KBS Tour Lite vs Nippon Modus 105

[mitchdoc]

15 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Likely more than 83+. What’s your typical carry? Im at 85mph 7 iron based on my fitting, about 153 carry. Didn’t have the greatest strikes so probably could go a few yards further. But i don’t get up to 120 ballspeed ever though with a 7 iron.

Only had about 1 out of 10 at 120+.

Most were around 117-118

[Tzoid]

I just transitioned from Modus Tour 120 to the Modus 105 and they are very smooth and the lighter weight has helped swing speed and launch on 

mid-long irons.  Game changer so far for me. 

[Carolina Golfer 2]

15 minutes ago, mitchdoc said:

Unfortunately I am not within a 8 hour drive of a pxg fitter.

I ahve always done well with 115 gram shafts but think it's time for lighter. I really enjoyed hitting the KBS tour lite in a jpx forged head of same loft as the pxg I ordered. Saw 18 to 20* launch. Spin was no less than modus 120 and maybe few hundred more.

Dispersion into screen seemed good but who knows with a simulator. Am leaning that way. Don't have agressive swing. I tend to be low spin.

Do you think it will be too soft?

Yeah. I totially get it.  I don’t think they will be too soft for you. KBS are very stable.  
 

And I wouldn’t have splurged on the SF if I didn’t plan on keeping the PXG a while.  I didn’t go for them in the HOt Metal HL as I know I will likely only keep them until the spring when I may trade them for the 923 Forged and May go SF then.  
 

 

[Pasatiempo]

Lightweight irons shafts.  TXG on YouTube.  Good review includes Modus 105.

[mitchdoc]

29 minutes ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Yeah. I totially get it.  I don’t think they will be too soft for you. KBS are very stable.  
 

And I wouldn’t have splurged on the SF if I didn’t plan on keeping the PXG a while.  I didn’t go for them in the HOt Metal HL as I know I will likely only keep them until the spring when I may trade them for the 923 Forged and May go SF then.  
 

 

Heard good things about steel fiber also heard they play stiff to flex

[sshadow2]

5 hours ago, dlow206 said:

I cannot hit the Modus 105 in any flex. I don’t even understand it but its always 15 yards shorter and poor strikes.

 

I get along with 950gh, dg95, etc., but not at all with Modus 105. Think i would quit golf if my only choice was to play modus 105, i just cant get along with them...

I'm the same...and play the 950ghs now. However, the Modus 105 wedge shafts are great and transition very well from the 950ghs!

 

I find the KBS Tour Lites also to be great! Planning on them for a second iron set.

Edited October 2, 2022 by sshadow2

[dlow206]

1 hour ago, sshadow2 said:

I'm the same...and play the 950ghs now. However, the Modus 105 wedge shafts are great and transition very well from the 950ghs!

 

I find the KBS Tour Lites also to be great! Planning on them for a second iron set.

Modus 105 wedge shafts are great, its just those Modus 105 iron shafts i can't get a long with

[Canyonaro]

11 hours ago, mitchdoc said:

Hope someone can help. I ordered some PXG irons with elevate tour shafts in stiff. They way 117 grams. They supposedly play similar to the lz shafts.

My current irons have project x lz 5.5 at 115 grams.

 

Am 54 years old. 7 irons ss in the low 80s. Carry my 921 HMP about 160-165 total 170.

Thinking maybe it's time to look at lighter shaft. Want something that will be stable but give me a touch more launch and spin than my current setup. I still have time to change my order.

 

The no upcharge options are the KBS Tour lite I think in stiff are 100grams, the elevate 95. Or in graphite the MMT 80.

 

Wondering which one would be most stable while still giving the launch and spin I look for.

 

 

I went from LZ 5.5 to Elevate 95 & couldn't make it work. 20g was just too big of a change for me. Very happy with Modus 105 now. Be careful dropping too much weight at once. I'd try the KBS first. 

[Canyonaro]

7 hours ago, dlow206 said:

I cannot hit the Modus 105 in any flex. I don’t even understand it but its always 15 yards shorter and poor strikes.

 

I get along with 950gh, dg95, etc., but not at all with Modus 105. Think i would quit golf if my only choice was to play modus 105, i just cant get along with them. And its not mental, was given one blind during a fitting and after a few shots, i asked the fitter what the hell he gave me. Modus 105

 

That's so wild. I can't stand DG. Weight was always too much for me. Played Project X 6.0, then LZ 5.5 & now Modus 105. Loved them all at the stage each fit my game. 

 

Elevate 95 & Steelfiber i95 have been my two costly mistakes. Hated both of them. It's no accident - they're closer to the DG profile. Golf is a crazy game. 

[mitchdoc]

43 minutes ago, Canyonaro said:

I went from LZ 5.5 to Elevate 95 & couldn't make it work. 20g was just too big of a change for me. Very happy with Modus 105 now. Be careful dropping too much weight at once. I'd try the KBS first. 

Tried at a golf shop in their simulator but not on the same head.

Trying to overload the shaft but it seems reasonably stable.

Also because I kept hitting it I was in a groove so I seem to be getting used to it fairly easily. Not sure if it would be the same experience on a golf course however. I am leaning on buying it with that shaft. Worse comes to worst they do offer a 60-day return policy and I would only be out the shipping cost.

[Pasatiempo]

Does anyone have any experience with the NS Pro 950 GH Neo?  It’s 98 gm in stiff and has mid/high trajectory per Nippon website.  Sounds comparable to the KBS Tour Lite.  They made the butt end a slightly smaller diameter for feel so not sure how it would work with a midsize grip.

[miles2go]

I currently use the older NSPro 1050GH’s in stiff flex. Nice high consistent ball flight.  7 iron goes about 150 yards. Tried to transition to Modus 105’s a few times but couldn’t get them to work.  True temper 95’s performed well also. Just a little light. Never tried KBS or LZ. 

[dlow206]

17 hours ago, Pasatiempo said:

Does anyone have any experience with the NS Pro 950 GH Neo?  It’s 98 gm in stiff and has mid/high trajectory per Nippon website.  Sounds comparable to the KBS Tour Lite.  They made the butt end a slightly smaller diameter for feel so not sure how it would work with a midsize grip.

 

Yes, played them before, i like them better than the standard 950gh, less stiff in the butt.

 

Don't worry about the impact on a midsize grip, the butt on the Neo is 0.600" which is pretty standard. The original 950gh has a butt bigger than standard. 

[Pasatiempo]

Thank you.  I was able to hit the KBS Lite shaft and liked it.  Good feel and balance.  Stiff seemed suitable for my swing.  I am intrigued by the Nippon 950GH Neo since it’s parent shaft has been so successful, designed to flight the ball higher & manufactured by Nippon so tight tolerances and quality.  I’ve read it’s played on the LPGA tour which means the pros tested and put it in the bag.

[mitchdoc]

My PXG irons arrived yesterday. Tour lite in stiff. First hit will be on Monday as work all weekend.

 

Will give my opinion after.

[dmeeksDC]

On 10/2/2022 at 8:52 PM, Pasatiempo said:

Thank you.  I was able to hit the KBS Lite shaft and liked it.  Good feel and balance.  Stiff seemed suitable for my swing.  I am intrigued by the Nippon 950GH Neo since it’s parent shaft has been so successful, designed to flight the ball higher & manufactured by Nippon so tight tolerances and quality.  I’ve read it’s played on the LPGA tour which means the pros tested and put it in the bag.

KBS shafts are made in a state of the art factory in Taiwan, which has a manufacturing complex that rivals Japans. So the quality will be there either way. The shaft I saw in a number of LPGA players bags is the KBS PGI, slightly softer graphite for those who find the TGI too stiff. 
 

The 950 NEO is a nice shaft but so is the original. They feel slightly different. 
 

It really is about what you like. Weight might be the decider. 

[Ize]

I have played both modus 105s in srixon zx5s and and KBS tour lite X parallels in Maltby KE4 max.

 

Very hard to Compare as there very different set ups but I will say that even in X flex the KBS feel softer and even a little smoother, I never really liked the modus 105 just never really played well with it for whatever reason.

 

Golf shaft reviews also state that the KBS tour lite is just a rebranding of the tour 90 same shaft only the X flex is a different profile screenshot attached.

 

 

[mitchdoc]

2 minutes ago, Ize said:

I have played both modus 105s in srixon zx5s and and KBS tour lite X parallels in Maltby KE4 max.

 

Very hard to Compare as there very different set ups but I will say that even in X flex the KBS feel softer and even a little smoother, I never really liked the modus 105 just never really played well with it for whatever reason.

 

Golf shaft reviews also state that the KBS tour lite is just a rebranding of the tour 90 same shaft only the X flex is a different profile screenshot attached.

 

 

Weird as KBS seems to say it's a new shaft.

[mitchdoc]

Also what about the parallel version

[mitchdoc]

Well couldn't hit the Pxg irons with this shaft worth a darn.

Club felt so light I had no idea where the shaft was.

Return the irons and got myself a set of Mizuno jPX 921 forged please have project x I owe shafts in 5.5 so probably about 10 G heavier and it was night and day better.

Got my low round of the season and tied for a career best 73 today.

[Mr. Grumpy]

23 minutes ago, mitchdoc said:

Well couldn't hit the Pxg irons with this shaft worth a darn.

Club felt so light I had no idea where the shaft was.

Return the irons and got myself a set of Mizuno jPX 921 forged please have project x I owe shafts in 5.5 so probably about 10 G heavier and it was night and day better.

Got my low round of the season and tied for a career best 73 today.

I moved from the 5.5 to the Modus 105 and it took about 2 weeks for me to begin to hit the ball well enough to start to like them.They are smooth but very stable. The weight diff is def something that takes a bit to get used to, but now I am not spent by the end of the round. 

Probably going lighter with some graphite next. It's been about 7 years with the last set, but those years were 50 to 57 so I've gotten a little slower and am always looking for that extra 'inth of comfort..

[Wardman]

I was fitted to the Tour90's, and then bought a new set of P790 with the Tour Lite's.  This season has been a mess.  Lefts and rights with them.  I am scheduled for a fitting in 2 weeks to check out other shafts.  I have a quick temp and 7i  SS of about 82.  I know it's probably the indian, but looking for tigher dispersion.  my home course is not friendly at all when you miss greens.

[mitchdoc]

19 minutes ago, Wardman said:

I was fitted to the Tour90's, and then bought a new set of P790 with the Tour Lite's.  This season has been a mess.  Lefts and rights with them.  I am scheduled for a fitting in 2 weeks to check out other shafts.  I have a quick temp and 7i  SS of about 82.  I know it's probably the indian, but looking for tigher dispersion.  my home course is not friendly at all when you miss greens.

Similar iron speed. Came from project x lz a5.5 at 115 grams and these felt too light had no sense of the club.

 

Went to a different club with project x up 5.5. probably about 10 grams heavier and much better fit

 

 

[gdb99]

On 10/20/2022 at 8:34 PM, mitchdoc said:

Well couldn't hit the Pxg irons with this shaft worth a darn.

Club felt so light I had no idea where the shaft was.

Return the irons and got myself a set of Mizuno jPX 921 forged please have project x I owe shafts in 5.5 so probably about 10 G heavier and it was night and day better.

Got my low round of the season and tied for a career best 73 today.

 

I had a set of PXG irons a couple years ago. Factory swing weight was on the light side, D0.

[Wardman]

Well....  Just ordered i230's with OTi graphite shafts.  Dispersion was everything.  Excited and the P790 experiment is over for me.

[UNDERPLANE]

Can anyone give a comparison between the KBS Tour Lite and the TT MPH 95. Have been playing the Modus 105 S, but looking for a higher launch.

Thanks 

[Pasatiempo]

Can’t comment on the MPH 95.  I paired the KBS Tour Lite with the Srixon ZX7 irons.  Really like the result.  Yes, lighter swing weight like some have said but playing 1/2” over length the balance is good.  Nice high flight and ability to knock it down.  Easy to swing over 18 holes. I only swing about 81 mph with a 7 iron so the lighter weight helps me with some added yards and control.  

[Gerr]

KBS Tour Lite's are heavier in the parallel version.

[JerryBoy]

On 10/1/2022 at 2:36 PM, dlow206 said:

I cannot hit the Modus 105 in any flex. I don’t even understand it but its always 15 yards shorter and poor strikes.

 

I get along with 950gh, dg95, etc., but not at all with Modus 105. Think i would quit golf if my only choice was to play modus 105, i just cant get along with them. And its not mental, was given one blind during a fitting and after a few shots, i asked the fitter what the hell he gave me. Modus 105

I have had a very very similar experience.  PXG rep handed me the modus105 and I could tell something was off, when he told me the shaft I was like ‘ahhh, ya this shaft and I do not mix 😂’.

I have tried to get on with modus 105’s For Years

i do like the modus120’s though, they work with my game.  Don’t know why

[JD3]

I'd imagine Lite S flex is a lot softer than 120S. But what about lite X flex?