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On KBS' website, they claim that their signature "Tour" shaft launches 5% lower, spins 5% less, and carries 5% farther than Dynamic Gold shafts. However, despite these claims every other site I've seen claims the KBS Tour to be a mid launch mid spin shaft and that the Dynamic Gold X100 is a low launch low spin shaft. Can anyone explain this? I eventually am going to switch irons around May of next year and really want to put KBS shafts in the bag as I like the feel of them significantly better than DG (am not referring to C-Taper tho). Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

Edit: is the Tour V 120X a better comp to the DG 120 X100 Tour Issue that I am using currently, just with the KBS feel?

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Driver: PING G425 LST 9° w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Blue 60 6.5 (45.5", tipped 1")

3 Wood: Titleist TS3 15° (@ 15°, D3 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Blue 70 6.5 (42.5", tipped 1.5")

Hybrid: ADAMS Idea Pro a12 18° w/ Graphite Design Tour AD DI 95-X Hybrid (40.5")

Irons: Titleist T100 2019 (4-PW) w/ Dynamic Gold 120 X100 Tour Issue

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM5 Tour Issue (50°-12F), SM8 (56°-10S), SM9 Wedgeworks (60°-06K) w/ Dynamic Gold 120 S400 Tour Issue

Putter: PING Anser 3 (36")

 

Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet BCT Cord Midsize, PING PP58

Ball: Bridgestone Tour B X

Bag: Sun Mountain 2023 2.5+

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1 hour ago, CKaneb said:

On KBS' website, they claim that their signature "Tour" shaft launches 5% lower, spins 5% less, and carries 5% farther than Dynamic Gold shafts.  However, despite these claims every other site I've seen claims the KBS Tour to be a mid launch mid spin shaft and that the Dynamic Gold X100 is a low launch low spin shaft. Can anyone explain this?

 

I'd believe that for a comparison of the x-stiffs,  but not stiff or regular flex.   DG x100 is a bit of a different animal than the DG s300 or r300.    But regardless I would take any statements like that with a grain of salt without a lot more information about the testing methodology.

 

 

1 hour ago, CKaneb said:

 

I eventually am going to switch irons around May of next year and really want to put KBS shafts in the bag as I like the feel of them significantly better than DG (am not referring to C-Taper tho). Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

Don't worry about what the published launch characteristics of a shaft might be.

1) The human factor makes those robot tests a bit unreliable when it comes to figuring out real world results. 

2) the direct contribution of the profile on the results really isn't that big.  Nothing you can't overcome with some minimal loft adjustments of the head if any adjustments are actually needed.

 

It's much better to select a shaft based on feel and things like the consistency of the results, dispersion, and accuracy.  Leave the launch and spin (and therefore distance) adjustments to head choice and loft, not the shaft.

 

So it's always a good idea to test out the shaft to see what you'll get with a particular weight/profile but typically if you like the feel, most of the time that by itself is a valid enough reason to go with a particular shaft.

 

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1 hour ago, Stuart_G said:

 

I'd believe that for a comparison of the x-stiffs,  but not stiff or regular flex.   DG x100 is a bit of a different animal than the DG s300 or r300.    But regardless I would take any statements like that with a grain of salt without a lot more information about the testing methodology.

 

 

 

Don't worry about what the published launch characteristics of a shaft might be.

1) The human factor makes those robot tests a bit unreliable when it comes to figuring out real world results. 

2) the direct contribution of the profile on the results really isn't that big.  Nothing you can't overcome with some minimal loft adjustments of the head if any adjustments are actually needed.

 

It's much better to select a shaft based on feel and things like the consistency of the results, dispersion, and accuracy.  Leave the launch and spin (and therefore distance) adjustments to head choice and loft, not the shaft.

 

So it's always a good idea to test out the shaft to see what you'll get with a particular weight/profile but typically if you like the feel, most of the time that by itself is a valid enough reason to go with a particular shaft.

 

good to know Stuart, thanks so much for your response

Driver: PING G425 LST 9° w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Blue 60 6.5 (45.5", tipped 1")

3 Wood: Titleist TS3 15° (@ 15°, D3 SureFit Setting) w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Blue 70 6.5 (42.5", tipped 1.5")

Hybrid: ADAMS Idea Pro a12 18° w/ Graphite Design Tour AD DI 95-X Hybrid (40.5")

Irons: Titleist T100 2019 (4-PW) w/ Dynamic Gold 120 X100 Tour Issue

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM5 Tour Issue (50°-12F), SM8 (56°-10S), SM9 Wedgeworks (60°-06K) w/ Dynamic Gold 120 S400 Tour Issue

Putter: PING Anser 3 (36")

 

Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet BCT Cord Midsize, PING PP58

Ball: Bridgestone Tour B X

Bag: Sun Mountain 2023 2.5+

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I play Tour 130X. The lower launch and lower spin thing held true for me in comparison with $ Taper and X100, X100 120. I couldn't get an X flex Tour V to compare with.

 

That result - that KBS Tour is lower/lower than the equivalent Dynamic Gold - has held true for me since I looked at Tour 120 versus S300 about 15 years ago. I guess it all depends on the player with the club in their hands - some people get radically different results. It's worth testing to see what happens for you.

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