Paradym and Epic Flash Sub Zero had a baby....

[QuigleyDU]

On 1/23/2023 at 4:13 PM, noodle3872 said:

This driver is in Justin Rose's bag at Farmers.  Any details available @JohnnyCallaway?

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I don’t think Johnny is coming around anymore.

 

 

[third-times-a-charm]

So lets tally this year's tour only offerings;

 

Titleist; 1 models - 16.5 TSR2+

 

Taylormade; 2 models - 16.5 and 13.5 Plus/Rocket fairways tour-only

 

Callaway; 27 models - TD 7 wood bonded fairway, Paradym 'standard tour' driver, paradym 'TD S' driver, Bonded fairways in all models, TD T fairway models, Apex UW 23*, maybe a few more I'm missing 😂

Edited January 25, 2023 by third-times-a-charm

[FifeRiviera]

17 hours ago, MakersMarsh3 said:

Can we also talk about the fact that it’s battling a 2016 M2?!?! 
 

JR is searching!!

 

Have you hit a M2 lately? Easily still a top 5 driver available*.

[FifeRiviera]

2 minutes ago, third-times-a-charm said:

So lets tally this year's tour only offerings;

 

Titleist; 1 models - 16.5 TSR2+

 

Taylormade; 2 models - 16.5 and 13.5 Plus/Rocket fairways tour-only

 

Callaway; 27 models - TD 7 wood bonded fairway, Paradym 'standard tour' driver, paradym 'TD S' driver, Bonded fairways in all models, TD T fairway models, Apex UW 23*, maybe a few more I'm missing 😂

 

UW 15* 

 

Mavs weird things

[KingTitus]

2 minutes ago, third-times-a-charm said:

So lets tally this year's tour only offerings;

 

Titleist; 1 models - 16.5 TSR2+

 

Taylormade; 2 models - 16.5 and 13.5 Plus/Rocket fairways tour-only

 

Callaway; 27 models - TD 7 wood bonded fairway, Paradym 'standard tour' driver, paradym 'TD S' driver, Bonded fairways in all models, TD T fairway models, Apex UW 23*, maybe a few more I'm missing 😂

Callaway also has a tour issue utility iron as well with less offset, a thinner sole and interchangeable weight screw similar in design to their MB. 

[third-times-a-charm]

2 minutes ago, FifeRiviera said:

 

UW 15* 

 

Mavs weird things

Eh, we can give them a pass on those and just call them cool R&D projects if they truly are 1-offs like the Frittelli AW and etc.

[FifeRiviera]

Just now, third-times-a-charm said:

Eh, we can give them a pass on those and just call them cool R&D projects if they truly are 1-offs like the Frittelli AW and etc.

 

Yes fair although if i never have to look at Mavs 10 iron again life will be better. 

[jaffabell]

17 hours ago, MakersMarsh3 said:

Can we also talk about the fact that it’s battling a 2016 M2?!?! 
 

JR is searching!!

Thats because driver tech hasn't made drivers any better or any longer since the 16 M2 🙂

 

But we like new and shiny things, and believe the hype at checkout 🙂 

[benthegolfer]

22 hours ago, NoCalHack said:

Amazing how everyone wants something they can't have.

 

 

Here's the info.  On Johnny's website.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://worldofwunder.callawaygolf.com/the-american-express-championship-monday-photo-gallery/

 

 

It will probably be released in June after the fact in a reduced quantity like all of the other limited heads have been. 

[BagofToast]

4 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

So lets tally this year's tour only offerings;

 

Titleist; 1 models - 16.5 TSR2+

 

Taylormade; 2 models - 16.5 and 13.5 Plus/Rocket fairways tour-only

 

Callaway; 27 models - TD 7 wood bonded fairway, Paradym 'standard tour' driver, paradym 'TD S' driver, Bonded fairways in all models, TD T fairway models, Apex UW 23*, maybe a few more I'm missing 😂

TM has tour only wedge bounces and grinds 

[MakersMarsh3]

9 hours ago, FifeRiviera said:

 

Have you hit a M2 lately? Easily still a top 5 driver available*.

 

8 hours ago, jaffabell said:

Thats because driver tech hasn't made drivers any better or any longer since the 16 M2 🙂

 

But we like new and shiny things, and believe the hype at checkout 🙂 

I’m with y’all

BIG fan of the ‘16 M2 driver and DF fairways

Just still very surprising

 

do we know which he put in play??

 

[bladehunter]

14 hours ago, FifeRiviera said:

 

Yes fair although if i never have to look at Mavs 10 iron again life will be better. 

You’ll be pleased to see his 11 iron then ! 

[AlohaPineapple]

15 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

So lets tally this year's tour only offerings;

 

Titleist; 1 models - 16.5 TSR2+

 

Taylormade; 2 models - 16.5 and 13.5 Plus/Rocket fairways tour-only

 

Callaway; 27 models - TD 7 wood bonded fairway, Paradym 'standard tour' driver, paradym 'TD S' driver, Bonded fairways in all models, TD T fairway models, Apex UW 23*, maybe a few more I'm missing 😂

 

😍 oh man was not aware of the tsr2+ 16.5*, sounds perfect

[st1800e]

JR’s driver, similar to the sub zero in the 2018 Rogue.  Retailed, but you’d need a high swing speed to get that up. Even then it might not be the best.  

[My2Dogs]

On 1/23/2023 at 6:22 PM, Avidswampthing66 said:

Ahhhh the single diamond strikes again.  Hope to get my hands on this

I believe that’s just a tour version because of the 8.5 degree head as it has the weight track in the back.  

[My2Dogs]

1 minute ago, My2Dogs said:

I believe that’s just a tour version because of the 8.5 degree head as it has the weight track in the back.  

Sorry guys, I answered before reading the entire thread.   

[jhford00]

On 1/24/2023 at 11:46 AM, jomatty said:

I didn’t realize this.  All the true tour models have thicker faces?  Even the TD?  Ole Mr. Wunder certainly didn’t mention that

Hang on. Have I been living under a rock? When did tour faces become thicker? Is that just for Callaway or every company? minds a bit blown if true. 

[third-times-a-charm]

54 minutes ago, jhford00 said:

Hang on. Have I been living under a rock? When did tour faces become thicker? Is that just for Callaway or every company? minds a bit blown if true. 

Its true. Johnny has said it in regards to Callaway tour products many times; saying that your players dont want cracked clubs due to how many balls they hit and want the same club all season long so Callaway puts thicker faces on the TC serials.

[car1]

1 hour ago, jhford00 said:

Hang on. Have I been living under a rock? When did tour faces become thicker? Is that just for Callaway or every company? minds a bit blown if true. 

They don’t want drivers out on tour failing the CT testing. 

[Avidswampthing66]

5 minutes ago, car1 said:

They don’t want drivers out on tour failing the CT testing. 

If thats the case, then retail sounds like there is more potential for speed i.e rebound effect.   Thinner face with more flex/spring = more speed and also, a slight higher chance for cracking?  These are all small margins I know, but it is interesting to think about.

[B.Easy]

1 hour ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Its true. Johnny has said it in regards to Callaway tour products many times; saying that your players dont want cracked clubs due to how many balls they hit and want the same club all season long so Callaway puts thicker faces on the TC serials.

 

This is 100% true.  Played golf last summer with the lead engineer for the Rogue ST Triple D and acoustics engineer.  I was trying to not be annoying and ask too many WRX'y questions, but I did ask about the tour heads.  Not just thicker faces, but sometimes different Ti-alloys tweaked for strength and consistency.  Retail heads will test out of compliance within a few months due to how many balls a pro hits in the middle of the face at high speeds. Also, he stated that you will have slower ball speeds out of the middle with a tour head if you're not at least 115+ SS.  

 

He said a lot of other intriguing things as well.  It was actually one of the more excruciating rounds I've played because I had to constantly fight the urge to verbal diarrhea him with douchey WRX'y questions for 4.5 hours!  PAIN! 

[buckeyefl]

On 1/24/2023 at 3:33 PM, NoCalHack said:

 

 

I think it's unfair to skewer him.  Johnny works for Callaway.  It's his job to hype their product.  Also, I don't think he said anything misleading.

 

There are a lot of people who will never believe tour players play the same stuff no matter what you say.  And there is always this idea that tour issue stuff is "better for better players", "anti-hook", or "lower ballflight".   Since everyone here seems to have 180 ball speed and struggle with high hooks, this is of course going to be appealing to those players.

 

In the case of Callaway, sure, there are models that are tour only.  But the fact is that most guys use the 3D which is retail.  This particular model seems to be a niche tour model, seems to be more forgiving than 3D model they released to the general public, which most pros are using anyways.  Last year, they had a 3D model which was actually higher spin and launch than the LS, which was tour only. So you can't please people by withholding the low spin tour head and you can't please people by withholding the slightly more forgiving head that a couple tour guys are using.  

 

Let's see how many pros actually game this head.  The 3 models they released will probably fit 99% of golfers here and its silly and confusing to release more than that for equipment message board people. Why are people so pissed about it?  If you want one of these heads and you actually think it will help your game then then you can probably pay through the nose for one.  Or play your way on tour.  

 

 

No its absolutely warranted.

 

Hyping does not require lying, and make no mistake he was knowingly lying... again.

 

These other heads had already been manufactured and tested by tour players so he knew damn well that it wouldn't just be three heads that EVERYONE was using.

 

He really doesn't have any credibility left which is not a good thing for someone in his position.

 

The LYING is the big problem.

[TheMoneyShot]

7 hours ago, buckeyefl said:

 

No its absolutely warranted.

 

Hyping does not require lying, and make no mistake he was knowingly lying... again.

 

These other heads had already been manufactured and tested by tour players so he knew damn well that it wouldn't just be three heads that EVERYONE was using.

 

He really doesn't have any credibility left which is not a good thing for someone in his position.

 

The LYING is the big problem.

Sad but true unfortunately.  
 

He has definitely lost some credibility with the true gear heads who eat and breathe this stuff.  

Edited January 28, 2023 by TheMoneyShot

[third-times-a-charm]

1 minute ago, TheMoneyShot said:

Sad but true unfortunately.  
 

He has definitely lost some credibility with the true gear heads who eat and breathe this stuff.  

Eh, I'm not really upset with him as much as you guys are. I guess I have a soft spot for Callaway but it's a given that there will be tour only models 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

JW was always willing to answer really minute and esoteric questions we had and I'm sure his time was better spent elsewhere on social rather than here so he didnt absolutely have to; but he did.

 

If he really isnt coming back to WRX to answer questions that would be a shame but I get it.

[TheMoneyShot]

3 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Eh, I'm not really upset with him as much as you guys are. I guess I have a soft spot for Callaway but it's a given that there will be tour only models 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

JW was always willing to answer really minute and esoteric questions we had and I'm sure his time was better spent elsewhere on social rather than here so he didnt absolutely have to; but he did.

 

If he really isnt coming back to WRX to answer questions that would be a shame but I get it.

I’m sure JW will resurface here again once that Cally job ends.  Those positions don’t last for ever you know.  

[jhford00]

On 1/27/2023 at 11:45 PM, B.Easy said:

 

This is 100% true.  Played golf last summer with the lead engineer for the Rogue ST Triple D and acoustics engineer.  I was trying to not be annoying and ask too many WRX'y questions, but I did ask about the tour heads.  Not just thicker faces, but sometimes different Ti-alloys tweaked for strength and consistency.  Retail heads will test out of compliance within a few months due to how many balls a pro hits in the middle of the face at high speeds. Also, he stated that you will have slower ball speeds out of the middle with a tour head if you're not at least 115+ SS.  

 

He said a lot of other intriguing things as well.  It was actually one of the more excruciating rounds I've played because I had to constantly fight the urge to verbal diarrhea him with douchey WRX'y questions for 4.5 hours!  PAIN! 

Does that apply to all manufacturers when it comes to the swing speed 115+  or is that just specific to Callaway?

 

wonder if a thicker stealth face would help our hurt the debonding issues some have had. 

[Avidswampthing66]

On 1/29/2023 at 6:54 AM, jhford00 said:

Does that apply to all manufacturers when it comes to the swing speed 115+  or is that just specific to Callaway?

 

wonder if a thicker stealth face would help our hurt the debonding issues some have had. 

Johnny Wunder was on todays Q&A with the TXG boys.  Fast forward to about 30-40 min in and someone asks what the difference was. He had a tour head and talked about it.

[buckeyefl]

On 1/28/2023 at 3:48 PM, TheMoneyShot said:

Sad but true unfortunately.  
 

He has definitely lost some credibility with the true gear heads who eat and breathe this stuff.  

 

 

Now today hes on TXG live carrying around the head talked about here and saying that the S will not be released to the public. 

 

I really hope they ask the question that needs asked. "I thought you said everyone was playing one of the three heads?"

[buckeyefl]

1 hour ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Johnny Wunder was on todays Q&A with the TXG boys.  Fast forward to about 30-40 min in and someone asks what the difference was. He had a tour head and talked about it.

 

 

At this point can we believe him?

 

He could be saying that just to get people to stop asking for heads from the tour.

 

Ok I am off to get some more tinfoil.

[TheMoneyShot]

2 hours ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Johnny Wunder was on todays Q&A with the TXG boys.  Fast forward to about 30-40 min in and someone asks what the difference was. He had a tour head and talked about it.

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I can’t find that link anywhere, can you post it here by chance?