JPX 923 Forged

[Lefty87]

I’m surprised there isn’t more talk about these. Also confused what the embargo date is…pre-orders are available but there are very few reviews. I’m close to getting a fitting and placing a pre-order, but I’m looking for more feedback. Has anyone hit them yet? Comments? 

[elwhippy]

Saw the demo heads a couple of weeks ago. They look fantastic. 

[HarborMike]

49 minutes ago, Lefty87 said:

I’m surprised there isn’t more talk about these. Also confused what the embargo date is…pre-orders are available but there are very few reviews. I’m close to getting a fitting and placing a pre-order, but I’m looking for more feedback. Has anyone hit them yet? Comments? 

I haven’t hit them yet, but here’s a deep dive detailed review by AskGolfNut (doubt anyone else is going to do a better job). Overall, just a revision in cosmetics, construction, and minimal gains of performance vs. JPX 921 version. Doesn’t recommend in upgrading if you already have 921Fs or 225s. There were more jumps in 921 to 923 Hot Metals and Tour versions. He also mentioned in the video, very little feel/sound difference vs. HMP 923. Neither of these are knocks on 923s IMO, still a good club but didn’t really differentiate the 923F from previous 921F.

 

 

[Lefty87]

14 minutes ago, HarborMike said:

I haven’t hit them yet, but here’s a deep dive detailed review by AskGolfNut (doubt anyone else is going to do a better job). Overall, just a revision in cosmetics, construction, and minimal gains of performance vs. JPX 921 version. Doesn’t recommend in upgrading if you already have 921Fs or 225s. There were more jumps in 921 to 923 Hot Metals and Tour versions. He also mentioned in the video, very little feel/sound difference vs. HMP 923. Neither of these are knocks on 923s IMO, still a good club but didn’t really differentiate the 923F from previous 921F.

 

 

I saw the review…he does a heck of a job. I’m a lefty who played the 919 forged for a while. Since the 921 forged wasn’t available to lefties, I’m considering the 923 forged. Wondering how they compare, because the 919 forged was plenty forgiving for a forged iron. 

[HarborMike]

2 hours ago, Lefty87 said:

I saw the review…he does a heck of a job. I’m a lefty who played the 919 forged for a while. Since the 921 forged wasn’t available to lefties, I’m considering the 923 forged. Wondering how they compare, because the 919 forged was plenty forgiving for a forged iron. 

You’ll definitely see a bigger jump. I played 921 for a season and a half. There was quite a bit of a jump from 919 to 921 with chromoly forging replacing boron which allowed weight savings, and the face to be thinner and increasing ball speed. My only complaint with 921Fs was the blade length was a bit too long to my eye, but Mizuno shortened the length in the 923s from what I read. 

[noodle3872]

2 hours ago, HarborMike said:

You’ll definitely see a bigger jump. I played 921 for a season and a half. There was quite a bit of a jump from 919 to 921 with chromoly forging replacing boron which allowed weight savings, and the face to be thinner and increasing ball speed. My only complaint with 921Fs was the blade length was a bit too long to my eye, but Mizuno shortened the length in the 923s from what I read. 

You’ll find the 923F 8i-PW are a bit smaller proportioned. 

[dmeeksDC]

Was in a shop over the weekend and they said they’ve had full sets of the 923 Forged for more than a month but could not display them and then got the fitting heads last week. They have a set on display now. Wow. They truly look sleeker. The blade length is a little shorter (about same length as the P770), scoring irons are improved and the overall footprint is very attractive. Not a wide sole. They have them right next to sets of the 923 Tours, Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pros and it was easy to see the differences. 
 

For better players seeking mishit forgiveness and a speed boost, there are many great options, but it’s impressive how Mizuno produced it in a one-piece forging. Going back when I have more time to take a few swings. 

[renobleiii]

just hit the demo heads last week at Club Champions. They felt great to this untrained eye. I had most ball speed with 923F vs P790 and Apex. Same-ish spin, height, etc. Ran out of steam and will finish fitting this Friday by comparing 923 forged to HM Pro. 

about me: moving from Ping G10, never hit any other iron, literally. I’m a lefty with no lefty friends. Told fitter I’d hit whatever he handed me, no preferences on brand or type, except I wanted to try Mizuno. 

Never thought I’d hit a club that far along the continuum towards a player’s club. I expected to hit GI clubs and maybe some player’s distance irons with larger heads. I was amazed at my results and am 95% sure I’m buying the 923 Forged 

[sociojeje]

14 minutes ago, renobleiii said:

just hit the demo heads last week at Club Champions. They felt great to this untrained eye. I had most ball speed with 923F vs P790 and Apex. Same-ish spin, height, etc. Ran out of steam and will finish fitting this Friday by comparing 923 forged to HM Pro. 

about me: moving from Ping G10, never hit any other iron, literally. I’m a lefty with no lefty friends. Told fitter I’d hit whatever he handed me, no preferences on brand or type, except I wanted to try Mizuno. 

Never thought I’d hit a club that far along the continuum towards a player’s club. I expected to hit GI clubs and maybe some player’s distance irons with larger heads. I was amazed at my results and am 95% sure I’m buying the 923 Forged 

Did you also try mizuno pro 225? 

[renobleiii]

9 minutes ago, sociojeje said:

Did you also try mizuno pro 225? 

I did not. Don’t know the first thing about them. 
 

booked a fitting at my local mizuno experience store for Thursday before I finish at CC on Friday. Really want to mail the irons fitting. 

[gdb99]

I just had an indoor fitting today.

Fitter had me try:

923 Forged

Apex 21

Ping 525

P790

Best shaft for me was the KBS Tour Lite in stiff.

7 iron SS around 80 MPH

He thought the 923 were the best fit for me. I questioned the low spin and the low descent angle.

I asked to try the P770. 3* more loft than the Forged.

Spin went up around 500 RPM's to get around 4300. Descent angle went up around 2* to average above 45*.

Peak height was around 85' with the Forged, 95' with the P770.

P770 is shorter heel to toe and has a thinner sole, to my eye.

923 Forged didn't feel as soft to me as the 919 or 921 Forged.

Kept going back and forth between the Forged and P770. Started to swing the Forged a little better.

Was getting the Forged up over 4200 RPM consistently and landing angle around 44.5*.

P770 was closer to 4500 RPM and 45-46* land angle.

158-160 yards with P770, 162-165 yards with the Forged. Carry distances.

I'm not sure which I will buy. Both felt good to me, but different. Both looked good, but different.

I'm going back on Saturday to hit balls outside on the range.

 

[Lefty87]

8 minutes ago, gdb99 said:

I just had an indoor fitting today.

Fitter had me try:

923 Forged

Apex 21

Ping 525

P790

Best shaft for me was the KBS Tour Lite in stiff.

7 iron SS around 80 MPH

He thought the 923 were the best fit for me. I questioned the low spin and the low descent angle.

I asked to try the P770. 3* more loft than the Forged.

Spin went up around 500 RPM's to get around 4300. Descent angle went up around 2* to average above 45*.

Peak height was around 85' with the Forged, 95' with the P770.

P770 is shorter heel to toe and has a thinner sole, to my eye.

923 Forged didn't feel as soft to me as the 919 or 921 Forged.

Kept going back and forth between the Forged and P770. Started to swing the Forged a little better.

Was getting the Forged up over 4200 RPM consistently and landing angle around 44.5*.

P770 was closer to 4500 RPM and 45-46* land angle.

158-160 yards with P770, 162-165 yards with the Forged. Carry distances.

I'm not sure which I will buy. Both felt good to me, but different. Both looked good, but different.

I'm going back on Saturday to hit balls outside on the range.

 

So you got the 770 AND 790, or just the 770?

[gdb99]

Just now, Lefty87 said:

So you got the 770 AND 790, or just the 770?

I didn't get anything.

 

I'm going back on Saturday to hit the P770 and the 923 Forged.

 

The P790 spun way too low for me, peak height was too low, landing angle was too low. Apparently I need more loft with the way I swing the club.

I'm leaning toward the P770 because of this.

[Lefty87]

1 minute ago, gdb99 said:

I didn't get anything.

 

I'm going back on Saturday to hit the P770 and the 923 Forged.

 

The P790 spun way too low for me, peak height was too low, landing angle was too low. Apparently I need more loft with the way I swing the club.

I'm leaning toward the P770 because of this.

Sorry I meant to say “hit”…accidentally typed got. Thanks for the reply. 

[gdb99]

7 minutes ago, Lefty87 said:

Sorry I meant to say “hit”…accidentally typed got. Thanks for the reply. 

Oh!

 

Yes, I hit both. The fitter had me hit the P790. It was obvious he was trying to show me the distance gains of new irons.

I went to the fitting with my Callaway X14 irons. 33* 7 iron.

I asked to hit the P770, because it has more loft. It was an experiment on my end. He was talking about bending irons weak. How about we try more lofted irons?

What it did show me was that irons with similar lofts are more consistent today than irons from the year 2000. 

[Jmccas]

27 minutes ago, gdb99 said:

I just had an indoor fitting today.

Fitter had me try:

923 Forged

Apex 21

Ping 525

P790

Best shaft for me was the KBS Tour Lite in stiff.

7 iron SS around 80 MPH

He thought the 923 were the best fit for me. I questioned the low spin and the low descent angle.

I asked to try the P770. 3* more loft than the Forged.

Spin went up around 500 RPM's to get around 4300. Descent angle went up around 2* to average above 45*.

Peak height was around 85' with the Forged, 95' with the P770.

P770 is shorter heel to toe and has a thinner sole, to my eye.

923 Forged didn't feel as soft to me as the 919 or 921 Forged.

Kept going back and forth between the Forged and P770. Started to swing the Forged a little better.

Was getting the Forged up over 4200 RPM consistently and landing angle around 44.5*.

P770 was closer to 4500 RPM and 45-46* land angle.

158-160 yards with P770, 162-165 yards with the Forged. Carry distances.

I'm not sure which I will buy. Both felt good to me, but different. Both looked good, but different.

I'm going back on Saturday to hit balls outside on the range.

 

Similar swing speed at 80MPH and tend to be low trajectory as well. I fit into the Project X LZ regular flex. It’s heavier weight (115 grams) and I noticed an improvement in height and spin with this shaft. You might want to give it a try. I also got fit into the ZX5. Just food for thought…

[gdb99]

1 minute ago, Jmccas said:

Similar swing speed at 80MPH and tend to be low trajectory as well. I fit into the Project X LZ regular flex. It’s heavier weight (115 grams) and I noticed an improvement in height and spin with this shaft. You might want to give it a try. I also got fit into the ZX5. Just food for thought…

This fitter uses the Mizuno shaft fitting club thing.

Shafts that I "fit" and tried were:

Dynamic Gold 105

KBS Tour

KBS Tour Lite

Nippon Modus 105

 

I have hit the Project X LX regular flex into a net in the past, and it felt very nice.

[sethdavidsdad]

I'm doing a fitting tomorrow. Currently still have 919 HM Pro but have been waiting on the 923 forged.

[Jmccas]

15 minutes ago, gdb99 said:

This fitter uses the Mizuno shaft fitting club thing.

Shafts that I "fit" and tried were:

Dynamic Gold 105

KBS Tour

KBS Tour Lite

Nippon Modus 105

 

I have hit the Project X LX regular flex into a net in the past, and it felt very nice.

There are others that have way more expertise with the Mizuno shaft optimizer but I haven’t found it very accurate for me. I think the shafts you listed came out as the top four for me. 
 

I’m curious if the shafts avail on the optimizer are those only available in their stock matrix and available to order. In the past the C Taper Lite was always recommended but now that it’s not available from Mizuno it’s no longer recommended on the Optimizer. 
 

Edited January 24 by Jmccas

[gdb99]

13 minutes ago, Jmccas said:

There are others that have way more expertise with the Mizuno shaft optimizer but I haven’t found it very accurate for me. I think the shafts you listed came out as the top four for me. 
 

I’m curious if the shafts avail on the optimizer are those only available in their stock matrix and available to order. In the past the C Taper Lite was always recommended but now that it’s not available from Mizuno it’s no longer recommended on the Optimizer. 
 

From my understanding, but I didn't ask what this fitting center does, is that there is an option the fitter can choose when setting up the fitting club. You can get results for shafts only in the Mizuno fitting cart or for any shaft.

[HarborMike]

40 minutes ago, Jmccas said:

Similar swing speed at 80MPH and tend to be low trajectory as well. I fit into the Project X LZ regular flex. It’s heavier weight (115 grams) and I noticed an improvement in height and spin with this shaft. You might want to give it a try. I also got fit into the ZX5. Just food for thought…

I have similar iron swing speed as well. Was fitted a few months back into Mizuno 923 HMPs KBS Tour Lite stiff. Found them to be really enjoyable to hit and probably the most forgiveness in distance dispersion. Like I said in my previous post, gamed the 921Fs for awhile, but just wasn’t that consistent with them. The blade length was too long to me and subconsciously (whether it’s true or not) would promote me hitting more toe strikes (not good for someone who already lives on the toe). Still consider my T100s as my gamers, but been gaming HMPs all winter with great results. Gonna be tough to decide which ones stay in the bag come time for golf season in the Northwest. Also will give the 923F a test run if I decide to combo the short irons. Heard they shortened the blade length which was my biggest gripe.

[Lefty87]

1 hour ago, gdb99 said:

This fitter uses the Mizuno shaft fitting club thing.

Shafts that I "fit" and tried were:

Dynamic Gold 105

KBS Tour

KBS Tour Lite

Nippon Modus 105

 

I have hit the Project X LX regular flex into a net in the past, and it felt very nice.

That’s my li yep as well. I’ve played all except for the regular KBS Tour. Historically, I’ve done best with the DG 105. I played the 919 Forged with the DG 105 and it was an awesome setup. Because I’m a lefty, I haven’t played the forged since the 919. I’m excited to hit the 923 Forged. 

Edited January 24 by Lefty87

[Lefty87]

40 minutes ago, HarborMike said:

I have similar iron swing speed as well. Was fitted a few months back into Mizuno 923 HMPs KBS Tour Lite stiff. Found them to be really enjoyable to hit and probably the most forgiveness in distance dispersion. Like I said in my previous post, gamed the 921Fs for awhile, but just wasn’t that consistent with them. The blade length was too long to me and subconsciously (whether it’s true or not) would promote me hitting more toe strikes (not good for someone who already lives on the toe). Still consider my T100s as my gamers, but been gaming HMPs all winter with great results. Gonna be tough to decide which ones stay in the bag come time for golf season in the Northwest. Also will give the 923F a test run if I decide to combo the short irons. Heard they shortened the blade length which was my biggest gripe.

It sounds kind of crazy, but my miss is on the toe as well, and I’m wondering if a shorter blade length will help with that…or will I just continue to miss off the toe with a shorter blade length too? 

[gdb99]

1 hour ago, HarborMike said:

I have similar iron swing speed as well. Was fitted a few months back into Mizuno 923 HMPs KBS Tour Lite stiff. Found them to be really enjoyable to hit and probably the most forgiveness in distance dispersion. Like I said in my previous post, gamed the 921Fs for awhile, but just wasn’t that consistent with them. The blade length was too long to me and subconsciously (whether it’s true or not) would promote me hitting more toe strikes (not good for someone who already lives on the toe). Still consider my T100s as my gamers, but been gaming HMPs all winter with great results. Gonna be tough to decide which ones stay in the bag come time for golf season in the Northwest. Also will give the 923F a test run if I decide to combo the short irons. Heard they shortened the blade length which was my biggest gripe.

Very interesting! I was hitting the Forged on the toe as well. I always live on the heel side, and I even said that to the fitter.

[TeeTime907]

I went to a local golf shop and hit the fitting 7 iron.  It looks and feels very good.  I look at it and think it's a good revision over the 921 and it's not.  Probably more of a minor change, but I need to see the 8-gw to validate if it's minor. These YouTube reviews might not have seen those clubs either.   I have played the 919F and 921F.  I took a picture and came home and took a picture of my 7 iron.  I can only tell the blade is a little shorter and a longer toe. Top line seems pretty close.  I do think the 923 sit better, maybe that's the better turf interaction.   What I'm curious about is the 8-GW ( it's what I ordered 5-gw). The HMP are definitely more refined on those clubs.  I like the looks better than my 921F.  Hopefully the 923F are better on those irons 8-GW, because the 7 is fairly close.

 

here is a few pics.  First two are the 923 and last one is 921 (darker green)

Edited January 25 by TeeTime907

[AC810]

1 minute ago, TeeTime907 said:

I went to a local golf shop and hit the fitting 7 iron.  It looks and feels very good.  I look at it and think it's a good revision over the 921 and it's not.  I have played the 919F and 921F.  I took a picture and came home and took a picture of my 7 iron.  I can only tell the blade is a little shorter. Top line seems pretty close.  I do think the 923 sit better, maybe that's the better turf interaction.   What I'm curious about is the 8-GW ( it's what I ordered). The HMP are definitely more refined on those clubs.  I like the looks better than my 921F.  Hopefully the 923F are better on those irons 8-GW, because the 7 is really close.

 

here is a few pics.  First two are the 923 and last one is 921 (darker green)

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Is it just me, or is the top line smaller on the 921?

[TeeTime907]

2 minutes ago, AC810 said:

Is it just me, or is the top line smaller on the 921?

Almost seem like that.  But all these reviews haven't showed us the 8-gw.  I think that's where some changes are. Hopefully.

[TeeTime907]

30 minutes ago, AC810 said:

Is it just me, or is the top line smaller on the 921?

Almost seem like that.  But all these reviews haven't showed us the 8-gw.  I think that's where some changes are. Hopefully.

 

here is the Face of the 921f and 923f. I do believe the toe is Longer on the 923F.  I like the shorter head and taller toe better.

Edited January 25 by TeeTime907

[sethdavidsdad]

Just got fit for 923 forged. Stuck with my Modus 120x although he pushed me to the the 115x. Decided to soft step this time. Getting a little older, haha

[renobleiii]

Headed to Mizuno today for a fitting at their store. Gonna hit 923F, HMP, and maybe one more.