Something is cooking at Titleist

[JStang]

I saw that Ryan Barath posted a photo of what looks like a 620 MB that has the muscle completely milled. My guess is that this is for one of their tour players and they have adopted the CNC milling process similar to what TaylorMade used on Tiger's irons to be able to replicate this club to the tightest of tolerances again. Does anyone else have any insight on these?

 

 

[JStang]

After doing some more digging, Jonathan Wall posted this. Looks like they are for JT and they started with the 716 shape, added a tungsten plug in the middle of the club and then milled the finished product. Will be interested to hear more about these. Will Titleist release in limited production for sale? 

 

 

[getitdaily]

6 minutes ago, JStang said:

After doing some more digging, Jonathan Wall posted this. Looks like they are for JT and they started with the 716 shape, added a tungsten plug in the middle of the club and then milled the finished product. Will be interested to hear more about these. Will Titleist release in limited production for sale? 

 

 

They are experimenting with a high(er) moi blade. 

[JStang]

7 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

They are experimenting with a high(er) moi blade. 

 

Basically a 21 Apex MB with the tech hidden. Although, the Tungsten plug looks much bigger. 

Edited November 22, 2022 by JStang

[UnderPar18]

25 minutes ago, JStang said:

 

Basically a 21 Apex MB with the tech hidden. Although, the Tungsten plug looks much bigger. 

Yes, except without Callaway's ugly head shape

[Vlade15]

23 minutes ago, JStang said:

 

Basically a 21 Apex MB with the tech hidden. Although, the Tungsten plug looks much bigger. 

Two best blades I have ever played are the Cobra King Forged MBs and the 21 Apex MBs.  Both of which have tungsten plugs (different locations, obviously).  Would not be dumb for Titleist to attempt to create some forgiveness in their MB line.

[Vlade15]

Just now, UnderPar18 said:

Yes, except without Callaway's ugly head shape

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.  One of the best looking irons I have ever seen/played.

[RCGA]

Classic chrome/stain looks better, TBH. 

[leftycabe]

I wonder if the tungsten is because of Tiger. JT seems to take A LOT of what Tiger thinks/says/does (who wouldn’t - at least from a golf perspective) and implement it, and I remember reading that Tiger used to (maybe still does) have tungsten behind the sweet spot of his irons. I think the article said he liked the firmer feel and even more feedback. I believe this was discussed when talking about the makeup of his TW irons but it’s been a long time since I read it, so I could be wrong. 
 

I just hope they continue with the satin finish. I’m not a fan of the bright chrome and it seems like more and more companies are realizing the satin and matte finishes are preferred. To each their own, though. 

[BirdieBob]

20 minutes ago, leftycabe said:

I wonder if the tungsten is because of Tiger. JT seems to take A LOT of what Tiger thinks/says/does (who wouldn’t - at least from a golf perspective) and implement it, and I remember reading that Tiger used to (maybe still does) have tungsten behind the sweet spot of his irons. I think the article said he liked the firmer feel and even more feedback. I believe this was discussed when talking about the makeup of his TW irons but it’s been a long time since I read it, so I could be wrong. 
 

I just hope they continue with the satin finish. I’m not a fan of the bright chrome and it seems like more and more companies are realizing the satin and matte finishes are preferred. To each their own, though. 

 

Exactly, its a Tiger iron with Titleist written on the back..... lol

Edited November 22, 2022 by BirdieBob

[QuigleyDU]

i'm in.. Where do I sign??

[knudson81]

My guess, and it is just a guess, is that he has a story on the creation of the 621.JT irons with the details on what JT wanted and how the engineers got there. I don't think it is a blade that we will see at retail anytime soon, but I don't know.

[Fairways_and_Greens]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

They are experimenting with a high(er) moi blade. 

I believe to increase MOI you'd need more weight heel/toe. A tungsten plug in the sweet spot would be pretty negligible for MOI.

[JStang]

Just now, Fairways_and_Greens said:

I believe to increase MOI you'd need more weight heel/toe. A tungsten plug in the sweet spot would be pretty negligible for MOI.

 

Yes, but these guys aren't missing the middle like we are. Would this make the "sweet spot" larger where the slight mishits aren't affected as much? 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

Just now, JStang said:

 

Yes, but these guys aren't missing the middle like we are. Would this make the "sweet spot" larger where the slight mishits aren't affected as much? 

Thanks for making my point? Read the post I replied to. Slowly.

[getitdaily]

12 minutes ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

I believe to increase MOI you'd need more weight heel/toe. A tungsten plug in the sweet spot would be pretty negligible for MOI.

Look at the 2nd iron in the pic posted.  SLOWLY

[Fairways_and_Greens]

Just now, getitdaily said:

Look at the 2nd iron in the pic posted.  SLOWLY

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

Well if you'd uncover your eyes then you'd see it. 

 

Weight removed from heel/toe along with center weight adjustment...

 

Allows for tungsten in the heel/toe while maintaining static weight. They're experimenting. Everyone is putting tungsten in irons now. Titleist did it with the t100 mid/long irons. Makes perfect sense to try it in blades too. 

[Binson]

Might as well just make hollow bodied heads with Tungsten and then fill in the "cavities" with steel at this point.

[JStang]

11 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Well if you'd uncover your eyes then you'd see it. 

 

Weight removed from heel/toe along with center weight adjustment...

 

Allows for tungsten in the heel/toe while maintaining static weight. They're experimenting. Everyone is putting tungsten in irons now. Titleist did it with the t100 mid/long irons. Makes perfect sense to try it in blades too. 

 

I'm thinking they cut the weight out of heal and toe to offset the added weight from the Tungsten plug. Too much tungsten would just make the club too heavy. All speculation here. 

[getitdaily]

5 minutes ago, Binson said:

Might as well just make hollow bodied heads with Tungsten and then fill in the "cavities" with steel at this point.

Not a bad idea. Weight and bonding are the likely issues....and cost.

 

I could see someone like pxg or xxio doing a titanium/tungsten iron of they can get the materials bonded well enough to absorb the force of impact over and over and over.

[Fairways_and_Greens]

21 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Well if you'd uncover your eyes then you'd see it. 

 

Weight removed from heel/toe along with center weight adjustment...

 

Allows for tungsten in the heel/toe while maintaining static weight. They're experimenting. Everyone is putting tungsten in irons now. Titleist did it with the t100 mid/long irons. Makes perfect sense to try it in blades too. 

We're looking at the same photo.

 

1: Getitdaily commented that it would increase MOI.

2: I responded that it would negligibly change MOI. (The plug would move weight back, and most likely change launch/spin but not affect resistance to twisting much)

3: You responded with a "yes but", talking about sweet spots.

 

I have no idea what you're arguing. This is the opposite direction of the T100.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Fairways_and_Greens

[getitdaily]

7 minutes ago, JStang said:

 

I'm thinking they cut the weight out of heal and toe to offset the added weight from the Tungsten plug. Too much tungsten would just make the club too heavy. All speculation here. 

Agree. But I bet they're also exploring filling in the heel/toe cavity with tungsten and using the center cavity to offset that added heel/toe weight too. 

 

We don't know for sure. Only thing we know is that they're playing with weight to see what they can do. 

[getitdaily]

Just now, Fairways_and_Greens said:

We're looking at the same photo.

 

1: Getitdaily commented that it would increase MOI.

2: I responded that it would negligibly change MOI. (The plug would move weight back, and most likely change launch/spin but not affect resistance to twisting much)

3: You responded with a "yes but", talking about sweet spots.

 

I have no idea what you're arguing. This is the opposite direction of the T100.

 

2nd photo posted. 2nd iron in the photo. Heel/toe cavities.

[Fairways_and_Greens]

1 minute ago, getitdaily said:

Not a bad idea. Weight and bonding are the likely issues....and cost.

 

I could see someone like pxg or xxio doing a titanium/tungsten iron of they can get the materials bonded well enough to absorb the force of impact over and over and over.

 

In aerospace we use "freeze plugs"

 

You keep the iron head at ambient temperature, freeze the plug, and drop it in. When it expands to normal temp, it's never coming out. I'd imagine that's what Ping does with their putters and TM does with their Tiger irons.

 

 

[third-times-a-charm]

28 minutes ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

 

In aerospace we use "freeze plugs"

 

You keep the iron head at ambient temperature, freeze the plug, and drop it in. When it expands to normal temp, it's never coming out. I'd imagine that's what Ping does with their putters and TM does with their Tiger irons.

 

 

Press fitting is more common in golf with softer alloys and smaller parts that can easily be fit in hydraulic machines.

[leftycabe]

3 hours ago, JStang said:

I saw that Ryan Barath posted a photo of what looks like a 620 MB that has the muscle completely milled. My guess is that this is for one of their tour players and they have adopted the CNC milling process similar to what TaylorMade used on Tiger's irons to be able to replicate this club to the tightest of tolerances again. Does anyone else have any insight on these?

 

 

Look what you started! 😁

 

It isn’t a real golfwrx thread until people have started arguing! 

[akap4surf]

How can Titleist make the best looking irons look even better?! Case in point!

[UnderPar18]

Not sure how we went this long in the thread without someone saying these are Miura irons stamped Titleist 🤣

[ibluetooth]

6 hours ago, JStang said:

After doing some more digging, Jonathan Wall posted this. Looks like they are for JT and they started with the 716 shape, added a tungsten plug in the middle of the club and then milled the finished product. Will be interested to hear more about these. Will Titleist release in limited production for sale? 

 

 

Hmmm,  I think these look like a familiar design…..