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11 minutes ago, JetPilot said:

I've found a 90 degree wrist set at left arm parallel to be one of those factors that produces "easy" distance.  

An argument can be made that delaying the wrist set will encourage a wider backswing , which has been associated with more clubhead speed going down  . Bryson and Jack seem to reinforce that idea . Dustin and Tony Finau who both have sufficient width going back  and plenty of clubhead speed going down  set their wrists earlier .

Setting the  wrists to 90 degrees by the time the lead arm is parallel is another of those concepts which is neither right nor wrong and is dependent on the individual . 

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53 minutes ago, Z1ggy16 said:

I get that line of thinking but that's also the same reasoning people probably used to drink bleach to get rid of covid. 

 

The end of day... I think the answer to my question of "does the wrist set matter" is yes it does, but the exact degree probably doesn't, just that you have between x and y amount, unless you're a total outlier (which I don't think I am, my swing is relatively conventional).


You like authority?

 

Listen to your coach.

 

Looks like you get to where you get at the top because your arms break down.

 

Swing with your body, let your arms do what they will.

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1 hour ago, Z1ggy16 said:

I get that line of thinking but that's also the same reasoning people probably used to drink bleach to get rid of covid. 

 

The end of day... I think the answer to my question of "does the wrist set matter" is yes it does, but the exact degree probably doesn't, just that you have between x and y amount, unless you're a total outlier (which I don't think I am, my swing is relatively conventional).

Somehow, I must've not posted my response to this. Anyway, I was thinking about Faldo's swing changes in the 80s and came across this preset drill. If you're really struggling with setting your wrists after you've started your backswing, maybe presetting is worth a try.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Fuscinator said:

A routine x-ray finds a little tiny nodule on the patient's lung. Even though a PET Scan turns out negative, the first specialist wants to do a biopsy on a nodule that may be too small for such a procedure. The specialist insists this is most likely cancer and the nodule should be removed as soon as possible.

A second specialist thinks the nodule is too small for a biopsy and doesn't want to risk unnecessary surgery. Instead, he recommends close monitoring. If a notable change occurs, then surgery may be required.

In my analogy, both are authorities, but they have very differing opinions about what should be done. How do you decide which authority to obey? 

I get what you’re saying. However in my analogy it was a given that there was no question if the patient had cancer. So, there is no judgment call. Just a fairly standard treatment algorithm.  In other words, there’s not much nuance to the decision. Whereas in this scenario you mentioned there is nuance. When I send a patient for a preop chest x-ray and they find a small nodule like that I tell the patient the same thing, which is let’s not go overboard, let’s talk to your PCP and just watch it and see if it progresses over the next six months to a year. If it does, then more aggressive diagnostic testing could be performed.
I think this whole opinion about the backswing not mattering is totally wrong. I don’t think there is any nuance to that. I think that the better backswing you can make, the easier it is to transition and make a good downswing. Especially when we’re doing with higher handicap golfers with less skill level. I think making it as easy for them as possible is a good idea. I think that’s the crux of what Monte is saying. It will be way easier for the majority of golfers to get to impact that have a backswing like for instance Justin Rose than someone like Matt Wolf. Again, I understand what you mean about impact is all that matters. And if you’re someone with a tour player like hand eye coordination and skill set that’s probably OK. However, for the average member on this forum, its probably not a good idea.

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1 hour ago, Fuscinator said:

Somehow, I must've not posted my response to this. Anyway, I was thinking about Faldo's swing changes in the 80s and came across this preset drill. If you're really struggling with setting your wrists after you've started your backswing, maybe presetting is worth a try.

 

 

I'll give it a look thanks. I started this entire thread bc my actual coach, who is a McLean student himself, said I needed more set, and to get to a closer to 90* by p3 as I can. I've been struggling to ingrain it, so naturally Im wondering how much it really matters since I play decent enough. Of course, I'm looking to become better and I think getting more angle sooner and syncing my chests and arms will help. 

 

Edit: Monte has a drill just like this, except if I remember, he does wrist movement in two parts. Not sure what it's called, something like the lift, twist and turn. Address ball, lift club head up with radial deviation, then add the flexion so you get into the fully set position... Then go to top, etc. 

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58 minutes ago, Fuscinator said:

Somehow, I must've not posted my response to this. Anyway, I was thinking about Faldo's swing changes in the 80s and came across this preset drill. If you're really struggling with setting your wrists after you've started your backswing, maybe presetting is worth a try.

 

 

The Faldo “ preset drill does considerably more than just setting  the wrists 

It pre cocks the wrists , it pre pronates the lead forearm thus preshallowing  the shaft

and pre extends the trail wrist.

Just make an on plane shoulder turn and you have made an on plane backswing without the need to rotating your forearms and without the need  for further “ motorcycle moves 

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4 hours ago, ALIF said:

I get what you’re saying. However in my analogy it was a given that there was no question if the patient had cancer. So, there is no judgment call. Just a fairly standard treatment algorithm.  In other words, there’s not much nuance to the decision. Whereas in this scenario you mentioned there is nuance. When I send a patient for a preop chest x-ray and they find a small nodule like that I tell the patient the same thing, which is let’s not go overboard, let’s talk to your PCP and just watch it and see if it progresses over the next six months to a year. If it does, then more aggressive diagnostic testing could be performed.
I think this whole opinion about the backswing not mattering is totally wrong. I don’t think there is any nuance to that. I think that the better backswing you can make, the easier it is to transition and make a good downswing. Especially when we’re doing with higher handicap golfers with less skill level. I think making it as easy for them as possible is a good idea. I think that’s the crux of what Monte is saying. It will be way easier for the majority of golfers to get to impact that have a backswing like for instance Justin Rose than someone like Matt Wolf. Again, I understand what you mean about impact is all that matters. And if you’re someone with a tour player like hand eye coordination and skill set that’s probably OK. However, for the average member on this forum, its probably not a good idea.

My point about the two specialists is that they of equal authority, rendering authority moot. Let's talk about golf authorities to make it clearer. When people argue with Monte, they are probably not coming from a view they got from some homeopathy guy. They are more likely coming from a view adopted from another golf authority on the internet. If it's someone like Mike Malaska, then the authority of both is nullified and you have to go by which one makes the most sense to you. If you're somewhat adrift, as most are, both make sense sometimes, while other times, they may appear not to. At that point, some "yes but"-ism will occur.

 

As far as impact is concerned, to me, it's by far the most important element. There are a lot of ways to swing the club. If you want to do something more common, like Justin Rose, or if you're superstitious and want to do some ritual to ward off evil spirits, like Matthew Wolff, either way, you still have to apply the club correctly to the ball. I'm dismayed by the number of golf videos I've watched in which the presenter talks about everything but impact. 

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