JPX 923 Forged

[Seidinho]

19 hours ago, JermWRX said:

I'm very disappointed in my Mizuno irons. I got a set of 923 HMP and the gapping was atrocious. I worked with my local pro shop and also did some self fitting. I got rid of HMP 8-G and replaced them with 923 Forged. Gaps are still terrible. I weakened some lofts, but I just think these sets are poorly designed. They shouldn't need so much tweaking which changes offset and turf interaction, just to try to get some sort of manageable gaps. Shop owner says that lots of folks are bringing them back to be adjusted. The front to back dispersion for a single iron is fine. The gaps between irons is awful. 20 yard gaps between some, and 8 yard gaps between others is unplayable. Very disappointed in my purchase. Probably going to eat the money loss in trading them in and go for i230. Shop owner had one customer who added a 921 Forged PW and GW to his 923 HMP 5-PW set just to try to make the gaps work. So they're carrying 2 PW's, 923 HMP at 42* and 921 Forged at 46*. 921 Forged GW at 50*. 

 

Sounds awful, but read some of the same regarding the MP223. Looks like Mizuno has not done a good job with the transition between multi-material construction vs single piece clubs. I haven't come across similar issues for some of the  other brands who do that.  

[klebs01]

42 minutes ago, Seidinho said:

 

Sounds awful, but read some of the same regarding the MP223. Looks like Mizuno has not done a good job with the transition between multi-material construction vs single piece clubs. I haven't come across similar issues for some of the  other brands who do that.  

I wish they made one MP single material, traditional loft cavity back. Basically bring back the MP53 with copper. 

[Inglewood]

Not sounding promising for Mizuno lately...yikes.

[Seidinho]

Between the issues with the P770 and this with Mizuno, + some of the stories about cobra not installing the grips right, things are kind of a mess all around. 

[Inglewood]

19 minutes ago, Seidinho said:

Between the issues with the P770 and this with Mizuno, + some of the stories about cobra not installing the grips right, things are kind of a mess all around. 

Welcome to the golf industry, post covid.  LOL

[JermWRX]

43 minutes ago, Seidinho said:

Between the issues with the P770 and this with Mizuno, + some of the stories about cobra not installing the grips right, things are kind of a mess all around. 

Crazy. I always thought of Mizuno being top of the heap when it came to quality. So far I haven't read anything but rave reviews about the i230. I'm not exactly psyched about dropping 1500 on irons when I just blew about the same on my Mizuno's, but I'm definitely thinking about it.

[LongStaff]

30 minutes ago, JermWRX said:

Crazy. I always thought of Mizuno being top of the heap when it came to quality. So far I haven't read anything but rave reviews about the i230. I'm not exactly psyched about dropping 1500 on irons when I just blew about the same on my Mizuno's, but I'm definitely thinking about it.

I’m still waiting for my order to ship and arrive. I do expect to have some lofts adjusted after I receive them. 4-5 hmp, 7-gw forged. I ordered the 4,5,gw 1 weak from the factory. I’ll do an extensive gapping session on trackman at the course I work at. Then take to local shop for adjustments. Gapping is becoming more of an issue nowadays with the strong lofts and hot faces. But if ya can get them dialed in, the distance gains are nice for someone getting older like myself. 

[klebs01]

53 minutes ago, JermWRX said:

Crazy. I always thought of Mizuno being top of the heap when it came to quality. So far I haven't read anything but rave reviews about the i230. I'm not exactly psyched about dropping 1500 on irons when I just blew about the same on my Mizuno's, but I'm definitely thinking about it.

I’ve had a number of issues with mizunos not coming with the correct specs from the factory over the past couple years. Unfortunately, not sure there is a better option. 

[this_is_golf]

On 3/1/2023 at 8:02 PM, JermWRX said:

I'm very disappointed in my Mizuno irons. I got a set of 923 HMP and the gapping was atrocious. I worked with my local pro shop and also did some self fitting. I got rid of HMP 8-G and replaced them with 923 Forged. Gaps are still terrible. I weakened some lofts, but I just think these sets are poorly designed. They shouldn't need so much tweaking which changes offset and turf interaction, just to try to get some sort of manageable gaps. Shop owner says that lots of folks are bringing them back to be adjusted. The front to back dispersion for a single iron is fine. The gaps between irons is awful. 20 yard gaps between some, and 8 yard gaps between others is unplayable. Very disappointed in my purchase. Probably going to eat the money loss in trading them in and go for i230. Shop owner had one customer who added a 921 Forged PW and GW to his 923 HMP 5-PW set just to try to make the gaps work. So they're carrying 2 PW's, 923 HMP at 42* and 921 Forged at 46*. 921 Forged GW at 50*. 

If you don’t mind me asking, what were your gapping issues and yardages with the HMP? I picked them up and had a nice round outside (trip to FL) but won’t be able to get back outside for weeks living in New England. 

[JermWRX]

1 minute ago, this_is_golf said:

If you don’t mind me asking, what were your gapping issues and yardages with the HMP? I picked them up and had a nice round outside (trip to FL) but won’t be able to get back outside for weeks living in New England. 

Averages within a couple yards:

5i  200

6i 180

7i 175

8i 165

9i 145

PW 140

GW 120
 

 

I feel your pain of being in NE. I'm on my way to Arizona in a couple of weeks and I'm counting the days!

[bogeypro]

7 hours ago, klebs01 said:

I wish they made one MP single material, traditional loft cavity back. Basically bring back the MP53 with copper. 

Jpx 923 tour is your club.  I'm loving mine.  Exactly what you described.  

[Seidinho]

1 hour ago, bogeypro said:

Jpx 923 tour is your club.  I'm loving mine.  Exactly what you described.  

 
 

i feel like the tours are a bit less forgiving / more player‘s cb style, than Zx7, T100, i230. Probably more in the P7MC bucket. 

[OspreyCI]

Any updates on this. Looking to pickup a used set of 921F or 923F. Does the 923F warrant the extra cash? Been doing my research and some say not much and some say they are better. Coming from P790’s. I need that loving feeling!! 

[onafriday]

The Pings aren’t the longest, but dang if they aren’t the most dependable. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by onafriday

[AC810]

Interesting to hear gapping issues with Mizuno. I just went on a golf trip and first rounds played with my new 223s. 6 was going barely any farther than 7, and PW was about 5 yards long than my 50° GW. 

[JermWRX]

25 minutes ago, AC810 said:

Interesting to hear gapping issues with Mizuno. I just went on a golf trip and first rounds played with my new 223s. 6 was going barely any farther than 7, and PW was about 5 yards long than my 50° GW. 

It's definitely a bummer for those of us that like Mizuno. It's clearly a big issue. I'm not sure where to go next. I think I'm gonna try i230, if I can get used to clubs that are shorter than what my bag is set up for. Might have to ditch the 3W to add a 4 hybrid.

[Jim53]

1 hour ago, AC810 said:

Interesting to hear gapping issues with Mizuno. I just went on a golf trip and first rounds played with my new 223s. 6 was going barely any farther than 7, and PW was about 5 yards long than my 50° GW. 

With the QC issues that have been talked about it could be a loft issue, I never trust any OEM to get it right from the factory.

Way too many instances of lofts and lies being all over the place, I even had some Miura's (TC 201) way off and they are supposed to be the gold standard, now they were built by a secondary but highly respected builder so it could have happened there, but still it sucks for those of us (most of us) that do not have a L/ L machine or easy access to one that also can be trusted to not damage the clubs while doing the checking and adjusting. 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Jim53

[JermWRX]

1 hour ago, Jim53 said:

With the QC issues that have been talked about it could be a loft issue, I never trust any OEM to get it right from the factory.

Way too many instances of lofts and lies being all over the place, I even had some Miura's (TC 201) way off and they are supposed to be the gold standard, now they were built by a secondary but highly respected builder so it could have happened there, but still it sucks for those of us (most of us) that do not have a L/ L machine or easy access to one that also can be trusted to not damage the clubs while doing the checking and adjusting. 

Just my experience, but I had my lofts and lies checked and they were spot on to factory built specs. Gapping is still awful.

[Lftygolfnut]

I’ve only been able to hit these a bit at the range so far so can’t speak to distance gaping but these feel perfectly fine to me on pure shots. I see a lot of comparisons in feel to models with copper underlay but I think they’re more than adequate and not a whole lot different to the 223’s I’ve hit previously. 

[iNeedMoreGolf]

This gapping talk is scaring 😨 the gap out of me. Sounds awful but im curious at the same time because everyone is different. Its just hard to hear such issues.

[Jmccas]

10 hours ago, iNeedMoreGolf said:

This gapping talk is scaring 😨 the gap out of me. Sounds awful but im curious at the same time because everyone is different. Its just hard to hear such issues.

It is indeed disheartening to hear.  I am probably going to do an iron fitting soon and I'd really like to test the Forged.  The 921 looks wise just did not do it for me....

 

I'd like to know the average 7 swing speed of those with and without gapping issues. It is just a guess but I wonder if the gapping issues are primarily higher swing speed players.  I like the idea of a progressive set of irons but not everybody needs help at the same iron within the set.  Those with higher swing speeds need less help which I suspect it is the cause of the gapping issues.  There might be a breakeven point where players with swing speeds north of certain swing speed should not even consider the Forged set. 

[Kdgolf]

14 hours ago, iNeedMoreGolf said:

This gapping talk is scaring 😨 the gap out of me. Sounds awful but im curious at the same time because everyone is different. Its just hard to hear such issues.

I’m very curious as well with everyone’s gapping issues. Is it simply the difference in club materials? Is it weighting and cog location? Lofts usually will dictate distance but is material’s used is offsetting the lofts? I’ve had these for about a month and haven’t really noticed the gapping issues others have had? Could definitely be the player and not the club I suppose.

[iNeedMoreGolf]

6 hours ago, Jmccas said:

It is indeed disheartening to hear.  I am probably going to do an iron fitting soon and I'd really like to test the Forged.  The 921 looks wise just did not do it for me....

 

I'd like to know the average 7 swing speed of those with and without gapping issues. It is just a guess but I wonder if the gapping issues are primarily higher swing speed players.  I like the idea of a progressive set of irons but not everybody needs help at the same iron within the set.  Those with higher swing speeds need less help which I suspect it is the cause of the gapping issues.  There might be a breakeven point where players with swing speeds north of certain swing speed should not even consider the Forged set. 

Thats exactly what i was thinking. Maybe its effecting only high swing speed players? I swing driver 94 to tops 99 so im just average. Not sure what that translates to 7 iron but i know it aint fast. 

[iNeedMoreGolf]

2 hours ago, Kdgolf said:

I’m very curious as well with everyone’s gapping issues. Is it simply the difference in club materials? Is it weighting and cog location? Lofts usually will dictate distance but is material’s used is offsetting the lofts? I’ve had these for about a month and haven’t really noticed the gapping issues others have had? Could definitely be the player and not the club I suppose.

Are you fast or average swing speed? Glad someone is hitting normal distances.

[noodle3872]

I’m curious if those with gapping issues have had their lies and lofts checked and adjusted before claiming they have gapping issues. I think we all know OEM finished specs don’t always end up bang on the OEM’s published spec. 

[this_is_golf]

Yes, many have had them checked and altered to try to fix their issues. 

[benz5521]

Or you could just suck like me and gapping issues aren’t a concern because you aren’t consistent enough to notice. 

[Kdgolf]

4 hours ago, iNeedMoreGolf said:

Are you fast or average swing speed? Glad someone is hitting normal distances.

Yes, so fast… 😒

 

Probably just haven’t had enough time with them to find out.

[Kdgolf]

1 hour ago, benz5521 said:

Or you could just suck like me and gapping issues aren’t a concern because you aren’t consistent enough to notice. 

Likely my case

[klebs01]

On 3/21/2023 at 7:06 PM, Jim53 said:

With the QC issues that have been talked about it could be a loft issue, I never trust any OEM to get it right from the factory.

Way too many instances of lofts and lies being all over the place, I even had some Miura's (TC 201) way off and they are supposed to be the gold standard, now they were built by a secondary but highly respected builder so it could have happened there, but still it sucks for those of us (most of us) that do not have a L/ L machine or easy access to one that also can be trusted to not damage the clubs while doing the checking and adjusting. 

this is my solution. Just bought a L/L machine over the winter. Confirmed my gapping issues (mizunos, but not 923 forged). Glad I can fix them now.