Tours need to make “The Reed rule”…..

[hammergolf]

Going forward, the tours need to have access to TV feeds BEFORE they make a ruling. Kind of like instant replay for football. This would eliminate giving relief to cheaters like Reed.

[Stevens24]

Well if the official gave him relief he isn't cheating. Not siding with Reed just saying.

[Barfolomew]

How would TV helped.... did they see what tree the ball went in

 

 

So many players/shots to cover.  Happens so infrequent its not even measurable.  Wrong calls happen every 5 minutes in other sports.... you see that foul on Lebron against Celtics in last seconds..... life goes on

 

 

 

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by Barfolomew

[betarhoalphadelta]

23 minutes ago, Stevens24 said:

Well if the official gave him relief he isn't cheating. Not siding with Reed just saying.

 

If he truly believed he identified his ball, he's not cheating. If he wasn't sure and just lied to the official and said he was sure, he was cheating.

 

The official has not the jurisdiction to determine he was lying unless he has direct evidence to the contrary. So he should take Reed's word if Reed says he positively identified his ball and was certain it was his. 

[Krt22]

1 hour ago, Stevens24 said:

Well if the official gave him relief he isn't cheating. Not siding with Reed just saying.

Unless of course he lied that the ball was marked the same as his. 

 

I think the issue with using TV footage to make rulings, is not every shot from every player is on film. So it can either be an advantage or disadvantage depending on how the ruling goes.

 

I would not mind another reed rule however, that each pro should mark all of their balls the same and have one marked ball in the bag at all times such that an official can verify the markings are correct. 

[widow-maker]

Actually, the replay showed that the ball did indeed go into a tree, just not the tree Patrick was looking in.  But, if the TV can actually prove that the ball was in the tree, then shouldn't he be able to take an unplayable since the TV proved it wasn't a lost ball?   And at this point, I'm not sure how Patrick Reed lives with himself.  There are just too many instances to keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. 

[BoomShakalaka5]

2 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Going forward, the tours need to have access to TV feeds BEFORE they make a ruling. Kind of like instant replay for football. This would eliminate giving relief to cheaters like Reed.

And they should call it the Reed rule like you did.  That guy has to be the most hated cheater on tour.  And he is smug as he knows he is cheating.  

[BoomShakalaka5]

2 hours ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

If he truly believed he identified his ball, he's not cheating. If he wasn't sure and just lied to the official and said he was sure, he was cheating.

 

The official has not the jurisdiction to determine he was lying unless he has direct evidence to the contrary. So he should take Reed's word if Reed says he positively identified his ball and was certain it was his. 

He doesn’t have eagle eyes.  He knows he lied and then will sue everyone because he can’t handle the truth. 

[hammergolf]

40 minutes ago, widow-maker said:

Actually, the replay showed that the ball did indeed go into a tree, just not the tree Patrick was looking in.  But, if the TV can actually prove that the ball was in the tree, then shouldn't he be able to take an unplayable since the TV proved it wasn't a lost ball?   And at this point, I'm not sure how Patrick Reed lives with himself.  There are just too many instances to keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. 

That would make sense, but unfortunately that’s not how the rule is written. I’ve never understood why rules officials don’t look at replay BEFORE they make a ruling. All 3 times Reed has been caught cheating TV proved he was cheating.

[hammergolf]

2 hours ago, Stevens24 said:

Well if the official gave him relief he isn't cheating. Not siding with Reed just saying.

It’s not siding with him. The official can only rely on the player telling the truth, but obviously Reed can never be trusted because he’s a proven liar, cheat, and thief.

[hammergolf]

44 minutes ago, widow-maker said:

Actually, the replay showed that the ball did indeed go into a tree, just not the tree Patrick was looking in.  But, if the TV can actually prove that the ball was in the tree, then shouldn't he be able to take an unplayable since the TV proved it wasn't a lost ball?   And at this point, I'm not sure how Patrick Reed lives with himself.  There are just too many instances to keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. 

Only positive is that his cheating didn’t cost anyone money in this case, assuming he would have went back to the tee and chances are he would of made 6 so his final score would have been one shot higher, but still enough for second by himself. If I’m a DP tour player or LIV player I would demand he receives punishment for another case of him obviously lying and cheating AGAIN. Guys an absolute scumbag with zero integrity or decency.

[hammergolf]

1 hour ago, Krt22 said:

Unless of course he lied that the ball was marked the same as his. 

 

I think the issue with using TV footage to make rulings, is not every shot from every player is on film. So it can either be an advantage or disadvantage depending on how the ruling goes.

 

I would not mind another reed rule however, that each pro should mark all of their balls the same and have one marked ball in the bag at all times such that an official can verify the markings are correct. 

You don’t see every shot, but the cameras are rolling on every hole. The overwhelming majority of shots from the last 10 or so groups are being filmed. 

[Ex Blade User]

[hammergolf]

3 hours ago, Barfolomew said:

How would TV helped.... did they see what tree the ball went in

 

 

So many players/shots to cover.  Happens so infrequent its not even measurable.  Wrong calls happen every 5 minutes in other sports.... you see that foul on Lebron against Celtics in last seconds..... life goes on

 

 

 

 

That’s what makes golf different from everything else my friend. It’s supposed to be played by people with honor and integrity who legislate themselves. 

[James the Hogan Fan]

2 hours ago, Krt22 said:

Unless of course he lied that the ball was marked the same as his. 

 

I think the issue with using TV footage to make rulings, is not every shot from every player is on film. So it can either be an advantage or disadvantage depending on how the ruling goes.

 

I would not mind another reed rule however, that each pro should mark all of their balls the same and have one marked ball in the bag at all times such that an official can verify the markings are correct. 

Or, as they are all pros, just have the ball makers print their names on them?

 

Like <ProV1> on one side and <Golfername> on the other. Done

[ericft]

I just don't understand why the official didn't ask for another ball already marked in the bag to confirm??? all pros have multiple balls marked in their bags for lost balls and provisional shots. and they mark them the same for this purpose...me looking in a tree and seeing a ball with 5 green dots for example and just saying that it is mine is rubbish...he should have shown a sample and then referee could have looked at the one in the tree to verify...how this isn't obvious to the rules folks is beyond me...why trust any player when all they have to do is show another ball....

Edited February 1, 2023 by ericft

[hammergolf]

16 minutes ago, James the Hogan Fan said:

Or, as they are all pros, just have the ball makers print their names on them?

 

Like <ProV1> on one side and <Golfername> on the other. Done

They would still need additional markings. 

[masegolf1978]

I was thinking after reading the other Reed thread. I tend to agree that it wouldn’t be efficient to do instant replay while the guy is in the course. BUT, if he is so sure, and replay later shows he was wrong, he should be DQ’d. 

[hammergolf]

11 minutes ago, ericft said:

I just don't understand why the official didn't ask for another ball already marked in the bag to confirm??? all pros have multiple balls marked in their bags for lost balls and provisional shots. and they mark them the same for this purpose...me looking in a tree and seeing a ball with 5 green dots for example and just saying that it is mine is rubbish...he should have shown a sample and then referee could have looked at the one in the tree to verify...how this isn't obvious to the rules folks is beyond me...why trust any player when all they have to do is show another ball....

The rule is flawed because the official has to go with the players word. Which in Reed’s case is worthless. 

[Kurtis4K]

The "Reed" rule should be... don't let Patrick Reed play.

[hammergolf]

1 minute ago, masegolf1978 said:

I was thinking after reading the other Reed thread. I tend to agree that it wouldn’t be efficient to do instant replay while the guy is in the course. BUT, if he is so sure, and replay later shows he was wrong, he should be DQ’d. 

He flat out stole almost $1 million by lying. As far as being efficient, when the rules official was called, he could have looked at the replay right then to know they were looking in the wrong tree. 

[Hawkeye77]

4 hours ago, Stevens24 said:

Well if the official gave him relief he isn't cheating. Not siding with Reed just saying.

 

What?

 

He identified as 100% certain a ball that wasn't and couldn't have been his.

 

Big difference between getting the benefit of a ruling and a ruling where an official has to pretty much take your word for you seeing your ball and you are lying about it.  Just because the rules official didn't ask enough questions doesn't absolve Reed from intentionally providing misinformation.  It just means he's "clean" for purposes of not being assessed a penalty after the fact under those circumstances.

[jonsnow]

22 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

He flat out stole almost $1 million by lying. As far as being efficient, when the rules official was called, he could have looked at the replay right then to know they were looking in the wrong tree. 

You will be receiving a subpoena from Reed's attorney on Christmas Eve. Meanwhile, here's a tee...

[bulls9999]

The thing I don't get about him identifying the ball in the tree is that all the video shots are from above.  The numerous balls are visible from 'above' sitting on the cupped ends of the palm fronds. But aren't they protecting the view from below?  I would think if you took a closeup photo from below, all you would see would be the bottoms of the cut ends of the palms; the balls are on top, in the 'arm pits'.

 

OK, so why didn't someone get a chance to climb up the trees and get all the balls out to see which balls were in which trees?  I recall there was a story a couple of months ago where some professional player on a mini tour (KornFerry?) was playing in a qualifier and his playing partners were amazed at his claims of hitting a ball into some wooded/tall grassy areas, the forecaddy spotter who was out there flagged the areas where the ball seemed to go in, but low and behold this guy would go about 20-30 yard further up the fairway and said 'here is my ball'.  He did that twice and after the round, a group of them went back to both spots where the same thing happened and they went in and found his ball in both spots.  He was disqualified well before that happened though.  It would have been interesting to see someone gather up the balls and show a close up of them from each of the 3 trees.

 

Here is the link to the disqualified cheater - Golfer suspected of cheating in wild disqualification incident at Q-School – GolfWRX 

 

[Hawkeye77]

16 minutes ago, bulls9999 said:

 

 

OK, so why didn't someone get a chance to climb up the trees and get all the balls out to see which balls were in which trees? 

 

 

They aren't sending anyone up a tree to get all the balls out to make a ruling and nobody would have gotten permission from the course to either climb or get a boom truck out there to gather golf balls after the fact just to gather up a bunch of balls.

 

Neither is reasonable. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Hawkeye77

[BoomShakalaka5]

They should just make him take a lie detector test after every round….why is your name…Patrick Reed…true.

 

did you cheat today….no…you lied. 

[BoomShakalaka5]

He should also be forced to play with a pink golf ball.  That way, everyone knows it’s his. 

[IndyArcher]

8 minutes ago, bulls9999 said:

The thing I don't get about him identifying the ball in the tree is that all the video shots are from above.  The numerous balls are visible from 'above' sitting on the cupped ends of the palm fronds. But aren't they protecting the view from below?  I would think if you took a closeup photo from below, all you would see would be the bottoms of the cut ends of the palms; the balls are on top, in the 'arm pits'.

 

So the official couldn’t see a ball in the tree?

[nsxguy]

1 hour ago, hammergolf said:

They would still need additional markings. 

 

Why ?

[hammergolf]

1 hour ago, BoomShakalaka5 said:

He should also be forced to play with a pink golf ball.  That way, everyone knows it’s his. 

He would tell the official it changed colors in mid flight…..