Driver SS 107 ball Plus/Minus??

[N.Lesyshen]

Hello I finally got a Launch monitor to measure my swing and driver SS has showed 106mph avg after 10 normal swings. I currently have been playing Z-Star XV since they came out years ago but switching over to Bridgestone again so there are 2 for my game and don't know which cause ones 105+ and one is 105below. What would the downsides of going tge tge Bridgestone Tour B-RX if made for below 105 when I'm just over it? I can see someone at 100 then game tge RX or if 110 Game the X but when you are right on the bubble of 2 balls which one you choose? Did 7 iron and shows 93ss

 

[njmack]

I would just play the B X, it's wayy softer around the greens than the RX and it's not even close. Retains the launch/spin characteristics of an X ball in the long game, too. FWIW I'm at 100-105mph and I don't think twice about it.

[N.Lesyshen]

Just found out about Pro V1X LEFT DASH balls which from everything I've read and watch would suit my swing and spin characteristics. I want a straighter ball off tee and to lower some spin because my driver (Mizzy STG 220) is one of the lowest spin drivers out there and I'm getting 3400rpm avg so need less spin for more carry and roll. Plus I have high spin irons and wedges with my 7 iron spinning 8600rpm avg. Going to order a dozen and try LM again to test.

[MiloMalt]

14 hours ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Just found out about Pro V1X LEFT DASH balls which from everything I've read and watch would suit my swing and spin characteristics. I want a straighter ball off tee and to lower some spin because my driver (Mizzy STG 220) is one of the lowest spin drivers out there and I'm getting 3400rpm avg so need less spin for more carry and roll. Plus I have high spin irons and wedges with my 7 iron spinning 8600rpm avg. Going to order a dozen and try LM again to test.

You're spinning the XV that much?

[N.Lesyshen]

6 hours ago, MiloMalt said:

You're spinning the XV that much?

Ya I've always been a crazy high Spinner for some reason but that's what LM shows. Ill test clubs out again today for W, 7 and driver

[phizzy30]

22 hours ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Just found out about Pro V1X LEFT DASH balls which from everything I've read and watch would suit my swing and spin characteristics. I want a straighter ball off tee and to lower some spin because my driver (Mizzy STG 220) is one of the lowest spin drivers out there and I'm getting 3400rpm avg so need less spin for more carry and roll. Plus I have high spin irons and wedges with my 7 iron spinning 8600rpm avg. Going to order a dozen and try LM again to test.

Left dash isn't gonna reduce spin by 1000 rpm for driver.  You may see 300-500 rpm difference at most.  There's something about your swing and setup that's making the ball spin so much. 

[N.Lesyshen]

23 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Left dash isn't gonna reduce spin by 1000 rpm for driver.  You may see 300-500 rpm difference at most.  There's something about your swing and setup that's making the ball spin so much. 

Ever few hundred RPM will help plus I'm at 9* setup with too high Apex so if I bring down to 7* will reduce spin more combined with the ball. We will test and see

[enfuego]

I've also been high spin through the bag from a weak grip. Had to go 8* sim and strong lofted irons. Played the 2019 tp5x which was one of the lowest spinning and worked we'll. Hard to find 2019s now so I've compromised with 2021 and getting more spin around the green while still being pretty low spin the rest of the bag. Firm balls will launch higher so if you need lower launch too then tour response and avx are lower spinning lower launching.

 

Balls and will only get you so far. Shafts even less of an impact. Decreasing loft is the other option if you don't want to go through any swing changes.

[hammergolf]

53 minutes ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Ever few hundred RPM will help plus I'm at 9* setup with too high Apex so if I bring down to 7* will reduce spin more combined with the ball. We will test and see

Please don’t take this the wrong way. To have that much spin on your driver it’s not fit correctly or your delivery is adding spin. A ball can help slightly, a shaft can help slightly, and adjusting your delivery can help. Tell me more about your driver setup, your club path, face angle, and dynamic loft numbers. From there you can make adjustments to equipment.

[N.Lesyshen]

2 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Please don’t take this the wrong way. To have that much spin on your driver it’s not fit correctly or your delivery is adding spin. A ball can help slightly, a shaft can help slightly, and adjusting your delivery can help. Tell me more about your driver setup, your club path, face angle, and dynamic loft numbers. From there you can make adjustments to equipment.

Mizuno STG220 set at 9* both weights in toe (cause my misses are hooks if don't clear hips) Hzrdus RDX Smoke Black 6.5 (Xstiff) with Hextow 60gr standard length. I did a bunch more hits today with 7*, 8*, 9* 11* and here are all the outcomes.

 

SRIXON z-Star XV used for all swings into the net 15 feet away

Mizzy 7* setting both weights tie

Carry 264.7

Total 281.6

SS     104.4

Ball Speed 155.5

Launch 17.8

Smash 1.49

Apex 153.6ft

Spin 3663

 

Mizzy 8* setting  both weights toe

Carry 263.7 

Total 280.5 

SS     104

Ball Speed 155.4

Launch 18.5

Smash 1.49 

Apex 159.5ft 

Spin 3721

 

Mizzy 9* setting both weights toe

Carry 256

Total 273.5

SS     105.7

Ball Speed 151.4

Launch 16.2

Smash 1.43

Apex 133.6ft

Spin 3764

 

Mizzy 9* setting  1 weight back middle and 1 toe

Carry 266.5 

Total 283.2

SS     104.5

Ball Speed 156.3

Launch 17.6

Smash 1.50

Apex 153ft 

Spin 3638

 

Mizzy 11* setting both weights toe

Carry 249.2

Total 266.7

SS     103.3

Ball Speed 150.1

Launch 19.8

Smash 1.45

Apex 162.5ft

Spin 4028

 

Edited June 4 by N.Lesyshen

[Rbsiedsc]

34 minutes ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Mizuno STG220 set at 9* both weights in toe (cause my misses are hooks if don't clear hips) Hzrdus RDX Smoke Black 6.5 (Xstiff) with Hextow 60gr standard length. I did a bunch more hits today with 7*, 8*, 9* 11* and here are all the outcomes.

 

SRIXON z-Star XV used for all swings into the net 15 feet away

Mizzy 7* setting both weights tie

Carry 264.7

Total 281.6

SS     104.4

Ball Speed 155.5

Launch 17.8

Smash 1.49

Apex 153.6ft

Spin 3663

 

Mizzy 8* setting  both weights toe

Carry 263.7 

Total 280.5 

SS     104

Ball Speed 155.4

Launch 18.5

Smash 1.49 

Apex 159.5ft 

Spin 3721

 

Mizzy 9* setting both weights toe

Carry 256

Total 273.5

SS     105.7

Ball Speed 151.4

Launch 16.2

Smash 1.43

Apex 133.6ft

Spin 3764

 

Mizzy 9* setting  1 weight back middle and 1 toe

Carry 266.5 

Total 283.2

SS     104.5

Ball Speed 156.3

Launch 17.6

Smash 1.50

Apex 153ft 

Spin 3638

 

Mizzy 11* setting both weights toe

Carry 249.2

Total 266.7

SS     103.3

Ball Speed 150.1

Launch 19.8

Smash 1.45

Apex 162.5ft

Spin 4028

 

What are you using for a device? That seems odd to spin so much and get that distance 

[hammergolf]

Do you have any clubhead data? Peak height is about 30-40ft too high, and spin is 1,000rpms too high. That should not happen with a 7* driver at your speed regardless of shaft or ball. I’m going to make an assumption since I don’t have clubhead data, but I think it’s not the club or ball. Given the data you gave you me, you are adding a lot of dynamic loft. Generally this is caused by a couple of delivery issues. First would be an excessive upward attack angle causing low face contact which causes high launch AND high spin since you’re delivering a lot of dynamic loft and a low strike increases spin. An easy way to check this is to get some foot power spray and spray it on the face of your driver to see where contact is being made. Another possible cause is your club path and face angle at impact. Purely a guess here, but I’m going to guess your club path is left (if you’re a rh golfer) and your club face is open compared to your path. This creates excess spin since it’s more of a glancing blow. I think this is the major issue since your miss is left. The last issue could be a low/heel side strike. On almost every club, this strike location will create more spin. 

[N.Lesyshen]

30 minutes ago, Rbsiedsc said:

What are you using for a device? That seems odd to spin so much and get that distance 

SC300i cause just wanted something cheaper till winter that could get some basic numbers before spending $1000 on a R10 or equal to get spin. Had a budget for driver and a cheap LM cause from everything I have read the SC300i was within 300ish RPM of Trackman for everyone who tested side by side. So was pretty happy getting rough numbers until winter sets in and can upgrade for inside garage

[N.Lesyshen]

36 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

Do you have any clubhead data? Peak height is about 30-40ft too high, and spin is 1,000rpms too high. That should not happen with a 7* driver at your speed regardless of shaft or ball. I’m going to make an assumption since I don’t have clubhead data, but I think it’s not the club or ball. Given the data you gave you me, you are adding a lot of dynamic loft. Generally this is caused by a couple of delivery issues. First would be an excessive upward attack angle causing low face contact which causes high launch AND high spin since you’re delivering a lot of dynamic loft and a low strike increases spin. An easy way to check this is to get some foot power spray and spray it on the face of your driver to see where contact is being made. Another possible cause is your club path and face angle at impact. Purely a guess here, but I’m going to guess your club path is left (if you’re a rh golfer) and your club face is open compared to your path. This creates excess spin since it’s more of a glancing blow. I think this is the major issue since your miss is left. The last issue could be a low/heel side strike. On almost every club, this strike location will create more spin. 

Using Dry shampoo spray my contacts are pretty much all center clubface and not low. Also when hitting 7 iron you can see strikes and wear is in center of the face. I cant see clubface open and glancing it cause i dont fade or slice when playing balls down a course. Either straight , Draw or miss hits are pull hooks when my hands get ahead of my hips. Guess I'll have to set up from side so can see swing in slow motion and verify

Edited June 4 by N.Lesyshen

[hammergolf]

7 minutes ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Using Dry shampoo spray my contacts are pretty much all center clubface and not low. Also when hitting 7 iron you can see strikes and wear is in center of the face. I cant see clubface open and glancing it cause i dont fade or slice when playing balls down a course. Either straight , Draw or miss hits are pull hooks when my hands get ahead of my hips. Guess I'll have to set up from side so can see swing in slow motion and verify

If the face isn’t open to path, you’ve just got to be adding TONS of dynamic loft. Don’t take this the wrong way, but the issue isn’t the club or ball. I don’t have your speed, but I’m around 16* launch with around 2,600 spin with a driver set at 7*. I have a +3-4 AoA. Something with your delivery is causing most the spin issue. My recommendation is to go get a fitting where they can give you clubhead data. 

[enfuego]

13 minutes ago, N.Lesyshen said:

SC300i cause just wanted something cheaper till winter that could get some basic numbers before spending $1000 on a R10 or equal to get spin. Had a budget for driver and a cheap LM cause from everything I have read the SC300i was within 300ish RPM of Trackman for everyone who tested side by side. So was pretty happy getting rough numbers until winter sets in and can upgrade for inside garage

The new sc4 from the same company had/has an issue hitting into a net indoors where it calculates spin almost +2000k and then calculates carry off that. Could be the same errors on the older device. What are your drives doing on course? Any way to get in front of a gc2 or GC quad? Trackman indoor only works if you have the right balls or use trackman outdoor.

[N.Lesyshen]

5 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

If the face isn’t open to path, you’ve just got to be adding TONS of dynamic loft. Don’t take this the wrong way, but the issue isn’t the club or ball. I don’t have your speed, but I’m around 16* launch with around 2,600 spin with a driver set at 7*. I have a +3-4 AoA. Something with your delivery is causing most the spin issue. My recommendation is to go get a fitting where they can give you clubhead data. 

Ya guess I'll have to head to the 1 place in town that has a GC Quad and rent for an hour. They close it for golf season cause use it for storage but ill see if they will clear some room so I can get data for you to see what I'm doing cause I'm intrigued myself. I've always outdone everyone I've played with in the air but never get any roll and sometimes have had drivers pop back after landing and always short roll out. That's why I've been trying to find club and balls to run out

[N.Lesyshen]

This was the 7 iron stats and the Dynamic loft is roughly 10-12* less than 33* standard 7 iron loft. Smash factor must be wrong cause shows me about 10 yards less carry than on course where my 7 iron is 175-177 carry. I'll have to video my swing from side to see why driver is giving such high dynamic loft cause I don't scoop or lean back I end up with weight on leading foot. Hope we can figure this out with video cause I hate solid contact with such high RPM and Apex on driver.

[N.Lesyshen]

Took slow motion video for you. Even though shaft is X-stiff 6.5 Hzrdus RDX Smoke looks like before contact shaft is kicking through already when behind mat. I know I don't have a pretty swing but all these years of baseball have turned it into this...lol.

[gioreeko]

that's good swing speed for using almost zero lower body. I'd suggest watching some Dr. Kwon videos on Youtube, his simple drills will get your lower body more involved. After doing some of his drills, my SS is up around 120mph now at 57 years old.

[N.Lesyshen]

5 minutes ago, gioreeko said:

that's good swing speed for using almost zero lower body. I'd suggest watching some Dr. Kwon videos on Youtube, his simple drills will get your lower body more involved. After doing some of his drills, my SS is up around 120mph now at 57 years old.

I'll check them out for sure

[N.Lesyshen]

Would using too stiff flex load and release too early causing launch angle issues? I have few shaft sleeves on way to try different shafts but if say a stuff flex will stay loaded longer thus keep loft lower from delayed release tgat Xstiff has?

[dfeldss]

8 minutes ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Would using too stiff flex load and release too early causing launch angle issues? I have few shaft sleeves on way to try different shafts but if say a stuff flex will stay loaded longer thus keep loft lower from delayed release tgat Xstiff has?

 

Nah. Listen to what everyone's saying man. You use the equipment to tweak something into a tight a window that you want. You're pretty far from that window, and would be better suited figuring out why you launch it like you do. 

 

Bonus is  that'll be a cheaper fix than trying 5 different shafts and balls. 

[N.Lesyshen]

3 minutes ago, dfeldss said:

 

Nah. Listen to what everyone's saying man. You use the equipment to tweak something into a tight a window that you want. You're pretty far from that window, and would be better suited figuring out why you launch it like you do. 

 

Bonus is  that'll be a cheaper fix than trying 5 different shafts and balls. 

Like I've said million times on here I live in small town that doesn't have anywhere to go try multiple shafts and get fitted. Closest place would be 4-5 hours away so thats why I have always bought used shafts and multiple adapters to hit balls and see what's the best then play. Now I got a basic personal LM so is first time I was ever able to see actual SS, Launch angle and such so trying to use what I have to test. I only play few times a year but hopefully next year get back into a membership. I have a bunch of shafts from 3 differnt Hzrdus shafts, Few Motore F1 smokes, few Diamana Flowerband and Ahinas. So I'll put sleeves on and see what the Launch is. All I can do is post a video and the numbers hopeing someone says "AAAHAAA I see what you are doing" Wish I lived in 90% of your guys towns with huge club fitters and every shaft and head imaginable to test.

[dfeldss]

5 minutes ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Like I've said million times on here I live in small town that doesn't have anywhere to go try multiple shafts and get fitted. Closest place would be 4-5 hours away so thats why I have always bought used shafts and multiple adapters to hit balls and see what's the best then play. Now I got a basic personal LM so is first time I was ever able to see actual SS, Launch angle and such so trying to use what I have to test. I only play few times a year but hopefully next year get back into a membership. I have a bunch of shafts from 3 differnt Hzrdus shafts, Few Motore F1 smokes, few Diamana Flowerband and Ahinas. So I'll put sleeves on and see what the Launch is. All I can do is post a video and the numbers hopeing someone says "AAAHAAA I see what you are doing" Wish I lived in 90% of your guys towns with huge club fitters and every shaft and head imaginable to test.

 

Kind of missing the point. You don't need to try a billion shafts. You need to tune up your swing. If you're in a small town, find a coach on skillest and get a lesson or two to figure things out. 

[N.Lesyshen]

17 minutes ago, dfeldss said:

 

Kind of missing the point. You don't need to try a billion shafts. You need to tune up your swing. If you're in a small town, find a coach on skillest and get a lesson or two to figure things out. 

So they make million different shafts for different swings and you are saying not to try different shafts to fit how I swing??? That's really weird

[dfeldss]

2 minutes ago, N.Lesyshen said:

So they make million different shafts for different swings and you are saying not to try different shafts to fit how I swing??? That's really weird

 

If you want to spend a bunch of money on shafts, then by all means do it. I like trying equipment as much as the next guy.

 

I'm just saying there's a better (and cheaper!) approach to changing launch than equipment. Shafts don't change launch that much generally. Like i said, it's more to really dial it into a window

[N.Lesyshen]

1 hour ago, dfeldss said:

 

If you want to spend a bunch of money on shafts, then by all means do it. I like trying equipment as much as the next guy.

 

I'm just saying there's a better (and cheaper!) approach to changing launch than equipment. Shafts don't change launch that much generally. Like i said, it's more to really dial it into a window

Ya I know what you are saying and thank you. All I mean is if someone like me doesn't have a true fitter then just wanted to know if shafts would ateleast bring down 5* or so cause after fooling around with Ball farther back so almost middle shaft was avg 16* Launch. Just really weird playing driver where I play my 5iron...lol. In slow motion I noticed on downswing club bends but before I get to ball looks like it already released

[hammergolf]

9 hours ago, N.Lesyshen said:

This was the 7 iron stats and the Dynamic loft is roughly 10-12* less than 33* standard 7 iron loft. Smash factor must be wrong cause shows me about 10 yards less carry than on course where my 7 iron is 175-177 carry. I'll have to video my swing from side to see why driver is giving such high dynamic loft cause I don't scoop or lean back I end up with weight on leading foot. Hope we can figure this out with video cause I hate solid contact with such high RPM and Apex on driver.

What are the club head details? In addition, what type of machine are these numbers from?

[hammergolf]

4 hours ago, N.Lesyshen said:

Like I've said million times on here I live in small town that doesn't have anywhere to go try multiple shafts and get fitted. Closest place would be 4-5 hours away so thats why I have always bought used shafts and multiple adapters to hit balls and see what's the best then play. Now I got a basic personal LM so is first time I was ever able to see actual SS, Launch angle and such so trying to use what I have to test. I only play few times a year but hopefully next year get back into a membership. I have a bunch of shafts from 3 differnt Hzrdus shafts, Few Motore F1 smokes, few Diamana Flowerband and Ahinas. So I'll put sleeves on and see what the Launch is. All I can do is post a video and the numbers hopeing someone says "AAAHAAA I see what you are doing" Wish I lived in 90% of your guys towns with huge club fitters and every shaft and head imaginable to test.

Your data is only as good as the machine giving it to you. Without seeing club info it’s a guess at best…..