What's your favorite bandaid?

[Krt22]

1 minute ago, Fuscinator said:

And while I'm at it, other than impact, there are no fundamentals. They're all bandaids. Please discuss.😻

I say this with all due respect, but only complete hacks with little knowledge swing say things like this.

[Fuscinator]

7 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

Is band aid synonymous with swing key? Even tour pros find a key that works, gives them confidence for a while until it stops working then they find another one. 

 

I heard Butch say on a SkySports telecast that DJ wanted him to take a look at his driver swing because he was having trouble hitting fairways. Butch watched DJ hit a few balls and said you're extending your right knee too much. DJ then proceeded to hit 10 straight balls in a row and thanked Butch for the help.

 

Butch was in the booth laughing about it saying that DJ right knee position didn't change. 

The more things that  happen in anything, the more variability comes into play every time.

[Fuscinator]

3 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

I say this with all due respect, but only complete hacks with little knowledge swing say things like this.

Yeah, ok, Tiger.😻

[Krt22]

8 minutes ago, Fuscinator said:

Yeah, ok, Tiger.😻

The truth hurts. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Fuscinator]

Just now, Krt22 said:

The truth hurts. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten us with all the other fundamentals beside impact. I define fundamentals as those things that must happen in 100% of all good swings. 

[Fuscinator]

24 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

IMHO if we are going to define things.

 

Compensations-Something we do to create a functional shot pattern. 

Band-aid-Something we do externally to further alter the resulting shot pattern

 

If you get steep from the top, then add a bunch of secondary to shallow out. That is a compensation. 

 

Then you start hitting fat shots because you are tilting and low point is too far back, so you move the ball back in your stance. That is a band-aid. 

 

If you address the core issue (first move down), you are much less likely to add the secondary tilt. If you don't add the tilt, you won't need the band-aid either.

These are all relative, though. Shallowing is a latest fad, but just like almost everything else in a golf swing, shallowing is relative. It's not a fundamental.

[Krt22]

14 minutes ago, Fuscinator said:

Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten us with all the other fundamentals beside impact. I define fundamentals as those things that must happen in 100% of all good swings. 

There is a big difference between a swing that can produce "good" impact conditions and one that can do so in a repeatable fashion

5 minutes ago, Fuscinator said:

These are all relative, though. Shallowing is a latest fad, but just like almost everything else in a golf swing, shallowing is relative. It's not a fundamental.

But with comments like this, there is no point wasting my breath explaining it, since you will already have a contrived response ready anyway.

 

Have fun with your band-aids, may you find that lighting in the bottle some day

[ThinkingPlus]

I favor Nexcare.  The irregular hexagonal shapes are cool.

[chipa]

I have read many times over the years that the better players that aren't instructors say that there can be no downswing thoughts. Therefore, the only real compensation for better players must be to aim a little more left or right to keep their ball in play, which is what I had read many years ago as well.

 

I understand many depend on downswing techniques to hit the ball well, I just believe there is a better way that's all.

Edited December 2, 2022 by chipa

[Fuscinator]

29 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

There is a big difference between a swing that can produce "good" impact conditions and one that can do so in a repeatable fashion

But with comments like this, there is no point wasting my breath explaining it, since you will already have a contrived response ready anyway.

 

Have fun with your band-aids, may you find that lighting in the bottle some day

You appear to have a misunderstanding. I'll go ahead and define bandaids.

 

Bandaids are fixes that work immediately (otherwise, there's  no point in doing them😏). How long they last is variable. Analogously, bandaids are temporary.

 

As the only real constants in golf are impact conditions, one could argue that everything else is a bandaid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chunkitgood]

Forget everything else and swing the club with your whole body…excepts that’s not a bandaid.

[MonteScheinblum]

9 minutes ago, Fuscinator said:

You appear to have a misunderstanding. I'll go ahead and define bandaids.

 

Bandaids are fixes that work immediately (otherwise, there's  no point in doing them😏). How long they last is variable. Analogously, bandaids are temporary.

 

As the only real constants in golf are impact conditions, one could argue that everything else is a bandaid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No two elite players have the same impact conditions. So by your definition, there is no such thing as a fundamental. 
 

Even if impact is all that matters were a truism, how you get there is important.  If the idea is to get from Montana to Canada in the most efficient and quickest way, you can’t drive though Texas and say, “Well, I still got to Canada.”

 

impact is all that matters is the equivalent of saying the guys with the most toys wins.  It’s a tired, meaningless cliche.

 

When a certain movement is prevalent  in 95% of your players, 80% of scratches, 50% of 10 caps and 5% of 20 caps, it’s probably a good idea.

 

There’s a guy who smokes 3 packs a day and is over 100. Try that and see how it works.  Jim Kick died early, fitness is a bad idea.

 

 

[shoot4par]

A beer or a shot and a beer, there are varying sizes for a bandaid.

[bladehunter]

9 hours ago, Zitlow said:

Is band aid synonymous with swing key? Even tour pros find a key that works, gives them confidence for a while until it stops working then they find another one. 

 

I heard Butch say on a SkySports telecast that DJ wanted him to take a look at his driver swing because he was having trouble hitting fairways. Butch watched DJ hit a few balls and said you're extending your right knee too much. DJ then proceeded to hit 10 straight balls in a row and thanked Butch for the help.

 

Butch was in the booth laughing about it saying that DJ right knee position didn't change. 

And that my friends is how half of golf improvement is accomplished. When someone you trust says some words , and you then believe , thus hitting it better - and the belief sticks for a while.  Lol.  In my case it’s putter . I used to have a shaman who said some words over me occasionally to keep the magic alive.  You know it when he’s gone is all i can say. 

[jomatty]

Good bandaid…
 

Romeo: Put your change in your left pocket. Go on, do it. Now, tie your left shoe in a double knot.
Roy: Tie my left shoe?
Romeo: Right now, do it! Turn the hat backwards. Turn your hat around. Do it, Roy! Take this tee and stick it behind your left ear

[KNOWMOREDOUBLES]

11 hours ago, Krt22 said:

IMHO if we are going to define things.

 

Compensations-Something we do to create a functional shot pattern. 

Band-aid-Something we do externally to further alter the resulting shot pattern

 

If you get steep from the top, then add a bunch of secondary to shallow out. That is a compensation. 

 

Then you start hitting fat shots because you are tilting and low point is too far back, so you move the ball back in your stance. That is a band-aid. 

 

If you address the core issue (first move down), you are much less likely to add the secondary tilt. If you don't add the tilt, you won't need the band-aid either.

What is the 'correct' move down?  Ray Floyd-take it way inside come over the top with a strong grip and hit draws?  Lee Trevino-Take it outside drop it in hit push fades?  

[KNOWMOREDOUBLES]

9 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

No two elite players have the same impact conditions. So by your definition, there is no such thing as a fundamental. 
 

Even if impact is all that matters were a truism, how you get there is important.  If the idea is to get from Montana to Canada in the most efficient and quickest way, you can’t drive though Texas and say, “Well, I still got to Canada.”

 

impact is all that matters is the equivalent of saying the guys with the most toys wins.  It’s a tired, meaningless cliche.

 

When a certain movement is prevalent  in 95% of your players, 80% of scratches, 50% of 10 caps and 5% of 20 caps, it’s probably a good idea.

 

There’s a guy who smokes 3 packs a day and is over 100. Try that and see how it works.  Jim Kick died early, fitness is a bad idea.

 

 

Does every instructor teach the same fundamentals? 

[Fuscinator]

9 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

No two elite players have the same impact conditions. So by your definition, there is no such thing as a fundamental. 
 

Even if impact is all that matters were a truism, how you get there is important.  If the idea is to get from Montana to Canada in the most efficient and quickest way, you can’t drive though Texas and say, “Well, I still got to Canada.”

 

impact is all that matters is the equivalent of saying the guys with the most toys wins.  It’s a tired, meaningless cliche.

 

When a certain movement is prevalent  in 95% of your players, 80% of scratches, 50% of 10 caps and 5% of 20 caps, it’s probably a good idea.

 

There’s a guy who smokes 3 packs a day and is over 100. Try that and see how it works.  Jim Kick died early, fitness is a bad idea.

 

 

Hm, I didn't realize that first thing. Is there significantly greater similarities in their differing impact conditions than the rest of their swing? In other words, is there still less variance at impact than the other areas of the swing?

 

The rest I agree with. 95% is pointless to argue against. But, I'm not asking about a sensible approach to golf. I'm asking about what are essentially quick fixes doomed to eventually fail. To be clear, I'm not looking for help here. I'm asking out curiosity. (I probably should've put this thread in the General forum.) I just thought it would be a fun topic.

 

It's Jim Fixx, btw (I couldn't remember his name either, but I knew who you meant). For those of you who are unfamiliar...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx

[DShepley]

12 hours ago, Sean124 said:

Jameson. 

This is the best one!

[DShepley]

11 hours ago, Fuscinator said:

These are all relative, though. Shallowing is a latest fad, but just like almost everything else in a golf swing, shallowing is relative. It's not a fundamental.

I hit it better when I feel like I'm steep but I suffer from the early secondary tilt and get stuck under-plane.....unlike real bandaids, there isn't a 'one size fits all' solution.

[Fuscinator]

54 minutes ago, DShepley said:

I hit it better when I feel like I'm steep but I suffer from the early secondary tilt and get stuck under-plane.....unlike real bandaids, there isn't a 'one size fits all' solution.

If you don't already have a strong grip, I'll bet if you took a super strong one (like a Karate chop to the target), things would suddenly get better for at least ten minutes.

[dfeldss]

a couple ice cold domestics

[KNOWMOREDOUBLES]

13 hours ago, Krt22 said:

I say this with all due respect, but only complete hacks with little knowledge swing say things like this.

The funny thing about this comment is that if ANYONE had the answers we would all be hitting 18 greens and every instructor would be teaching the same system.  

 

The 'correct' golf swing is an estimated guess with a wide range of ideas and parameters.

[MattM97]

For me it's turning the hips even if I have to over do it. First tee slice, turn the hips. Duff a wedge, turn the hips. Blocking my irons, turn the hips.

[Zitlow]

3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

And that my friends is how half of golf improvement is accomplished. When someone you trust says some words , and you then believe , thus hitting it better - and the belief sticks for a while.  Lol.  In my case it’s putter . I used to have a shaman who said some words over me occasionally to keep the magic alive.  You know it when he’s gone is all i can say. 

 

It all boils down to the quantum level. What you believe determines the outcome, if you think you can you can until you think you can't. 

 

 

 

[Boognish]

For irons, take an extra club and hit three quarter knockdowns.  Full rotation, just shorten the backswing and try to keep the flight lower.

 

For woods, swing left and focus on starting the ball left.  Should generate a controllable fade or a straight ball down left side for me.  

[Fuscinator]

1 hour ago, dfeldss said:

a couple ice cold domestics

Pretty sure that's considered a fundamental.

 

Here's an example of a bandaid that should've worked yet didn't. In the mid 90s, I was playing with a friend of mine who had read more books about golf than rounds he'd played. He kept hitting these push cuts that would start at least 30° right and go righter. He was getting really frustrated, so I said "why don't you aim at those trees on the left? That way, you'll end up in the middle of the fairway." He said "oh yeah, that makes sense." So, he aimed at the trees and took his best swing of the day. The ball took off like a rocket straight into the woods never to be seen again. He turned to me and said "why didn't that work? It should've worked." All I could think of was "maybe you forgot to get nervous."

[Ifelloffladder]

The father of all band-aids, "it's all in the hips!"

[Double Mocha Man]

5 hours ago, jomatty said:

Good bandaid…
 

Romeo: Put your change in your left pocket. Go on, do it. Now, tie your left shoe in a double knot.
Roy: Tie my left shoe?
Romeo: Right now, do it! Turn the hat backwards. Turn your hat around. Do it, Roy! Take this tee and stick it behind your left ear

 

That's always worked for me...

[tthomasgolfer605]

These are great for blisters.