Problems With Excessive Iron Spin; Mizuno Pro 223s

[Denny100]

Hi Everyone

 

Ive been testing out my irons tons over the winter, and I feel like trackman is confirming ive definitely got excessive spin.

 

This is definitely majorly down to technique. I have an angle of attack thats too much downwards, and from that, no doubt im presenting too much loft = a bad spin loft.

 

Ive worked hard on angle of attack for a while, but im not really seeing the benefit of it.

 

After another trackman session tonight, im noticing high spin numbers, particularly in the mid irons.

 

5 Irons often can be mid 5000s..... I want them to sit at mid 4000s really.

 

6 Iron was often very close to 6000 but going over 6000 at times, and a couple of balls registered close to 7000 which was not good.

 

Its leading to a high, floaty and quite weak flight.

 

Im only of average swing speed, looking at 90-91 mph 7 iron swing, swung my 4 iron replacement hybrid at around 97-98mph.

 

Would it be a sensible move to take some loft off the irons? Im worried about the consequences (other than spin reduction) of doing this

 

Im looking to move to pro v1x left dash, and thatll reduce the spin somewhat, but not massively.

 

Do you think there is merit in de-lofting the irons a little?

 

 

I must also say though, the number one factor IS technique, and im looking to tidy that up as much as possible

 

Thanks Everyone!

[VanTheMan0519]

Move to regular pro v1’s. Make lofts 1* strong. What shafts are you playing?

[hammergolf]

11 minutes ago, Denny100 said:

Hi Everyone

 

Ive been testing out my irons tons over the winter, and I feel like trackman is confirming ive definitely got excessive spin.

 

This is definitely majorly down to technique. I have an angle of attack thats too much downwards, and from that, no doubt im presenting too much loft = a bad spin loft.

 

Ive worked hard on angle of attack for a while, but im not really seeing the benefit of it.

 

After another trackman session tonight, im noticing high spin numbers, particularly in the mid irons.

 

5 Irons often can be mid 5000s..... I want them to sit at mid 4000s really.

 

6 Iron was often very close to 6000 but going over 6000 at times, and a couple of balls registered close to 7000 which was not good.

 

Its leading to a high, floaty and quite weak flight.

 

Im only of average swing speed, looking at 90-91 mph 7 iron swing, swung my 4 iron replacement hybrid at around 97-98mph.

 

Would it be a sensible move to take some loft off the irons? Im worried about the consequences (other than spin reduction) of doing this

 

Im looking to move to pro v1x left dash, and thatll reduce the spin somewhat, but not massively.

 

Do you think there is merit in de-lofting the irons a little?

 

 

I must also say though, the number one factor IS technique, and im looking to tidy that up as much as possible

 

Thanks Everyone!

What ball are you currently playing? 

[Denny100]

8 minutes ago, VanTheMan0519 said:

Move to regular pro v1’s. Make lofts 1* strong. What shafts are you playing?

 

Im playing the lofts at standard currently and could move them a degree strong. Im playing DG 120 X100

 

6 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

What ball are you currently playing? 

 

Had been playing Bridgestone Tour BX-S but testing left dash quite a bit on course now.

[Rosco1216]

BX-S is maybe the highest spin premium call with irons. 1* strong and move to the BX and you’re golden pony boy.

Edited February 7, 2023 by Rosco1216

[Sean124]

What’s your launch angle on the 6 iron?

[Denny100]

1 minute ago, Sean124 said:

What’s your launch angle on the 6 iron?

 

Off the top of my head, think it was around mid 16 degrees. I should download the app really, but i do tend to know my numbers within an upper and lower range.

[hammergolf]

30 minutes ago, Denny100 said:

 

Im playing the lofts at standard currently and could move them a degree strong. Im playing DG 120 X100

 

 

Had been playing Bridgestone Tour BX-S but testing left dash quite a bit on course now.

BX S is one of if the highest spinning balls on the market. If you want to keep your feel close, the Srixon Z Star will still give you spin around the greens, but lower spin off the irons. If you don’t mind a softer feel, Tour B RX, Tour B RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft, and Vice Pro Soft are all great option and will reduce your spin significantly. I’ve included results from a robot test that was done a couple years ago. Not all models are the current model, but results would be very close with the newer models. It’s not the only data to use when you are making a decision, but it definitely helps. Just to compare the spin numbers on the test, the Tour B RX spun almost 1000 rpms less than the XS. I would try a ball change first then if that doesn’t work look at adjusting your club.

Edited February 7, 2023 by hammergolf

[Sean124]

2 minutes ago, Denny100 said:

 

Off the top of my head, think it was around mid 16 degrees. I should download the app really, but i do tend to know my numbers within an upper and lower range.

That’s not too bad. I’d probably start with the ball, but bending the irons a degree strong certainly won’t hurt anything. 

[Leska]

90-91mph 7 iron aint average. Thats well above average

[Valtiel]

4 hours ago, Denny100 said:

 

5 Irons often can be mid 5000s..... I want them to sit at mid 4000s really.

 

6 Iron was often very close to 6000 but going over 6000 at times, and a couple of balls registered close to 7000 which was not good.

 

Its leading to a high, floaty and quite weak flight.

 

 

That is pretty mild as far as spin issues go and IMO wouldn't cause a "weak floaty flight" on it's own. 

Strengthening the irons and/or a ball switch would be the easiest tweaks to make that are both reversible pending later technique improvement. On that front you seem to be focusing on AoA and trying to change that which is the wrong way to about it IMO. AoA doesn't impact spin directly, it's relationship to loft does, so if you're steep AND presenting excess loft then the "steep" part isn't the problem, it's the loft. The most common causes seem to be either club plane issues set up in the backswing/transition (steep) or more frequently a sequencing issue. The latter being the best example of the "no matter what i'm doing it doesn't change" symptom because sequencing issues are often more ingrained and come with compensations that you need to make contact, compensations that can also have the effect of adding loft. Face on video of your swing would be good as they are easy to spot and can get you looking at the right things to fix the problem. 

[mgoblue83]

8 hours ago, Leska said:

90-91mph 7 iron aint average. Thats well above average

 

This is WRX. He's well below average...

[kwainio]

I mean you know the answer, it's all swing related. But an easy fix to lose a couple hundred rpm's is a ball change. That's about it unless you want to go down the rabbit hole of spending thousands on new clubs with the same swing.

[Mobert19]

What are the ideal spin numbers you’re looking for? 

[Bye]

I have had the same issues, a ball change to the Pro V1 from the X has helped. I was also using the BX S ball for a while. 

 

Changing to the V1 has helped a bit, definitely flattened the flight out a bit. But I am also considering strengthen the lofts 1 degree. I think 1 or both options will help, and is a good place to start as others have suggested to you. 

 

I noticed you commented in another thread, I am wondering if we were fitted at the same place?

 

The Left Dashes are firm feeling, not too sure it will work in the UK summer. 

 

[Denny100]

2 hours ago, Bye said:

I have had the same issues, a ball change to the Pro V1 from the X has helped. I was also using the BX S ball for a while. 

 

Changing to the V1 has helped a bit, definitely flattened the flight out a bit. But I am also considering strengthen the lofts 1 degree. I think 1 or both options will help, and is a good place to start as others have suggested to you. 

 

I noticed you commented in another thread, I am wondering if we were fitted at the same place?

 

The Left Dashes are firm feeling, not too sure it will work in the UK summer. 

 

 

Ive been to Precision Golf before, but my irons were from another club that was a Mizuno Performance Fitting Centre. I love the irons they feel amazing.

 

Right now, no problems with left dash, but like you say when the course gets baked out and dry, which it will do in the UK nowhere seems to water the greens very much, then it could prove hard to handle.

 

2 hours ago, Mobert19 said:

What are the ideal spin numbers you’re looking for? 

 

Id say in the window of 1000 rpm less than im getting now.

 

Id say in the conditions i play in, an 8 iron should probably sit at 7,000 rpm, a 7 iron at 6,000 rpm, etc etc.

 

I just dont like hitting shots where i hit a 7 iron and it registers 8,100 spin for example, and all shots being what feels to me like the high end of acceptable like right around 7,000 on good shots.

 

Im also absolutely aware technique is huge, and im working to improve that, but it doesnt happen overnight.

[SVTM5]

Switch to project x ls shafts and went to chrome soft ls. A world of difference as I was a high spin player as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bye]

20 minutes ago, Denny100 said:

 

Ive been to Precision Golf before, but my irons were from another club that was a Mizuno Performance Fitting Centre. I love the irons they feel amazing.

 

Right now, no problems with left dash, but like you say when the course gets baked out and dry, which it will do in the UK nowhere seems to water the greens very much, then it could prove hard to handle.

 

 

Id say in the window of 1000 rpm less than im getting now.

 

Id say in the conditions i play in, an 8 iron should probably sit at 7,000 rpm, a 7 iron at 6,000 rpm, etc etc.

 

I just dont like hitting shots where i hit a 7 iron and it registers 8,100 spin for example, and all shots being what feels to me like the high end of acceptable like right around 7,000 on good shots.

 

Im also absolutely aware technique is huge, and im working to improve that, but it doesnt happen overnight.

Just interested to know, they certainly know what they are doing there. 

 

Did you try any other shafts at the fitting? Just wondering why the 120 shaft rather than the normal X100 weight. 

 

Yeah, that was my thought about the left dash, I am down in the South East, so it can get properly baked here.