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Best driver 2023 discussion thread: Expert fitters on 3 swing speed ranges + most forgiving!


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Best Driver 2023 is live on the front page as well as our expert fitters' picks for the most forgiving driver of 2023. 

 

 

After you digest the results, let us know what you think in the thread below!

 

And again, below is the how and why we do Best Driver this way. 

 

We have again broken our 2023 best drivers list into four total categories. Three are swing speed-based and the other forgiveness.


We select this format because every golfer fits into one of these categories regardless of age, handicap, or gender, and for a lot of golfers, forgiveness is the number one factor when selecting a driver.

 

When we reconfigured our Best Driver process in 2021, we reached out to our trusted fitters to discuss how they sort through the endless head combinations available to golfers. Time after time, swing speed and forgiveness were the highest-ranked choices, after that it comes down to adjustability to fit individual players and their trends.

 

This year, we have again worked internally to craft a survey that allowed the fitters to be honest—we want the truth just as much as you do, and to prevent anyone from feeling they couldn’t be, we allowed all of the results and quotes to remain anonymous unless otherwise stated.

 

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I’m well over 108 and really like the TSR2, coming from TSi3. Similar speed and spin, but a tiny bit straighter. 

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TSR3 9° Tensei Black 65X
TSi2 15° ATX Green 75TX
917F 18° ATX Green 85X
ZX5 MkII 4-5 / ZX7 MkII 6-P  Modus 120X
ZipCore 50° Modus 120X

Vokey SM9 54S/60M Modus 125 Wedge
Nike Neo

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I’ll say that the fitters comments look more sensible than the Driver test from the M G Spy website.  The results from that test were wack AF. They had the TSR2 as one of the least accurate and least forgiving drivers in the test, along with some other weird results.  I do, agree with them that the Stealth 2+ is the longest driver this season. Thing is a beast. 

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Callaway Paradym Triple 💎 10.5* Ventus Blue 6X/TR 6S
Titleist TSR2 16.5* (Set to 15.75*) Tour AD DI 7S
Titleist TSR2 18* Hybrid Tour AD IZ 85S
Titleist u505 4i (21*) Tour AD DI 95S

Srixon Zx7 MK II 5-PW, 51* AW - Modus 105S
Callaway Jaws 56*-Jaws Full Toe 60*-  DG 115 TI S200

Toulon Garage Custom Las Vegas H7 35”

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4 hours ago, bogeyman71 said:

I would like to know which staff these club fitters are on?  I don't know about you but I could take a good guess.

They are listed by name and where they work in the article linked in the first post.

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/706547/best-driver-2023-the-best-driver-for-your-swing-speed/

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Titleist TSr4 10.0*  Mitsubishi WB 63 tx  
TaylorMade BRNR Mini 13.5* Kai'li white- tx
Srixon ZX5 (4-6) ZX7 (7-pw) KBS tour 130-x
Mizuno T20 51* TT x-100

Callaway Full Toe 54*, 60* TT x-100
Callaway PM Grind 64*
Toulon First Run Las Vegas DB

Pro V1

 

 

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Interesting that Titleist made their driver for slower swing speeds the most expensive...I guess they figure that seniors have more expendable dollars!!

 

Seriously, how much better is the Ping G430 than the Ping G425?  Is it 5 yards longer @ 90mph? 3 yards straighter?

 

I'm still playing a TaylorMade M1 -- and easily outdriving my playing companions. At my age -- 72 -- I need more spin to get the ball up in the air, not less.  Guess I'll save my money unless someone can convince me otherwise.

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This is an insightful list in terms of seeing what the fitters are saying... but tell it like it is... This isn't a "Best Driver 2023" list... This is literally a comprehensive list of the 5 major driver manufacturers and each driver in it's family.  Like I get it, some of the smaller OEMs won't be as "popular" in the fitting bays, but you're telling me Mizuno or Srixon can't crack ANY of these categories in over 5 years???

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Ping G425 LST 10.5* OG Hzrdus Black 6.5 70g

Exotics EX10 Beta TI 15* Hzrdus Black 6.5 80g 

Cobra Radspeed Tour 19* Aldila NV 2KXV green 85TX

Callaway Apex MB ‘18 / Apex Pro Dot 4-P DG TI X100

Cleveland RTX ZipCore Tour Rack Raw 50F, 56F, 60 FF DGTI S400

Scotty Cameron Studio Design No. 5  35"/71*/4*

 

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44 minutes ago, Luds said:

This is an insightful list in terms of seeing what the fitters are saying... but tell it like it is... This isn't a "Best Driver 2023" list... This is literally a comprehensive list of the 5 major driver manufacturers and each driver in it's family.  Like I get it, some of the smaller OEMs won't be as "popular" in the fitting bays, but you're telling me Mizuno or Srixon can't crack ANY of these categories in over 5 years???

 

There were a lot of good things said about both Srixon and Mizuno actually. Most of the fitters I talked to said the new MKII woods are great and ball speed numbers are way up compared to previous woods. 

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I am slightly surprised the Stealth 2 HD isn’t in the slower swing list ahead of the “normal” Stealth 2.  If it’s good enough for Nelly…..certainly as a current TSi1 player I will be looking to test it against the new TSR1…

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TM Stealth 4 and 7 woods
M6 hybrid
PXG 0211 irons (5 to G)
Vokey 54 D grind 58 D grind
Scotty Newport 2.5 Special Select

TM Tour Response balls

H2NO stand bag
 

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48 minutes ago, J_Tizzle said:

 

Tell me you haven't hit the G430 LST without telling me you haven't hit the G430 LST...

 

Yep.  I have.  Consistently 4-5 mph slower swing speed than the Stealth+, AerojetLs, regular AeroJet, TSR3, or Paradym.  Ball Speed Subsequently lower as well.  This wasn't just me.  This is High Speed players normally swinging 120 and getting 115 mph head speed and slower ball speed.

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1 hour ago, heavy_hitter said:

 

Yep.  I have.  Consistently 4-5 mph slower swing speed than the Stealth+, AerojetLs, regular AeroJet, TSR3, or Paradym.  Ball Speed Subsequently lower as well.  This wasn't just me.  This is High Speed players normally swinging 120 and getting 115 mph head speed and slower ball speed.

 

Odd because everyone I know thats hit one in a fitting it was one of the faster clubs (both ball speed and club speed) but honestly it was so low spin it was near unplayable and I haven't seen one person actually fit into it, including people I know swinging 125+.

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2 minutes ago, J_Tizzle said:

 

Odd because everyone I know thats hit one in a fitting it was one of the faster clubs (both ball speed and club speed) but honestly it was so low spin it was near unplayable and I haven't seen one person actually fit into it, including people I know swinging 125+.

I watched several guys at the Demo Day in Orlando get fitted.  It wasn't impressive.  

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I struggle with the value of this as the breakdown always seem to fall the same way: 105+ gets the model that the tour players use (although not tour issue), the sub-105 golfers get the more "middle of the road" offering, and the slower swing speeds get the Draw or High-Launch model. Maybe this brings value to those who don't read the forums and dig into the details like the majority of us here.

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TaylorMade Stealth2+ 9° - Fujikura Ventus Black VeloCore 5-S

TaylorMade M5 15° - Fujikura Ventus Black VeloCore 6-S
Callaway CF-18 18° - KBS Tour Prototype 85 S
Srixon ZX5 4-AW - Nippon Modus3 105 R
Cleveland ZipCore 54° Mid and 58° Mid - DG Spinner
Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2 35"
Titleist Pro V1
Arccos Gen 3 sensors

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4 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

I watched several guys at the Demo Day in Orlando get fitted.  It wasn't impressive.  

 

Don't know what to tell ya, like I said, if you are only chasing numbers it was as good as anything (fast ss and bs), but on the course it was not going to be a winner for anyone that I saw due to spin issues. 

 

Reminded me of the Stealth from last year, Trackman star, but terrible on the course (for me at least).  Once I'm in any form beside sitting at my desk for 10hrs a day and not playing for a month+ I expect to get fit into a TSR2. 

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