head and reduced my spin from 3400 to 2300. Much more forgiving than the Rogue ST Triple Black Diamond head. 

Only 1 other person called it the triple black diamond....Peter finch.

 

Everyone else knows it as the Triple Diamond. 

 

So Mr finch, what's up? And how's your brother miles? Is he still mad at buddy?

[Mike412]

1 hour ago, mikehill06 said:

 

A possible reason for avoiding this type of marketing and information release is that their retail partners all have the current product line on store shelves.  Those retailer partners are trying to sell product for the holidays and clear out inventory.  If they released all of the intel on the new line coming in the spring, it could negatively impact their retail partners by either forcing a discount during a high volume period or cause potential buyers hold off until Spring - and all of us in sales know that "time is the killer of all deals". 

 

 

Thank you, that’s a good point. It makes a lot of sense from a sales perspective but not exactly good for the consumer laying out the cash lol. But that’s true with most things I guess.

[Davethegolfer]

6 hours ago, Ryan D said:

Just got fit for the new driver as I'm on staff with Callaway as a pro.  I'm not sure I'm allowed to say what it is yet but It is awesome. Different look and color which some may not like.  I actually think it looks pretty good.  I used my LA Golf shaft in the Triple Black Diamond head and reduced my spin from 3400 to 2300. Much more forgiving than the Rogue ST Triple Black Diamond head. 

You are on staff as a pro with Callaway and your existing set up is at 3400 spin!!!

[Dan Drake]

6 hours ago, Ryan D said:

Just got fit for the new driver as I'm on staff with Callaway as a pro.  I'm not sure I'm allowed to say what it is yet but It is awesome. Different look and color which some may not like.  I actually think it looks pretty good.  I used my LA Golf shaft in the Triple Black Diamond head and reduced my spin from 3400 to 2300. Much more forgiving than the Rogue ST Triple Black Diamond head. 

Also just did my fitting today.  I'm pretty darn easy to please when it comes to looks, and this driver is plenty pleasing to my eye.  As for the performance, I'm working on learning to play a fade off the tee, and when hitting that shape the new head had me over 1k rpm lower, just like you.  

 

Yeah, I just picked up, um, more than a few yards, lol......

[getitdaily]

37 minutes ago, Dan Drake said:

Also just did my fitting today.  I'm pretty darn easy to please when it comes to looks, and this driver is plenty pleasing to my eye.  As for the performance, I'm working on learning to play a fade off the tee, and when hitting that shape the new head had me over 1k rpm lower, just like you.  

 

Yeah, I just picked up, um, more than a few yards, lol......

So it's callaway's "loft up" year?  Callaway finally hitting TM 2012 levels huh?

 

 

*snicker*

[SwingBlues]

4 hours ago, mikehill06 said:

 

A possible reason for avoiding this type of marketing and information release is that their retail partners all have the current product line on store shelves.  Those retailer partners are trying to sell product for the holidays and clear out inventory.  If they released all of the intel on the new line coming in the spring, it could negatively impact their retail partners by either forcing a discount during a high volume period or cause potential buyers hold off until Spring - and all of us in sales know that "time is the killer of all deals". 

 

 

...but those who patiently hang around BST know that "time is the best killer deals" 😁

[martymcfly]

2 hours ago, Dan Drake said:

Also just did my fitting today.  I'm pretty darn easy to please when it comes to looks, and this driver is plenty pleasing to my eye.  As for the performance, I'm working on learning to play a fade off the tee, and when hitting that shape the new head had me over 1k rpm lower, just like you.  

 

Yeah, I just picked up, um, more than a few yards, lol......

a pro with 3400 rpm of spin? hmm

[EaglesGolf99]

2 hours ago, Davethegolfer said:

You are on staff as a pro with Callaway and your existing set up is at 3400 spin!!!

 

2 minutes ago, martymcfly said:

a pro with 3400 rpm of spin? hmm

I mean, I'm not on Staff with Callaway, I chose to play their gear, my current setup has 3000-3200 RPM of Spin.... I Launch at 10.0°.... I carry 295-300 regularly.

 

..... I'm perfectly fine with my 3000-3200 Number. 

[martymcfly]

4 minutes ago, EaglesGolf99 said:

 

I mean, I'm not on Staff with Callaway, I chose to play their gear, my current setup has 3000-3200 RPM of Spin.... I Launch at 10.0°.... I carry 295-300 regularly.

 

..... I'm perfectly fine with my 3000-3200 Number. 

im sure you are. many people lay there about. Diffrence is, a pro wouldnt...