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Lately, 70+ gram wood shafts are for strong swings.  I'd like to find that weight in a softer flex and profile.  And less than say $60.  Any suggestions?

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14 minutes ago, Snowman9000 said:

Lately, 70+ gram wood shafts are for strong swings.  I'd like to find that weight in a softer flex and profile.  And less than say $60.  Any suggestions?

 

Blue = easily doable.  Red = more difficult.  Your best bet is obviously going to be looking at older profiles.  See if you can find an older Mitsubishi red style shaft or one of the Matrix Ozik White Ties.  Both were fantastic for their time, they are just lost to more modern names now.  

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I am on the quest for the clubs I hit the best, feel and looks be darned.

These below have my attention at the moment.

 

SIM - Rogue Silver 130

Speedzone Tour Big - Arcane

Rogue Sub Zero - Thump 

Ping i525 5-UW - Project X IO 

Cleveland RTX6 ZipCore 54/Mid & 58/Low+ - Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Spinner

Bettinardi Hive Custom - Spencer Levin Style

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What do you mean by "not stout?"  The reason I ask is, to me, that means "regular flex," and you can get an Aldila NV NXT 75 in R flex for $59.99 new.  If you're looking for a different flex profile, you'll probably need to specify what you've got in mind.

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19 minutes ago, grochol17 said:

What do you mean by "not stout?"  The reason I ask is, to me, that means "regular flex," and you can get an Aldila NV NXT 75 in R flex for $59.99 new.  If you're looking for a different flex profile, you'll probably need to specify what you've got in mind.

 

I mean soft tip, so that would eliminate the NV and a lot of the other suggestions, unfortunately.  I mean a profile like a typical OEM brand shaft, in A or R flex.

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I definitely read this and for some reason I was picturing hickory shafts retrofitted into modern equipment, and was super intrigued.


Now i'm kinda disappointed.

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1 hour ago, Snowman9000 said:

 

I mean soft tip, so that would eliminate the NV and a lot of the other suggestions, unfortunately.  I mean a profile like a typical OEM brand shaft, in A or R flex.

 

This website may be of interest then.  It has backstock of a lot of old OEM shafts from the 2012-2015 era.  https://golfdealsandsteals.com/collections/shafts?page=3&pf_p_price=7.99%3A60&pf_t_flex=Stiff&pf_t_flex=Regular

I am on the quest for the clubs I hit the best, feel and looks be darned.

These below have my attention at the moment.

 

SIM - Rogue Silver 130

Speedzone Tour Big - Arcane

Rogue Sub Zero - Thump 

Ping i525 5-UW - Project X IO 

Cleveland RTX6 ZipCore 54/Mid & 58/Low+ - Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Spinner

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1 hour ago, Snowman9000 said:

 

I mean soft tip, so that would eliminate the NV and a lot of the other suggestions, unfortunately.  I mean a profile like a typical OEM brand shaft, in A or R flex.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/275288999560?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=CeCVqXwOS4G&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=4Ys50IXZSSW&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

DVS is about as soft as tip I've ever hit

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UST Mamiya - Lamkin - RXS 

 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/

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The Motore x f3 fits the bill and you can find them on EBay super cheap. Not sure you can find it for 60 but close. 

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29 minutes ago, ode said:

If you aren't dead set on a name brand there are quite a few options.....but an NVS 65/75 would be money, if you can find a DVS 70....

 

I'd agree.  It's too bad they don't seem to be making a 70 gm version of the NXT NVS in the softer flexes. But one might be able to find some of the originals on ebay.

 

To me the main difference between the NVS and DVS was that while both had similarly soft tips, the DVS had a firmer butt/mid section.

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8 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

L/A flex is 77 gm  and it's got a 7" parallel tip section so you can tune the stiffness to whatever you want.

 

https://www.golfworks.com/aldila-value-series-graphite-wood-shaft/p/vxwal/

 

 

Here's an interesting review on that shaft...the orientation part:

 

Shaft orientation.

I am an 82 year old, golfing for 60 yr. who shoots in the 80s. I got my driver fitted by a PGA club fitter who had all the equipment (head speed. launch angle, ball speed etc.). He recommended an Aldlila shaft (NVD 55) at 46" and a 460cc, 10.5 deg head. I could not hit this club as well as my old driver (no feel, shorter shots to the right. I removed this shaft and installed the Aldila VXWAL trimmed to 44". What a difference?. Straight with slight draw and 20 yrds. farther. My method of orienting the shaft to club head is as follows:
1.Snug fit club head to shaft so that it can be rotated without falling off.
2. Clamp the butt end in the playing position (approx. 57 deg to ground).
3. Pluck the shaft in the target direction and note the oscillation. It should oscillate straight back and forth. If not rotate the club head/shaft position until you find a straight back and forth oscillation.
4. Mark and epoxy this orientation.

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8 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

L/A flex is 77 gm  and it's got a 7" parallel tip section so you can tune the stiffness to whatever you want.

 

https://www.golfworks.com/aldila-value-series-graphite-wood-shaft/p/vxwal/

 

 

If you want a high launching, soft tip in a heavier weight, this may be your only choice.  It is sure cheap enough to give it a try.

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12 hours ago, FirstFlight said:

Here's an interesting review on that shaft...the orientation part:

 

Shaft orientation.

1.Snug fit club head to shaft so that it can be rotated without falling off.
2. Clamp the butt end in the playing position (approx. 57 deg to ground).
3. Pluck the shaft in the target direction and note the oscillation. It should oscillate straight back and forth. If not rotate the club head/shaft position until you find a straight back and forth oscillation.
4. Mark and epoxy this orientation.

 

FYI - That method of orientation is pretty much a waste of time.   He's trying to use FLO but every shaft will FLO on a weak axis and a strong axis.  If you try to FLO without a frequency meter, you can't tell the difference between the two FLO axis and you have a 50-50 chance of getting it wrong.

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5 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

He's trying to use FLO but every shaft will FLO on a weak axis and a strong axis.  If you try to FLO without a frequency meter, you can't tell the difference between the two FLO axis and you have a 50-50 chance of getting it wrong.

What if this same elder tuner...forgot to mention that he also performs a spine align reference and then uses both of these references on his deflection tester. After that, could he be reasonably sure he has roughly found the stronger axis?

 

I'm thinking this elder tuner or 'gunslinger', knows it's even more important to measure and blueprint what he's bought...when it comes to a cheaper product offering. 🤔

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2 hours ago, FirstFlight said:

What if this same elder tuner...forgot to mention that he also performs a spine align reference and then uses both of these references on his deflection tester. After that, could he be reasonably sure he has roughly found the stronger axis?

 

Differential deflection could be used as an alternative to frequency measurements - but comparing just the total deflection of the two axis isn't always reliable (thanks to any residual bend that might be in the shaft).   That's actually the same reason why bearing based spine finders can be inaccurate.

 

e.g.   On each axis, measure the deflection of one weight.   Add a second weight and see how the deflection changes between the two weights.   That change, not the total deflection for either weight should be used to measure the axis strength.

 

Of course that same method could be used w/o FLO to find the spine if done over multiple axis.

 

 

2 hours ago, FirstFlight said:

I'm thinking this elder tuner or 'gunslinger', knows it's even more important to measure and blueprint what he's bought...when it comes to a cheaper product offering. 🤔

 

For those that think it's important (which is a completely different topic) it should be important regardless of the cost of the shaft.   One should never assume that higher cost will always give higher quality or consistency.

 

 

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On 1/24/2023 at 6:33 PM, Smokey227 said:

The Motore x f3 fits the bill and you can find them on EBay super cheap. Not sure you can find it for 60 but close. 

 

This.  Got my F3 with grip, and tip installed from Maple Hill (Grandville, Michigan) for under $100. I tipped mine half of the usual rec for my 7 wood to get an in-between flex and it has worked out well. It's become my favorite club in the bag. 

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Evenflow Black. It definitely goes down to 5.5 if not 5.0 and they're on the softer side (IMO). I'd describe it as stable but not stout. Stout to me = harsh and they are not harsh at all. Completely different than, say, HZRDUS.

 

They are readily available for cheap. You could also try the blue if the more active feeling is what you like, also offered in higher weights and lighter flex. 

 

The Diamana S Limited being a stock offering in PXG and Taylormade also makes it a pretty common shaft that is stable but not stout/harsh.

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10 hours ago, bnperrone said:

Evenflow Black. It definitely goes down to 5.5 if not 5.0 and they're on the softer side (IMO). I'd describe it as stable but not stout. Stout to me = harsh and they are not harsh at all. Completely different than, say, HZRDUS.

 

They are readily available for cheap. You could also try the blue if the more active feeling is what you like, also offered in higher weights and lighter flex. 

 

The Diamana S Limited being a stock offering in PXG and Taylormade also makes it a pretty common shaft that is stable but not stout/harsh.


Concur on both. I always found Project X EvenFlow Blue 75 to be easier launching than most other shafts in the 70g weight class. I have picked them up new pretty cheap and they are easy swinging, excellent shafts that feel great at impact. 

 

I know they make the 75 in a 5.5 regular flex, but 5.0 is senior flex in this shaft. But they are not stout anyway. Some players move up a flex and I don’t get fixated on flex labels. The 5.5 feels soft. I play 6.0 in most PX wood shafts but I played 6.5 in this one in a Callaway Rogue 4 wood with standard tipping and even that one did not feel stout. Great combo. Can get them new for about $80. If you’re going to use it in a fairway wood you could always get a 5.5 and install it with no tipping to soften it. 
 

Diamanas S series is also good for what you seek. Just have to find the weight and flex. But IMO the Evenflow Blue 75 is perfect. 

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On 1/24/2023 at 7:39 PM, Snowman9000 said:

Lately, 70+ gram wood shafts are for strong swings.  I'd like to find that weight in a softer flex and profile.  And less than say $60.  Any suggestions?

Look for Grafalloy Pro Custom woods. Its a heavy mid launch profile and cost next to nothing.

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