Paradym and Epic Flash Sub Zero had a baby....

[noodle3872]

This driver is in Justin Rose's bag at Farmers.  Any details available @JohnnyCallaway?

[NNJ]

Must resist…you are fine with your rogue st td…you do not need another difficult to find your driver…

 

it’s not working, get this in my bag asap 

[Corey Pavins Moustache]

[tigercolt77]

Oh wow!  This absolutely has my FULL attention.

[Avidswampthing66]

Ahhhh the single diamond strikes again.  Hope to get my hands on this

[Esco9]

What launch/spin characteristics would this have compared to the others we have seen

[Mp14forlife]

Would this be just a way to lower spin off the standard paradym? Maybe keep the bigger head shape?

[Bskib]

More callaway heads not available to the public. Classic

[SwingBlues]

18 minutes ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Ahhhh the single diamond strikes again.  Hope to get my hands on this

 

..thought that is the Paradym Version 2 as reported in the other thread

 

❤ it

[jomatty]

When Johnny Wunder was telling the TXG guys that they were not making other models and all of their staff would be in the paradym or the TD I was suspecting that would not be the case…

[Mp14forlife]

7 minutes ago, jomatty said:

When Johnny Wunder was telling the TXG guys that they were not making other models and all of their staff would be in the paradym or the TD I was suspecting that would not be the case…

Car salesman! The lot of em!

[lookylookitzadam]

18 minutes ago, jomatty said:

When Johnny Wunder was telling the TXG guys that they were not making other models and all of their staff would be in the paradym or the TD I was suspecting that would not be the case…

 

[Avidswampthing66]

1 hour ago, Mp14forlife said:

Would this be just a way to lower spin off the standard paradym? Maybe keep the bigger head shape?

To me it appears to be a smaller head w/ more weight forward and lower loft.  Those three things + adjustability = how can I get oneeeee.  Damnit Callaway

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Avidswampthing66

[Tommyboi95]

@noodle3872

[GHIN n Juice]

Well, at least now I can continue telling people that I could hit it 340 too, if only I could get my hands on a tour only head.

[third-times-a-charm]

This is not official, but...

 

Its probably (based off previous years) a standard Paradym in 450cc instead of 460cc and had the shaping of the TD model such as sharper crown but will also be slightly lower spin and neutral/fade biased as opposed to neutral/draw biased for the retail model. And obviously ability to take the spin down a bit more with the front weight port.

 

So whether you want to call it a more forgiving/spinning TD model or a less forgiving/spinning standard model is up to you.

[NoCalHack]

Amazing how everyone wants something they can't have.

 

 

Here's the info.  On Johnny's website.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://worldofwunder.callawaygolf.com/the-american-express-championship-monday-photo-gallery/

 

 

[FifeRiviera]

1 minute ago, NoCalHack said:

Amazing how everyone wants something they can't have.

 

 

Here's the info.  On Johnny's website.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://worldofwunder.callawaygolf.com/the-american-express-championship-monday-photo-gallery/

 

 

 

 

I do not believe him. 

 

[NoCalHack]

 

 

Just now, FifeRiviera said:

 

 

I do not believe him. 

 

 

 

Why not?   Even with Callaway stuff?  

 

 

Not the same people but poor Johnny took a beating for saying the i230 power spec weren't bent.  

 

[FifeRiviera]

First it was no one was using stuff not on the rack, now its "only a few", next its half... 

[third-times-a-charm]

8 minutes ago, FifeRiviera said:

First it was no one was using stuff not on the rack, now its "only a few", next its half... 

Technically ALL Callaway tour players will ALWAYS be playing different drivers because they have thicker faces on them which makes it physically a completely different head. 

[jomatty]

1 hour ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Technically ALL Callaway tour players will ALWAYS be playing different drivers because they have thicker faces on them which makes it physically a completely different head. 

I didn’t realize this.  All the true tour models have thicker faces?  Even the TD?  Ole Mr. Wunder certainly didn’t mention that

[Avidswampthing66]

2 hours ago, jomatty said:

I didn’t realize this.  All the true tour models have thicker faces?  Even the TD?  Ole Mr. Wunder certainly didn’t mention that

He is certainly a spokesperson and "salesman" if you will for Callaway, but I did hear him say last year all tour models have thicker faces etc.  That being said, I think he made a mistake by saying there were only 3 models this year.   When you do that, the golfwrx bombers are waiting to slaughter you.  lololol

 

He could have just said, "we are only releasing 3 retail models with Paradym, but like years before we will be making tour heads for our stable of Tour Pros".   But here we are...

[Bskib]

11 minutes ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

He is certainly a spokesperson and "salesman" if you will for Callaway, but I did hear him say last year all tour models have thicker faces etc.  That being said, I think he made a mistake by saying there were only 3 models this year.   When you do that, the golfwrx bombers are waiting to slaughter you.  lololol

 

He could have just said, "we are only releasing 3 retail models with Paradym, but like years before we will be making tour heads for our stable of Tour Pros".   But here we are...

Don't say something on a social media platform if it isn't true and you don't want to be crucified for it I say.

[MakersMarsh3]

Can we also talk about the fact that it’s battling a 2016 M2?!?! 
 

JR is searching!!

[NoCalHack]

17 minutes ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

He is certainly a spokesperson and "salesman" if you will for Callaway, but I did hear him say last year all tour models have thicker faces etc.  That being said, I think he made a mistake by saying there were only 3 models this year.   When you do that, the golfwrx bombers are waiting to slaughter you.  lololol

 

He could have just said, "we are only releasing 3 retail models with Paradym, but like years before we will be making tour heads for our stable of Tour Pros".   But here we are...

 

 

I think it's unfair to skewer him.  Johnny works for Callaway.  It's his job to hype their product.  Also, I don't think he said anything misleading.

 

There are a lot of people who will never believe tour players play the same stuff no matter what you say.  And there is always this idea that tour issue stuff is "better for better players", "anti-hook", or "lower ballflight".   Since everyone here seems to have 180 ball speed and struggle with high hooks, this is of course going to be appealing to those players.

 

In the case of Callaway, sure, there are models that are tour only.  But the fact is that most guys use the 3D which is retail.  This particular model seems to be a niche tour model, seems to be more forgiving than 3D model they released to the general public, which most pros are using anyways.  Last year, they had a 3D model which was actually higher spin and launch than the LS, which was tour only. So you can't please people by withholding the low spin tour head and you can't please people by withholding the slightly more forgiving head that a couple tour guys are using.  

 

Let's see how many pros actually game this head.  The 3 models they released will probably fit 99% of golfers here and its silly and confusing to release more than that for equipment message board people. Why are people so pissed about it?  If you want one of these heads and you actually think it will help your game then then you can probably pay through the nose for one.  Or play your way on tour.  

 

[Mp14forlife]

23 minutes ago, NoCalHack said:

 

 

I think it's unfair to skewer him.  Johnny works for Callaway.  It's his job to hype their product.  Also, I don't think he said anything misleading.

 

There are a lot of people who will never believe tour players play the same stuff no matter what you say.  And there is always this idea that tour issue stuff is "better for better players", "anti-hook", or "lower ballflight".   Since everyone here seems to have 180 ball speed and struggle with high hooks, this is of course going to be appealing to those players.

 

In the case of Callaway, sure, there are models that are tour only.  But the fact is that most guys use the 3D which is retail.  This particular model seems to be a niche tour model, seems to be more forgiving than 3D model they released to the general public, which most pros are using anyways.  Last year, they had a 3D model which was actually higher spin and launch than the LS, which was tour only. So you can't please people by withholding the low spin tour head and you can't please people by withholding the slightly more forgiving head that a couple tour guys are using.  

 

Let's see how many pros actually game this head.  The 3 models they released will probably fit 99% of golfers here and its silly and confusing to release more than that for equipment message board people. Why are people so pissed about it?  If you want one of these heads and you actually think it will help your game then then you can probably pay through the nose for one.  Or play your way on tour.  

 

I think it's just the pitch/claim that upsets folks. At $599 it ain't cheap and folks rightfully or wrongfully are wanting to use what the guys on TV are using and you have a pitch guy saying they can. Or can they? 

[Bskib]

1 hour ago, NoCalHack said:

 

 

I think it's unfair to skewer him.  Johnny works for Callaway.  It's his job to hype their product.  Also, I don't think he said anything misleading.

 

There are a lot of people who will never believe tour players play the same stuff no matter what you say.  And there is always this idea that tour issue stuff is "better for better players", "anti-hook", or "lower ballflight".   Since everyone here seems to have 180 ball speed and struggle with high hooks, this is of course going to be appealing to those players.

 

In the case of Callaway, sure, there are models that are tour only.  But the fact is that most guys use the 3D which is retail.  This particular model seems to be a niche tour model, seems to be more forgiving than 3D model they released to the general public, which most pros are using anyways.  Last year, they had a 3D model which was actually higher spin and launch than the LS, which was tour only. So you can't please people by withholding the low spin tour head and you can't please people by withholding the slightly more forgiving head that a couple tour guys are using.  

 

Let's see how many pros actually game this head.  The 3 models they released will probably fit 99% of golfers here and its silly and confusing to release more than that for equipment message board people. Why are people so pissed about it?  If you want one of these heads and you actually think it will help your game then then you can probably pay through the nose for one.  Or play your way on tour.  

 

I'd have way more respect for Johnny if he just came out and said yes we have tons of tour specific heads that the public can't have and won't ever have because we don't get paid to play a game.  Dude openly plays a bunch of clubs that the public can't get, good for him.  I'm sure he has earned that right.

 

It's the all encompassing statements that get me: "Every staffer will be playing one of these 3 heads".  Call it a lie, call it misleading, call it what you will. Callaway has a history of misleading rather openly the public about its products.  Driver heads, golf balls and those are the ones that we know about.  Srixon, doesn't seem to have this problem, PING, Taylormade.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Bskib

[ob1soccer]

johnny wonder is that his real name?

[BagofToast]

4 hours ago, Bskib said:

I'd have way more respect for Johnny if he just came out and said yes we have tons of tour specific heads that the public can't have and won't ever have because we don't get paid to play a game.  Dude openly plays a bunch of clubs that the public can't get, good for him.  I'm sure he has earned that right.

 

It's the all encompassing statements that get me: "Every staffer will be playing one of these 3 heads".  Call it a lie, call it misleading, call it what you will. Callaway has a history of misleading rather openly the public about its products.  Driver heads, golf balls and those are the ones that we know about.  Srixon, doesn't seem to have this problem, PING, Taylormade.

Taylormade is starting to have this problem, not particularly with drivers though.