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5 minutes ago, CDLgolf said:

 

Is the 2023 pro v1 longer than the original pro v1 ? 

 

 

No, that comparison I am unable to personally make. I will say that the current rendition seems to have added a couple of more yards than the previous offering. That's saying something as my SS isn't getting any faster.

 

They rework the ball every two years?  Every time they (Titleist) tell us it's their longest ball ever or even more distance...

 

 

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3 hours ago, clevited said:

 

Yeah but 6% said they would play less golf.  That is objectively bad, bad bad.

Why?  Are you connected to the growth of the game financially?

 

(I believe you intimated the same question to me.)

 

here is what a ball roll back will do for me: make me more interested in Kapalua, Riviera, Players, Memorial.  It won’t have much impact on the Majors for me, but maybe they move the tee up on 13 at Augusta, which would be interesting.  After the Open Championship, I play and ride my bike.

 

i will continue to follow selected events on the LPGA Tour, and will be interested in what happens.

 

this presumes I am around in 2028!

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2 hours ago, clevited said:

 

You got opposite of what you wanted.  You are affected close to the most, while the shorter guys are effected almost nil LOL.  They just crept closer to you.

If the roll back had been greater, Blade and I might be able to play off the same tee, but he would still beat the bejusus out of me - due to length and cunning!

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2 hours ago, idrive said:

Reading that the current ball will probably, possibly be conforming when the roll back comes to fruition four- five years from now?

 

Why not just stop anymore advancements with the ball? Just freeze it as it is now.

 

Much like when the max COR for the driver was established.

 

Manufactures aren't going to lose money if this happens. People still have to buy golf balls.

The ball will be frozen for awhile.  But this about playing the game on relevant footprints.  The players are getting faster, and on the margin the drivers are getting better, if you have a good fit.

 

the next step is a driver roll back, but only for elite players.

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On 12/4/2023 at 5:14 PM, GoGoErky said:

You haven’t learned that there is magic in the design of the new ball so that only elite golfers will lose distance and the average golfer won’t be impacted at all. And that the ruling bodies know what they are doing 

Yes, and they have already started with their "it won't impact most golfers" lie.  Here is a good lie by Thomas Pagel;

 

“In testing with the NP-500 ... participants reported a perceived distance reduction of about 4.9 percent (210 yards compared to a 221-yard self-reported average). This is consistent with expectations based on laboratory testing.” In other words, not quite one to five yards. Still, Thomas Pagel, the USGA's chief governance officer, told Golf Digest everyday golfers should rest easy.

"It's five yards at most and likely limited to your driver," Pagel said.

 

USGA/R&A make it official, announce golf ball rollback for all golfers (and drivers might be next) | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

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2 hours ago, Simpsonia said:

 

 

Did you listen to the HackItOut podcast posted a couple pages ago? Sasho McKenzie said that the the fastest guys on tour have the same rates of face stability as the slower "accurate" guys. They aren't more offline because they are swinging wildly, they are more offline merely because the ball goes further. These pros are just as accurate hitting center face with their 190cc 3W as they are with their driver. Shrinking the driver would have very little effect on the pros, and if it wasn't a bifurcated rule would have an absolutely enormous (probably the biggest) effect on non-elite amateurs. 

Yeah, I’d actually like to see a driver head 200 cc and see Sasho say he was wrong after watching real pros play in a real live tournament.  
 

hitting a small persimmon driver on a range when a pro is swinging well and under no pressure is not the same as playing the last nine at the Bear Trap for all the marbles.  Talk is cheap.

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1 hour ago, clevited said:

 

Sure I believe that, but if you didn't change your club to get the most out of the ball, then it wasn't necessarily as big of a difference as you think.  You can mitigate spin with proper club fitting but you would have likely required a launch monitor back then to dial it in without a lot of guess work and hand measuring.

Oh my Lord.  You are so far up the netherregions with talk of launch monitors and persimmon.  One, players were fortunate to find a driver that worked.  Two, with the small head, you couldn’t change your swing much, particularly if it worked.  Hit up to take off spin?  Billy Casper said he did that a little bit.  Never heard anything like that from Palmer, Nicklaus or Watson.  Keeping the ball in play was so much more important.

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19 minutes ago, gvogel said:

Yeah, I’d actually like to see a driver head 200 cc and see Sasho say he was wrong after watching real pros play in a real live tournament.  
 

hitting a small persimmon driver on a range when a pro is swinging well and under no pressure is not the same as playing the last nine at the Bear Trap for all the marbles.  Talk is cheap.

You'd be amazed at how crooked the pros hit the current equipment on the back nine on Sundays NOW!🤣

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23 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

All the USGA/R&A had to do was announce that they were freezing the ball instead of rolling back anything then proceed to redo the swing speed parameters and everyone would have been on board.

 

They're idiots.......

You must be in marketing.  A lot of USGA types are ex lawyers.  Transparency and all that

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23 minutes ago, gvogel said:

Yeah, I’d actually like to see a driver head 200 cc and see Sasho say he was wrong after watching real pros play in a real live tournament.  
 

hitting a small persimmon driver on a range when a pro is swinging well and under no pressure is not the same as playing the last nine at the Bear Trap for all the marbles.  Talk is cheap.

Oh, yeah.  What would he know?  Lol.  I totally put more faith in the golf enthusiasts on GolfWRX over people who have built their professional career working in the subject matter we're discussing.  He's so clueless.  How did he even get that Ph D? 

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33 minutes ago, gvogel said:

Yeah, I’d actually like to see a driver head 200 cc and see Sasho say he was wrong after watching real pros play in a real live tournament.  
 

hitting a small persimmon driver on a range when a pro is swinging well and under no pressure is not the same as playing the last nine at the Bear Trap for all the marbles.  Talk is cheap.

 

Here ya go then, watch Rory hit the long ball with a 190cc 3W all day and just pretend it's a driver. Oh, also it was not just a tournament, but the tour championship, which he won. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Simpsonia said:

 

Here ya go then, watch Rory hit the long ball with a 190cc 3W all day and just pretend it's a driver. Oh, also it was not just a tournament, but the tour championship, which he won. 

 

 

It's the shoes. They have non-conforming spikes.

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44 minutes ago, Golferpaul said:

Yes, and they have already started with their "it won't impact most golfers" lie.  Here is a good lie by Thomas Pagel;

 

“In testing with the NP-500 ... participants reported a perceived distance reduction of about 4.9 percent (210 yards compared to a 221-yard self-reported average). This is consistent with expectations based on laboratory testing.” In other words, not quite one to five yards. Still, Thomas Pagel, the USGA's chief governance officer, told Golf Digest everyday golfers should rest easy.

"It's five yards at most and likely limited to your driver," Pagel said.

 

USGA/R&A make it official, announce golf ball rollback for all golfers (and drivers might be next) | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

Yup trust us our data is good, it’s not really what the people experienced in testing.

 

Crazy how many people look past this, don’t read or listen to the information that gets posted from experts and then keep coming back with the same talking points and tired arguments.

 

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33 minutes ago, gvogel said:

Oh my Lord.  You are so far up the netherregions with talk of launch monitors and persimmon.  One, players were fortunate to find a driver that worked.  Two, with the small head, you couldn’t change your swing much, particularly if it worked.  Hit up to take off spin?  Billy Casper said he did that a little bit.  Never heard anything like that from Palmer, Nicklaus or Watson.  Keeping the ball in play was so much more important.

 

Lower loft says hi.

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1 hour ago, gvogel said:

Why?  Are you connected to the growth of the game financially?

 

We all have a vested interest in the game being popular. It's the game's popularity that makes course owners keep their courses open. If the popularity goes down, then courses will close. If the course that closes is the one that's closest to you, then that's an impact you'll have to deal with. 

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18 minutes ago, Simpsonia said:

 

Here ya go then, watch Rory hit the long ball with a 190cc 3W all day and just pretend it's a driver. Oh, also it was not just a tournament, but the tour championship, which he won. 

 

 

Bet he hits it farther with his driver.

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One more thing, and then I’m going to hit a bicket of balls in the dome - and please, no comments about grooving my bad tendencies!

 

Remember how we used to drop the ball - way back in the 1970’s?

 

Ovef the shoulder, down the back.  You couldn’t chose a nice little lie.  So much more random - like golf itself.

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