Hands relative to center of chest on downswing

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

It’s common wisdom on here that you need to make sure the hands and club get off the chest and aren’t racing behind the body on the downswing.  This makes sense to me.

 

Often the P6 position and the gap between the forearm and thigh is referenced.  It seems to me that casting affects the relative P6 position for each player too much for this to be a great starting point.  If you cast, there’s no way for that gap not to exist by P6 because P6 comes earlier than it should.

 

At what point should the hands be in front of the exact center of the chest? For most pros it looks like they get there between P5 and P6. For guys like DJ it’s almost not until impact.

And is that a good measuring point of arms and hands not improperly  trailing the body for someone with a bad cast?  

Edited March 30, 2023 by TrueBlue4Lyfe

[Trippels]

The hands stay on the trail side of the body until after impact according to GEARS, mentioned in a few AMG videos.

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

3 minutes ago, Trippels said:

The hands stay on the trail side of the body until after impact according to GEARS, mentioned in a few AMG videos.

Hmm glad to know because I’ve found the new arm lowering drill is great for shallowing but makes it more difficult to get arms out in front and I’ve been using Rose as a model.  He looks to have his hands directly in front of center of chest before P6

Edited March 30, 2023 by TrueBlue4Lyfe

[iacas]

16 minutes ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Hmm glad to know because I’ve found the new arm lowering drill is great for shallowing but makes it more difficult to get arms out in front and I’ve been using Rose as a model.  He looks to have his hands directly in front of center of chest before P6

 

He does not, though. Look at where his chest is actually pointing.

[Trippels]

17 minutes ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Hmm glad to know because I’ve found the new arm lowering drill is great for shallowing but makes it more difficult to get arms out in front and I’ve been using Rose as a model.  He looks to have his hands directly in front of center of chest before P6

Older video but this one shows your question directly

 

 

This pro gets the hands to chest relationship about equal to the address right around impact.

 

 

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

11 hours ago, Trippels said:

Older video but this one shows your question directly

 

 

This pro gets the hands to chest relationship about equal to the address right around impact.

 

 

Thanks.

 

It’s interesting that the angle doesn’t start to expand until about P5

[MonteScheinblum]

15 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

It’s common wisdom on here that you need to make sure the hands and club get off the chest and aren’t racing behind the body on the downswing.  This makes sense to me.

 

Often the P6 position and the gap between the forearm and thigh is referenced.  It seems to me that casting affects the relative P6 position for each player too much for this to be a great starting point.  If you cast, there’s no way for that gap not to exist by P6 because P6 comes earlier than it should.

 

At what point should the hands be in front of the exact center of the chest? For most pros it looks like they get there between P5 and P6. For guys like DJ it’s almost not until impact.

And is that a good measuring point of arms and hands not improperly  trailing the body for someone with a bad cast?  

The cast happens because the arms/hands are behind, not the other way around.

[MonteScheinblum]

4 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Thanks.

 

It’s interesting that the angle doesn’t start to expand until about P5

Correct, but your intent has to be much sooner if it’s expanding late.

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

3 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

The cast happens because the arms/hands are behind, not the other way around.

Yes I agree, among other issues that may be causing it.

 

But using P6 to measure how far the arms and hands are behind for someone who casts is a self fulfilling prophecy.  
 

There should be a way to measure independent of club position

[MonteScheinblum]

3 minutes ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Yes I agree, among other issues that may be causing it.

 

But using P6 to measure how far the arms and hands are behind for someone who casts is a self fulfilling prophecy.  
 

There should be a way to measure independent of club position

How early the left shoulder releases off the chin.

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

1 minute ago, MonteScheinblum said:

How early the left shoulder releases off the chin.

which you want to be ASAP right

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

which you want to be ASAP right

Yes

[Kenjr1969]

On 3/30/2023 at 12:08 PM, MonteScheinblum said:

The cast happens because the arms/hands are behind, not the other way around.

Monte, as a serial offender of having a gap between my hands and my right thigh,  is the key to getting them  in front of the thigh by moving the arms quicker in transition? Would a feel be to have them move before anything else in the downswing? I have tried virtually everything. I just recently purchased and  watched your no cast video, your efficient swing video and probably every video AMG has put out yet here I am searching for answers. Frustrating at times. 

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, Kenjr1969 said:

Monte, as a serial offender of having a gap between my hands and my right thigh,  is the key to getting them  in front of the thigh by moving the arms quicker in transition? Would a feel be to have them move before anything else in the downswing? I have tried virtually everything. I just recently purchased and  watched your no cast video, your efficient swing video and probably every video AMG has put out yet here I am searching for answers. Frustrating at times. 

That’s one feel that works and it’s a hard habit to break.  The Justin rose feel is another good one 

[MPStrat]

4 hours ago, Kenjr1969 said:

Monte, as a serial offender of having a gap between my hands and my right thigh,  is the key to getting them  in front of the thigh by moving the arms quicker in transition? Would a feel be to have them move before anything else in the downswing? I have tried virtually everything. I just recently purchased and  watched your no cast video, your efficient swing video and probably every video AMG has put out yet here I am searching for answers. Frustrating at times. 

I would be willing to bet that your backswing is making what you’re trying to do very difficult
 

[Jeselnik]

On 3/29/2023 at 9:24 PM, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

At what point should the hands be in front of the exact center of the chest? For most pros it looks like they get there between P5 and P6. For guys like DJ it’s almost not until impact.

And is that a good measuring point of arms and hands not improperly  trailing the body for someone with a bad cast?  

Fatal error…………Reboot required.

 

JNIK