Tour Callaway Paradym driver - 2022 QBE Shootout

[Avidswampthing66]

4 minutes ago, dbone919 said:

For sure noticed the fade bias. I hit a standard 10.5* but going to order the 9* n turn it up a degree I think. Time will tell on the weight split but have a couple good options to try out beside the 2/14 with the 8/8 n 6/10 suggestions. Thanks guys! 

Let us know how it goes!

[bcflyguy1]

29 minutes ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

the look at address appears ever so slightly open.  

This was the first thing I noticed when seeing it for the first time. While it didn't bother me (though it did quite a few other people), the Rogue ST stuff tended to have a slightly shut look when soled at address. PTD falls slightly open when soled.

[Avidswampthing66]

2 hours ago, bcflyguy1 said:

This was the first thing I noticed when seeing it for the first time. While it didn't bother me (though it did quite a few other people), the Rogue ST stuff tended to have a slightly shut look when soled at address. PTD falls slightly open when soled.

I agree.  Even the TD model looked lightly closed at address.  I remember thinking the Max LS looked more square than standard TD.  I gamed Max LS last year and was able to turn it over quite a bit.  I feel like I have to work to turn over PTD, which for me isn't a bad thing at all.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Avidswampthing66

[dbone919]

2 hours ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Let us know how it goes!

Sure thing. April can’t get here fast enough. 

[ob1soccer]

seriously the weather is actually killing me

[golfboy123]

Way 2 busy looking 🇺🇸

[Double Mocha Man]

20 minutes ago, golfboy123 said:

Way 2 busy looking 🇺🇸

 

So you wouldn't buy it even if it gave you 25 extra, more accurate, yards?

[golfboy123]

You Dang right I would ….. LOL 🤣

[SugarPenguin]

Had a fitting today and the Paradym TD will be a problem for other OEMs. 
 

SS 107 and I hit up 6 degrees on the ball. Tight draw and carry around 270. 
 

the distance potential is insane and the forgiveness is really solid. Coming from my Mavrik Subzero it is night and day in terms of how stable the club and face is. 
it also felt much softer than my Mavrik which I did like for the feedback aspect. 
 

Really easy to find the centre of the face with and it’s really neutral in its flight.

 

standard version - hated it. Couldn’t find the centre of the face if I tried. Blocked it badly. It just looks massive. 
 

the TD just got beat out by a TSR2 - but not on like for like best strikes. TSR2 front to back dispersion just too pure to pass up on. 
 

Paradym looks way better in person. The TD shape is perfection but it just looks a bit disjointed from the top? I find the dark grey and blue didn’t really blend well nor did it contrast enough. Then it’s got more titanium at the back. 
Doesn’t flow - however the effect looks brilliant even though I’m quite traditional in my pretences. 

[Kamen]

I went for a fitting twice and each time I saw almost no difference between the standard and the TD. Fitter suggested I stay with TD 9 deg with the weight back as I got the most distance out of it on good shots but in my mind I keep feeling I should pick the standard as it is the most forgiving model. The TD does look the best and looks really small compared to anything. At address it reminds me of the TM Mini Driver lol.

 

Anyone else have any experiences between the standard and the TD?

[Fujikura Golf]

On 1/15/2023 at 9:12 AM, HitBombs said:

Not sure if this got hidden in the comments somewhere. But last night on Johnny wunders Q&A on instagram someone asked if the stock no charge upgrade Ventus TR was a real velocore shaft and he mentioned yes it was. Can anyone confirm this? that would be pretty exciting news if so. 

The TR Blue 6 with the $250 upcharge has VeloCore and is the aftermarket/custom upgrade model.

 

On 1/15/2023 at 9:48 AM, Avidswampthing66 said:

Here we are again with Cally and TM coming together with @Fujikura Golf to bring more confusion to their potential customers.  So lame. Two non velocore Ventus Shafts and now two more non velocore TR shafts.  

 

The shafts that include the VeloCore logo on them have VeloCore. The ones that do not, do not have VeloCore. If there is an upcharge for a VENTUS shaft then it has VeloCore. Club Companies call this out on their websites, but if you ever had any questions you could reach out to their customer service teams for clarification. An example of how this is called out is in the screenshot below. Hope this helps.

[BirdieBob]

 

[third-times-a-charm]

23 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

The TR Blue 6 with the $250 upcharge has VeloCore and is the aftermarket/custom upgrade model.

 

 

The shafts that include the VeloCore logo on them have VeloCore. The ones that do not, do not have VeloCore. If there is an upcharge for a VENTUS shaft then it has VeloCore. Club Companies call this out on their websites, but if you ever had any questions you could reach out to their customer service teams for clarification. An example of how this is called out is in the screenshot below. Hope this helps.

 

I think the posters like you quoted are alluding to the fact that the non-Velocore models (and now Speeder NX WITHOUT the 'Variable Torque Core' tech) which share the exact same paint schemes just missing a Velocore logo is misleading to a huge swath of golfers that are not equipment junkies and may not be as informed at face value when looking at your shafts.

 

They may see one on tour or in a youtube video and not know to look for that tiny 1" space on the bottom of the shaft to verify if its infact the Velocore shaft everyone wants, or the OEM-contract-produced non-Velocore models you guys are pumping out. 

 

Hey, I dont blame you Fuji - gotta make that money. But, it IS misleading to the masses.

[My2Dogs]

On 1/25/2023 at 4:14 PM, SugarPenguin said:

Had a fitting today and the Paradym TD will be a problem for other OEMs. 
 

SS 107 and I hit up 6 degrees on the ball. Tight draw and carry around 270. 
 

the distance potential is insane and the forgiveness is really solid. Coming from my Mavrik Subzero it is night and day in terms of how stable the club and face is. 
it also felt much softer than my Mavrik which I did like for the feedback aspect. 
 

Really easy to find the centre of the face with and it’s really neutral in its flight.

 

standard version - hated it. Couldn’t find the centre of the face if I tried. Blocked it badly. It just looks massive. 
 

the TD just got beat out by a TSR2 - but not on like for like best strikes. TSR2 front to back dispersion just too pure to pass up on. 
 

Paradym looks way better in person. The TD shape is perfection but it just looks a bit disjointed from the top? I find the dark grey and blue didn’t really blend well nor did it contrast enough. Then it’s got more titanium at the back. 
Doesn’t flow - however the effect looks brilliant even though I’m quite traditional in my pretences. 

What loft did you try in the TD and what loft are you currently playing in the TSR2?  

[BoomShakalaka5]

It didn’t look as weird in person at CC.  Wasn’t right club for me, but the down range dispersion on miss hits claim was true.  Balls jump off this club.  

[ob1soccer]

19 hours ago, BirdieBob said:

 

excellent video, thanks for posting

[Pleasedwith3putts]

I had my first round of testing today albeit on GC quad indoors. Standard Paradym reminds me too much of last years ST Max, the top line sits square but the main face has that sense of being closed. The TD is totally different, flat, open and shows you all the loft at address. TD has my attention, super solid, workable and reasonable forgiveness. It will be down to that, the 430 LST or the TSR3 for the bag this year, nothing lese looks like it will offer me anything new. So 430 Max almost identical numbers to my 410 plus.

Got a session booked outdoors with Callaway on Thursday, so will see with my own eyes how it compares to the 410 plus.

[BirdieBob]

 

[Avidswampthing66]

25 minutes ago, BirdieBob said:

 

 Fast, classy with a really good feel.  It's gonna be tough to beat TSR3.  Driver just has it all.

 

[TheMoneyShot]

2 hours ago, BirdieBob said:

 

Would love to see him test the TS4 vs 💎💎💎

[mtnbiker5]

Tested paradym at cc in ct.  didn’t see tremendous difference from my rogue at all.  Rogue staying in bag. 👍🏻

[Redbird]

3 minutes ago, mtnbiker5 said:

Tested paradym at cc in ct.  didn’t see tremendous difference from my rogue at all.  Rogue staying in bag. 👍🏻

Me neither, if your already optimized in driver there is no new offering that’s going to be leaps and bounds better. 

[SwingBlues]

6 hours ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

 Fast, classy with a really good feel.  It's gonna be tough to beat TSR3.  Driver just has it all.

 

 

IMO, Michael Newton may well have a better head strikes with the TSR3. I'll contrast MN to Jason @ askgolfnut. Watch his STZ230 and STZ230 and he really shows the impact of the high/low & heel/toe strikes and those 2023 Mizunos are sizzling hot.

 

Nonetheless, I do still like MN reviews. TSRs are a really nice line, didn't think Titleist could improve it post the TSi lines but hey.

 

I think we are lucky to live in times where we get some exceptional drivers 2022...2023 with some amazing technology & materials.

Edited January 30, 2023 by SwingBlues

[mtnbiker5]

I give 5 stars to TSR for sound and feel.  3 stars on forgiveness and dispersion.  Everyone is different, for me personally, Rogue is right down broadway every time and I just keep taking my golf buddies money.  I realize this is a Paradym forum and i don't bag the driver.  I think its safe to say, overall, Paradym is a very good driver if your in the market though for a new driver.  I just didn't see any major difference in terms of distance or dispersion this and between my Rogue.

Edited January 30, 2023 by mtnbiker5

[BirdieBob]

 

[adam2883]

Does anyone know if Callaway tips any of their fitting shafts? Was testing out the TD with a Ventus Blue 6x and the set up was beating my current gamer and I know I can order the set up at a better cost than from Callaway but just don’t know if the shaft would need any tipping to be the same as what I was testing.

[BirdieBob]

25 minutes ago, adam2883 said:

Does anyone know if Callaway tips any of their fitting shafts? Was testing out the TD with a Ventus Blue 6x and the set up was beating my current gamer and I know I can order the set up at a better cost than from Callaway but just don’t know if the shaft would need any tipping to be the same as what I was testing.

Measure the length from the shaft tip to the start of "velocore"...no tipping should be 4".

 

[third-times-a-charm]

2 hours ago, adam2883 said:

Does anyone know if Callaway tips any of their fitting shafts? Was testing out the TD with a Ventus Blue 6x and the set up was beating my current gamer and I know I can order the set up at a better cost than from Callaway but just don’t know if the shaft would need any tipping to be the same as what I was testing.

They do not.

[Lasorcier]

Okay, hopefully not a stupid question and I might know the answer in advance.  Situation: at local sporting goods store, I see left hand Rogue ST triple diamond demo club in the sale bin for under $300.  Also had a regular left hand LS for like 260, interestingly.  It is pristine but no headcover.  It is a rare bird that would hit that because this is not a golf-only store -- it is a general sporting goods store.  I looks like it was hit once or maybe twice TOPS.  So, is the Paradigm TD materially better than the Rogue ST TD?  I am guessing probably not and that I should hop on that deal.  Not really a callaway guy and use the TSr4 and TSi4 before that, but it is flatter than the TSr4 (58.5 versus 57 I think) and that appeals to me.  I like flatter and more open looking - strongly dislike the upright/closed look.  The bonus is that my son wants a tensei blue and this one has one.  So I figure at worst, I can pull the adapter and put on a titleist one for his driver (TSi3) and sell the head if I don't like it. 

 

The problem with the Paradigm is that it is mighty pretty.  The Rogue ST is too, except for the matte (prefer gloss), but not enough to get me to spend on one.  For under $300 though, it is most certainly tempting.

 

Thanks in advance, of course.

[Avidswampthing66]

20 hours ago, Lasorcier said:

Okay, hopefully not a stupid question and I might know the answer in advance.  Situation: at local sporting goods store, I see left hand Rogue ST triple diamond demo club in the sale bin for under $300.  Also had a regular left hand LS for like 260, interestingly.  It is pristine but no headcover.  It is a rare bird that would hit that because this is not a golf-only store -- it is a general sporting goods store.  I looks like it was hit once or maybe twice TOPS.  So, is the Paradigm TD materially better than the Rogue ST TD?  I am guessing probably not and that I should hop on that deal.  Not really a callaway guy and use the TSr4 and TSi4 before that, but it is flatter than the TSr4 (58.5 versus 57 I think) and that appeals to me.  I like flatter and more open looking - strongly dislike the upright/closed look.  The bonus is that my son wants a tensei blue and this one has one.  So I figure at worst, I can pull the adapter and put on a titleist one for his driver (TSi3) and sell the head if I don't like it. 

 

The problem with the Paradigm is that it is mighty pretty.  The Rogue ST is too, except for the matte (prefer gloss), but not enough to get me to spend on one.  For under $300 though, it is most certainly tempting.

 

Thanks in advance, of course.

I would jump on the deal, and get the shaft for your boy.  I had a Rogue St TD and now Paradym TD, I do believe the Paradym is longer and feels/sounds better...but not by much.  Small small margins.  To me the main squeeze is, I see the P TD as more fade biased and sits more open than Rogue.  Some people are sensitive to those things.  But, the Rogue TD is such good driver.  Seems like a win win for you and your son.  IF you change your mind, you can always BST it!

Edited February 1, 2023 by Avidswampthing66