Full Swing KIT Member Experience and Testing! Follow Along Here!

GolfWRX_Official · May 22

We have four lucky members visiting Full Swing this Tuesday to test out the Full Swing KIT in-person in San Diego, California! While testing the KIT, members will be under the direction of Shawn Cox (PGA, Director of Golf at The Grand Golf Club). Following the on-range testing session, members will play a round at the infamous The Grand Golf Club at the Fairmont Grand Del Mar. Members will take home their own Full Swing KIT Launch Monitor to continue testing and report back to our community about their experience.

The four members attending are...
@zap311

@double or triple?

@hartrick11

@SwingBlues

A huge thank you goes out to @FullSwingSimulators for putting on this exciting trip and testing session for our members!

double or triple? · May 22

Thank you to GolfWRX and Full Swing for this once in a life time opportunity. Looking forward to tomorrow and if any other members have a question about Full swing and/or their product, post it up here and I’ll try and get a full response from them tomorrow during the presentation.

SwingBlues · May 22

GolfWRX Experience - SwingBlues review of the Full Swing KIT Launch Monitor

It is an absolute honor to be part of the GolfWRX & Full Swing Experience on Tuesday May 23rd at The Grand Golf Club in San Diego

The WRX group had a wonderful opportunity to speak with the Full Swing team members there:

Left to right:

RyanO - Senior Director of Marketing, Full Swing

JohnD - VP of Technology, Full Swing

EvanE - Director of Product Marketing, Full Swing

SashaL - QC Specialist, Full Swing

ShawnC - GM / Director of Golf at The Grand Golf Club

FULL SWING, THE COMPANY

Full Swing is dedicated company into residential and commercial virtualization of sports. Another words, these guys know how to build simulators for golf from residential installations, all the way into commercial installations that you may NOT even know it was Full Swing (hint a certain channel on cable TV).

So, it was no surprise that Tiger Wood. Yes, the one and only El Tigre, asked this company to build him a personal launch monitor. Before Tiger's request, Full Swing did not have any Personal Launch monitors so it was a challenge that company gladly took up. Tiger was completely involved in the process, giving tons of feedback and testing. It was that fateful at the Masters, that Full Swing was welcomed into the world when Tiger took it to the Master range.

"Hello World" as El Tigre announced once before.

Or Hello Full Swing KIT

🟦🟦🟦 KITT or KIT 🟦🟦🟦

Who remembers mid 80s TV show called the Knight Rider?

How about "The Hof"?

How about super-duper, indestructible, AI before it's time, the BLACK Pontiac Firebird known as KITT?

Perhaps someone in Full Swing harpens back to the 80s, calling their Personal Launch monitor KIT (not KITT) 😂😂😂

Either that or I've had one too many beers & getting imaginative while writing this 🍻

ps don't even bring up the Cylons

STYLISH & MINIMALIST DESIGN

KIT, the personal launch monitor is satisfyingly simple.

We are talking a protective case, KIT, a charger and a USB-C cable, that's it for the hardware. The protective case is well made and padded, sings of quality in the materials used.

A nice hidden compartment inside hides the charger unit and the thick USB-C cable. We are talking a large gauge cable so it's a little stiffer than the ones we are used to from our cellphones.

The protective case is very well designed. Comes with a neat handle.

The protective case is very thoughtfully designed. Shaped like a wedge on one end to save space and conform to the shape of the cart/standbag pocket compartment.

Nice!

To set up KIT is very simple, just uplift the support leg extension in the rear, see below:

KIT has a 5.3" Full HD display on the front, as well as the KIT beam of blue light under the display.

This is the 1080P 60 FPS camera on the front:

On the side of KIT are 4 buttons. The ||| are the menu button. < > are arrows to move your selection and O selects your choice.

On the other side of KIT is the ON/OFF button. Hold it down 2 seconds to start. It will take about a minute to boot up. There is a rubber piece that you can use your finger nail to loosen and it will reveal the Unit's connecting USB-C port:

Hold the same power button down to power off KIT, takes about 15 seconds.

16 LAUNCH MONITOR DATA POINTS

Full Swing KIT captures up to 16 club/ball launch monitor data points per shot:

Carry
Spin Rate
Club Speed
Ball Speed
Smash Factor
Launch Angle
Horizontal Angle
Side Carry
Face Angle
Club Path
Face To Path
Attack Angle
Spin axis
Apex
Total
Side Total

Using the app, it will display all 16 data points. Below is an example of one of my iron shots. Pretty impressive data captured by KIT

On KIT itself, the launch monitor display can be configured to show a single data point, or it can show a grid of 4 data points where the golfer choose which ones to display!

Here is one of my buddy's driver swing. KIT was configure via the app to show Carry, Club Speed, Spin and Ball Speed:

FULL SWING KIT SPECIFICATIONS

Source: Source: https://www.fullswinggolf.com/product/kit-launch-monitor/

Dimension and Weight

Unit Dimensions: 10.23” H x 6.57” W x 2.32” D (3.74” with support leg extended); (260mm x 167mm x 59mm (95mm))

Unit Weight: 4.0 lbs (1.8 Kg)

Case Dimensions: 13” L x 8.11” W x 3.86” H (330mm x 206mm x 98mm)

Unit, Case, Charger Weight: 5.7 lbs (2.6 Kg)

Technology

Tracking: Patented, 24GHz Dual-Mode, ML Enhanced Radar

Display: 5.3” Ultra-bright, Full HD (1920×1080) OLED with 16.7 million colors

Camera: Full HD 1080p, 60 fps

Processor: Dual-core A9

Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac; Bluetooth® 5.0 BR/EDR/LE

Battery: Built-in Lithium-ion 8000mAh; Approximately 5 hours of use (depending on conditions)

USING KIT

The Full Swing KIT launch monitor can be used in 2 modes: Free Mode or Session

FREE MODE. This is where the golfer is just using KIT launch monitor only without connecting an app to it.

KIT will show the launch monitor statistics on a single shot basis. It does NOT save any information. This is a great mode to use if you just want to train at the range using basic information.

Using the buttons on the side of the Unit (see Picture above), the golfer is presented with a limited menu and can various functions like lining up KIT, club selection, normalization.

Below is an example of the functions available that the golfer can choose:

SESSION. This requires the golfer to install the Full Swing iOS app on their iPad or iPhone. Then they need to connect the app to KIT. Once connected, the golfer can initiate a SESSION through the app. A session is exactly that - KIT will record and save every shot while the session is open.

Each shot in the session will have a video and up to 16 data points per shot.

FULL SWING iOS APP

As of June 2023, Full Swing app for KIT is Apple iOS only. Android users, I'm sorry, you're out of luck. I have approached the Full Swing team about an Android version so it's on their radar but not sure when this will happen.

Full Swing does require a later Generation of iPad or iPhone. Here is the comparability list (from fullswing website)

iPhone® (10 and higher), running iOS 14 and higher

iPad® (7th generation and higher), running iOS 14 and higher

iPad® Air (3rd generation and higher), running iOS 14 and higher

iPad® Pro (all models), running iOS 14 and higher

Apple Watch® 3 or higher, running watchOS 7 or higher

Apple AirPods® or most any Bluetooth® headphones

For me, I am still using an iPad Air 2 which is Generation 2 from 2014. So far, I have not had any connection issues but the app did crash once.

I had one session where the video did not record but in the past, the videos were recorded.

I would recommend you keep or upgrade to the minimal Generation for the best user experience.

Free or Premium Subscription?

Here are the difference between the 2 subscription models. Right now it costs $99 for the Premium subscription.

While Full Swing has given the WRX testers a Premium license for free to perform testing, personally I would not hesitate to pay for the $99 especially with the historic data.

Compared to other launch monitor companies subscriptions where they will nickle and dime you, Full Swing is a single yearly payment with no hidden surprises.

Starting and using the Full Swing app is very easy

Make sure KIT is 10 feet away from the ball. NOTE this is for outdoor mode. If you are using KIT indoor, you need a minimum of 8 feet infront of the ball for the KIT radar to be effective

You can use the app to line up KIT to the target. NOTE you can place the ball anywhere between the dotted lines

Setting up "My Bag" in the App

The App comes with a "default" clubs in My Bag. Just your typical Driver, a bunch of hybrids, long irons to a number of wedges

My first impression was "Hey this is NOT my bag" and like any app, I had to figure out how to add and remove clubs I needed or did not need. A few press here, swipe here, scroll here and I was able to set up my bag. I had a Strong 3 wood and a regular 3 wood so I opted for a 2 Wood and a 3 Wood to reflect these clubs in My Bag.

If you have time, you add more details to each club like the Brand and model and also what shaft.

I think what's missing is the key detail like LOFT.

Use the finger to scroll to the Club you want to add:

And My Bag is now set

FULL SWING KIT compared to Foresight GC3

Authors note - the Foresight GC3 LM is borrowed from my buddy. As such, I do not have the Foresight app which has more better UI than the unit's LCD display. This is OK as the purpose was to compare how both units would measure shots.

The Foresight GC3, from a price point point of view, is the most comparable Personal Launch Monitor at around $6,000 to $8,000.

GC3 is a camera based launch monitor. As the "3" implies, there are 3 cameras that work together to capture the ball flight as well the as the club movement. The upper end GC Quad aka GC4 uses 4 cameras but price for that is around $14,000+

NOTE in order to capture the club data, reflective dots has to be placed on the club

The GC3 unit is placed in front of the golfer. The ball is then placed inside it's camera grid and the golfer just swings away.

Physical Comparison KIT vs GC3

The shape of the GC3 appears odd but its very easy to handle and adjust. You can hook fingers under the upper, black rear area to grab it and easy to move around.

However, when it comes to putting these units inside the golf bag - KIT, even with it's protective case, is an easy fit in the bag pockets. GC3 is too fat and cumbersome.

Launch Monitor Alignment

KIT uses an internal camera to align to a far target. You can use the App or use KIT's display screen. Here is the App alignment

GC3 provides a folding alignment stick. User unfolds that, point it to the target and then use GC3 LCD panel to calibrate the direction.

Measured Data Points - KIT versus GC3

Pitching Wedge Comparison

Carry is 2 yards difference

Ball Speed is like 1 mph difference

Spin is almost DEAD ON ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)

8 Iron Comparison

Carry is 1 yard difference

Ball Speed is SPOT ON ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)

Spin is DEAD ON ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)

Driver Comparison

Carry is 1 yard difference

Ball Speed is SPOT ON ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)

Spin is DEAD ON ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)

WOW! Just WOW!

This exactly reflects what WRXers saw in the Full Swing Competition Bay at The Grand on Tuesday May 23. We had an upper end GC Quad and a Trackman4 that day.

To me, this INDEPENDENTLY validate what we saw using Foresight's mid end Launch Monitor.

As a note, I saw shots registered on KIT but I did not see same shot register on the GC3. It was cold, evening and cloudy when I did my testing. I know as I had seen a 251 carry drive shot register on KIT but did not see it at all on the GC3 LCD. Disappointing & puzzling.

The other note, the FS App session I had running did not record any videos at all for any shots in the session. Typically, this is automatic as I had other past sessions and they all had videos. And I did check the settings, video is turned on.

WORK IN-PROGRESS, to be continued...

Edited yesterday at 05:08 AM by SwingBlues

SwingBlues · May 22

WOW!

Thank you @GolfWRX_Officialand Full Swing. I am so looking forward to meeting the Full Swing crew and working with Shawn tomorrow to understand and test this fabulous launch monitor.

As well @knudson81 will be there with us at the event and for me personally, it will be fun to finally meet DA MAN in person who is the WRX social media face on the podcasts and YouTube 👍

We are in an interesting time at this moment with the Launch Monitor market, benefiting us mortal golfers without taking out a car size loan for a Trackman or GC4. I certainly don't and I only used a PRGR

I have been looking up on Full Swing KIT online and it is SLEEK and it's had maturity time. Every new LM goes thru a "growing pain". KIT is no exception but Full Swing are listening and responsive to the feedbacks. But I do have questions myself to the KIT crew that I would like to ask them

So, please, lets add your questions. I will be posting and upload as much as I can here on WRX thread with photos, comment et al...

This is going to be FUN 👍👍👍

double or triple? · May 22

Reserved for Kit Testing feedback***

5/27/23 - first range session with FSK - using iPad for interface.

Got to range and took less than 60 seconds to turn FSK on and connect. The kit has some weight to it so after setting my down range view I didn’t need to move it or worry it falling over with a gust of wind. All data was displayed perfectly after impact on the front facing OLED display showing my preferred view of Carry/Launch/Spin/smash. Customizing the display view was even easier for me using the iPad but preference going forward would be to utilize my iPhone just so I don’t have to bring the iPad with me to the range. Switching between clubs was easy as it just requires you push the current iron button then choose your next club choice and whether you want to switch targets or stay with current target (less than 30 second total from initial click to confirming choice and back to hitting next shot). So far very impressed with simple process for general use on range.

5/27/23

second session

Second session with FSK and just like the first one very little time spent setting up the unit but this time we did have two disconnects between iPad and unit but both were easily reconnected in a matter of seconds.

Using range balls again but also dropped a couple new ChromeSoft X balls to compare data with 7i and driver. While my 9 handicap was on display perfectly the full swing kit registered each shot and with the exception of 1 deleted bad shot, each shot’s data was displayed within a second of impact except for spin and carry which displayed about 1-2 seconds after impact down range occurred. Great experiences so far but to get feedback back from a long time user I was able to meet the teaching pro at the range I’m using for testing - PGA teacher / member Ryan Kolk. He and his team have 4 units amongst themselves and use them both personally and with their students during lessons. Ryan spent time dialing in his knowledge of the range balls vs proV1x (gamer) to better understand the FSK and he believes the consistency is there with the FSK and within trackman and GC/Foresight models. His preference is to use FSK while testing shafts and new product before using them in his personal playing bag which as a GolfWRX member is 100% appreciated. For his better students he believes the information like Face to Path and Club Path that FullSwing Kit offers is great to help them understand what their swing is doing and use that information to better themselves.

Edited Sunday at 04:37 PM by double or triple?

getair23 · May 22

Don't have too much fun tonight and eat your Wheaties in the morning 😃, we're looking forward to some great data from this group. Enjoy, sounds amazing!

hartrick11 · May 22

HUGE thank you to Full Swing, GolfWRX and the Grand! Perfect excuse for a vacation day, and I can't wait to meet everyone and test this bad boy out. I'll do everything I can to make this as useful as possible for other readers here - please let us know what questions you have!

zap311 · May 22

Thank you @GolfWRX_Official and Full Swing for this incredible opportunity! I'm excited to meet the team tomorrow and to learn more about the KIT. I am a golf nut and really enjoy understanding performance data. I can't wait to see how the KIT works and share the details with everyone. I'm also looking forward to meeting Shawn from The Grand Golf Club and the famous @knudson81.

Pictures and updates to come tomorrow! 😄 🔥

double or triple? · May 22

So I will post a bit about my swing in anticipation of tomorrows event

40 y.o.

9.9 handicap

SS with driver is 98 average 220-235 carry most rounds.

Going in to this I’m looking to get baselines over next two weeks then focus on improving to see if I can either: bring scores down consistently or get yardages/gapping consistent to within 5 yds 7 out of 10 times.

zap311 · May 22

*Reserved Post for KIT Testing Review/Feedback

Carolina Golfer 2 · May 22

42 minutes ago, double or triple? said:

So I will post a bit about my swing in anticipation of tomorrows event

40 y.o.

9.9 handicap

SS with driver is 98 average 220-235 carry most rounds.

Going in to this I’m looking to get baselines over next two weeks then focus on improving to see if I can either: bring scores down consistently or get yardages/gapping consistent to within 5 yds 7 out of 10 times.

Really looking forward to seeing and hearing your thoughts on this!

knudson81 · May 22

Sitting at the airport now, just polished off some Popeyes, and waiting to get on my way to Carlsbad! Excited to meet you guys in person and we should have a great time. I have been using the KIT for my podcast for a year or so now and like it a lot!

SwingBlues · May 22

1 hour ago, knudson81 said:

Sitting at the airport now, just polished off some Popeyes, and waiting to get on my way to Carlsbad! Excited to meet you guys in person and we should have a great time. I have been using the KIT for my podcast for a year or so now and like it a lot!

This is a GR8 video put out by Knudsen GolfWRX, it's the more recent one... Tursky IS JUST FLAT OUT BOMBING IT 💣💣💣💣💣💣

WETTING THE APPETITE FOR 2MORO 🍹🥂

Edited May 22 by SwingBlues

ALIF · May 22

I have one that I've been using for the last six months and I absolutely love it! It is very accurate compared to trackman.

SwingBlues · May 22

8 minutes ago, ALIF said:

I have one that I've been using for the last six months and I absolutely love it! It is very accurate compared to trackman.

I plan on using it outdoors because I like to see the ball fly in real time. But that also mean, because I am in Los Angeles, more higher temps in the blazing sun here?

That's one of the questions I'd like to learn is how KIT will handle highs and low temps. Obviously, temps also effects ball flights as well and I do know KIT has "normalization".

Be interesting to see the feedback from the FS Team

ALIF · May 22

35 minutes ago, SwingBlues said:

I plan on using it outdoors because I like to see the ball fly in real time. But that also mean, because I am in Los Angeles, more higher temps in the blazing sun here?

That's one of the questions I'd like to learn is how KIT will handle highs and low temps. Obviously, temps also effects ball flights as well and I do know KIT has "normalization".

Be interesting to see the feedback from the FS Team

I've had it in the sun for several hours without any issues. However you could always set it next to your golf bag and open your umbrella to shade it if you wanted to.

getair23 · May 22

55 minutes ago, SwingBlues said:

I plan on using it outdoors because I like to see the ball fly in real time. But that also mean, because I am in Los Angeles, more higher temps in the blazing sun here?

That's one of the questions I'd like to learn is how KIT will handle highs and low temps. Obviously, temps also effects ball flights as well and I do know KIT has "normalization".

Be interesting to see the feedback from the FS Team

Also curious if settings can be adjusted for different balls. Like range ball, gamer etc…

SwingBlues · May 23

6 hours ago, getair23 said:

Also curious if settings can be adjusted for different balls. Like range ball, gamer etc…

I thought I saw some ball choice in the app when you set up the session. Hmnmh. Premium was one of them if I recall correctly. Anyway, we can add this Q to see what they have for Normalization choices and perhaps what's coming up next also.