Path and face to path extremes

[getitdaily]

In an effort to not chase numbers, for a scratch or better golfer, what path and ftp boundaries should I be happy with?

 

For example, if my path is rarely bigger than 4*L, is that a good boundary or should it be tighter...3*L? 

 

How about face to path? Stay under 3* open to path? Tighter?

[b.mattay]

It's more repeatability rather than anything else and having the ability to hit a ball straight(ish) when needed if your typical shot shape is a big curve. 

[ChaosTheory]

I think Adam Young says you can play well with a path of up to 5 degrees in or out.  And that the face should be about half of the path angle.  

[airjammer]

I was told by a instructor that he never see a pro with more 3 degrees that playing well at that time

[MonteScheinblum]

7 hours ago, airjammer said:

I was told by a instructor that he never see a pro with more 3 degrees that playing well at that time

There are many outliers but anything under 5 is fine 

[mikpga]

Keep path no more than 6 either way, while keeping FTP at half of path…

 

Id strive toward something closer to 4…

[harryt43]

I’m a +1 and I actually prefer closer to 4. If I get down to 1 or 2 and have a not great swing my draw can easily turn into a push. 

[phizzy30]

8 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

There are many outliers but anything under 5 is fine 

Monte, what do you think about Masahiro Kawamura's swing?  He's across the line at the top and looks extremely OTT on the way down, yet his divots look to be pointing relatively straight..........

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Monte, what do you think about Masahiro Kawamura's swing?  He's across the line at the top and looks extremely OTT on the way down, yet his divots look to be pointing relatively straight..........

I do not believe it’s over the top, I haven’t seen his numbers.

 

Here is the way I feel about elite players swings.

 

1.  I like every single one of them because they have elite functional ability.  In a few I see mismatched parts and believe they could be better with a small change.

 

2.  The average golfer can discern less than nothing from the swing of an individual.  The media and golfing public want to go all in on the anomaly of the latest emerging star.  Rory’s hip stall, DJ’s wrist, Wolfe’s takeaway.  Trying to emulate what one player made work is a fool’s errand.  You want to try and emulate what 147 out of 150 do.

Edited November 26, 2022 by MonteScheinblum

[Chunkitgood]

I suppose we’re talking swing path as revealed by some piece of technology, but relative to…what?  Some idealized target line (perhaps orthogonal to how the machine is set up)?  Some idealized alignment of the body?  What part of the body?

 

like a lot less worrying about this sort of thing seems a backwards way of learning, unless possibly for the refinement of a true expert swing.

[getitdaily]

14 minutes ago, Chunkitgood said:

I suppose we’re talking swing path as revealed by some piece of technology, but relative to…what?  Some idealized target line (perhaps orthogonal to how the machine is set up)?  Some idealized alignment of the body?  What part of the body?

 

like a lot less worrying about this sort of thing seems a backwards way of learning, unless possibly for the refinement of a true expert swing.

Club path relative to target line.

[MonteScheinblum]

50 minutes ago, Chunkitgood said:

I suppose we’re talking swing path as revealed by some piece of technology, but relative to…what?  Some idealized target line (perhaps orthogonal to how the machine is set up)?  Some idealized alignment of the body?  What part of the body?

 

like a lot less worrying about this sort of thing seems a backwards way of learning, unless possibly for the refinement of a true expert swing.

Yes and no.  You don’t chase a number.  It’s a diagnostic tool to help show why you’re mis hitting that ball and it shows the level of improvement.

 

Think of it like an MRI on your knee.  It doesn’t do the surgery, but it gives the surgeon a more specific understanding of the problem.

[MonteScheinblum]

A huge value for mid to high handicaps.  For decades the pull hooker was told and thought he was over the top.  An LM tells him he’s way too far from the inside.  This is huge.

[getitdaily]

5 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

A huge value for mid to high handicaps.  For decades the pull hooker was told and thought he was over the top.  An LM tells him he’s way too far from the inside.  This is huge.

And what I've seen in just a few weeks is that my right miss isn't from a path issue...100% face that gets too open in transition.