Disappointed in OEMs

[juniorflyer]

Hi guys,

 

Just wanted to see if anyone else has had issues with OEM clubs coming off of a custom order with the wrong swing weight.

 

I have recently picked up a swing weight scale and tested my clubs. They are all off by approximately 3 points. I ordered all of my clubs from the OEM with midsize grips. I am failing to understand why the OEM would not swing weight the clubs with the specific grip option ordered! Thinking it was my scale, i took my clubs to a local golf store and their scale confirmed my suspicion. To be extra sure i took a club to the post office and had them weigh it on their postal scale and then calculated it out using the balance point method.

 

A little disappointed in these companies to say the least. I have no problem redoing the wedges or the irons, but i don't want to have to pull the expensive shaft out of a brand new club!

 

Has anyone else experienced this? Or am i just the unlucky one.

 

Thanks for reading.

[Nessism]

The swingweight methodology is a flawed method that involves measuring torque around a 14" fulcrum.  The idea being, to create some half-way scientific method of measuring heft of the club.  Problems come in when there is an abnormal amount of weight in the butt of the club, the other side of the fulcrum so to speak, such as heavy grips.  This will skew the swingweight number, but it won't affect the feeling of heft of the club.  Most here will tell you to measure swingweight with a standard 50 gram grip, then if installing heavy midsize or oversize grips, ignore the drop is swingweight because it is just fooling the scale, and doesn't affect the heft of the club feeling in your hands.  So, your 3 swingweight point error, assuming the swingweight is low, is just about right.  Go play golf and don't worry about it.  

                         

[Red4282]

Were they heavier or lighter by 3 points? Standard length?

[Red4282]

Just now, Nessism said:

The swingweight methodology is a flawed method that involves measuring torque around a 14" fulcrum.  The idea being, to create some half-way scientific method of measuring heft of the club.  Problems come in when there is an abnormal amount of weight in the butt of the club, the other side of the fulcrum so to speak, such as heavy grips.  This will skew the swingweight number, but it won't affect the feeling of heft of the club.  Most here will tell you to measure swingweight with a standard 50 gram grip, then if installing heavy midsize or oversize grips, ignore the drop is swingweight because it is just fooling the scale, and doesn't affect the heft of the club feeling in your hands.  So, your 3 swingweight point error, assuming the swingweight is low, is just about right.  Go play golf and don't worry about it.  

                         

Was about to say this, but you nailed it first! Swingweigthing with 14” fulcrum with grip on is completely flawed…because the original PURPOSE was to get every club to match. Not an indicator of heft felt.

[B.Easy]

A few moths ago I commented on another thread with this same issue.  In the last 5 years I have only had one set of irons come with the exact specs I ordered.  It was New Level when I ordered my PF-2's.  Lofts, Lies, and swing weights were perfect. My PXG Gen 4 ST's were almost there, with only the 8 iron swing weighting 1 point light.  My Callaway TCB's had small variations, but were pretty good.  I'm an iron ho and pretty anal about stuff, so I check everything.  My mizuno Mp-18's and my sons JPX 919's were the worst. No consistency.  Had to bend and swing weight nearly every club.  Shocked me actually.  My Ping Crossover 3 iron was 2* upright and 2* strong.  It was off the shelf, but still.  very frustrating.

 

Moral of the story-- OEM's are putting out so many orders, that you can almost guarantee they won't be right.  Just not enough man power to do things correctly.

[juniorflyer]

They were all roughly 3 points on the light side. Irons were all roughly C9-D0. It just boggles me why they would be out so much when they are the ones putting on this different grip.

[Nessism]

1 minute ago, juniorflyer said:

They were all roughly 3 points on the light side. Irons were all roughly C9-D0. It just boggles me why they would be out so much when they are the ones putting on this different grip.

 

They should be light.  Be happy.

[B.Easy]

12 minutes ago, juniorflyer said:

They were all roughly 3 points on the light side. Irons were all roughly C9-D0. It just boggles me why they would be out so much when they are the ones putting on this different grip.

If they were all that consistent, that's a win in my book.  Especially if the lie angles were consistent as well.

[maximusppl]

15 minutes ago, juniorflyer said:

They were all roughly 3 points on the light side. Irons were all roughly C9-D0. It just boggles me why they would be out so much when they are the ones putting on this different grip.

 

They most likely don't have time to put in different tip weights and dry fit to get the swing weights you wanted with all the components you ordered. For the amount of sets they have to build in a day. I would assume there would also be some "assembly line" type of method, meaning the first station could be hosel prep, next could be someone grabbing the ordered shafts and tip prepping them and gluing the shaft to the head, then it could be off to the last station for butt trimming and then choice of grip install. This is why smaller/more custom shops, and even Club Champion will charge you more to build to the specs you want.

 

Just a thought.....

Edited January 30, 2023 by maximusppl

[Nessism]

Just to be clear, with midsize grips, which are typically 15 grams heavier than a normal grip, a club measuring D0 is actually, D3.  If the clubs were weighted for D3 with the heavy grips, they would actually be at D6.  It's a good thing that they came in where they are.

[mktrout]

Sounds like your clubs are correct, you just didn’t know about measuring with a heavier grip tricks a swingweight scale. 

[5hort5tuff]

32 minutes ago, juniorflyer said:

They were all roughly 3 points on the light side. Irons were all roughly C9-D0. It just boggles me why they would be out so much when they are the ones putting on this different grip.

I'm not sure you are understanding the dynamics of swingweight.  You measure swingweight with a standard grip. Make the SW measure D3.  Installing the Midsize grip makes the scale read D0 ish.  This is the correct way to do it. Although the scale reads D0, it FEELS like D3. 

 

They did a good job.

[juniorflyer]

Well this is some good information and I appreciate everyone's comments. This would apply to all clubs then with midsize grips installed? Because my driver is showing as C9.

 

This is good news to hear if i am in the wrong.

 

Thank you

[ChristopherMcDonald]

33 minutes ago, Nessism said:

Just to be clear, with midsize grips, which are typically 15 grams heavier than a normal grip, a club measuring D0 is actually, D3.  If the clubs were weighted for D3 with the heavy grips, they would actually be at D6.  It's a good thing that they came in where they are.

Came here to say this lol

[ChristopherMcDonald]

23 minutes ago, juniorflyer said:

Well this is some good information and I appreciate everyone's comments. This would apply to all clubs then with midsize grips installed? Because my driver is showing as C9.

 

This is good news to hear if i am in the wrong.

 

Thank you

It is good news. You are wrong.

 

hope this helps

[iknowbagu]

The swingweight scale was invented when all components weighed approximately the same. It's borderline archaic with the variations in modern components. Whatever OEM we're talking about did a damn good job of getting them where they did and they deserve a kudos not a flame thread. 

[WristySwing]

🍿 I love these threads.  OP starts a burn thread only to be burned in the process.  It's always a good learning experiment to teach that sometimes its better to understand what is going on before immediately jumping to conclusions that something is horribly wrong.