New AMG shaft lean video

[bt1717]

Another video from the guys over at Athletic Motion Golf challenging yet another concept in the golf swing.

 

What do you guys think?

Edited June 5 by bt1717

[Chunkitgood]

Never heard of that “myth” precisely.

 

“Arm swing myth” sounds familiar.  Calling Mr. Waldron?  (Is that his name?)

 

The golf swing is primarily a body movement, in which the body is the primary power generator and the primary control mechanism.  When they debunk that let me know.

[rondo01]

Totally misunderstood it first go around. Seems to align with Tyler’s findings as well. Forgot this video existed.

 

https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/wipe-rotational/

Edited June 5 by rondo01

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

Love AMG but this one misses the mark IMO.

 

Shaft lean is all about not having to flip to square the club which requires squaring the club with your body and/or arms.  They just gloss over this. 
 

The last thing most golfers need to work on is being on the trail side at impact.

[Rdailey9108]

Let's see if we can get this thread to 50 pages like the last AMG post.

[Sean124]

[Elkhair]

5 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Love AMG but this one misses the mark IMO.

 

Shaft lean is all about not having to flip to square the club which requires squaring the club with your body and/or arms.  They just gloss over this. 
 

The last thing most golfers need to work on is being on the trail side at impact.

I think you missed the whole point of the video. You literally cant not hit the ball unless you flip. The wrists will always go into extension before and after impact.

Edited June 5 by Elkhair
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[RoyalTroon]

5 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

The last thing most golfers need to work on is being on the trail side at impact.

 

They're not.

 

6 hours ago, bt1717 said:

Another video from the guys over at Athletic Motion Golf challenging yet another concept in the golf swing.   What do you guys think?

 

Martin Ayers has been on about this discussion dynamic longer than deciding to put up a video about it, so have others.   I think AMG might be out foraging more food.

 

 

 

 

 

[iacas]

5 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Love AMG but this one misses the mark IMO.

 

Shaft lean is all about not having to flip to square the club which requires squaring the club with your body and/or arms.  They just gloss over this. 
 

The last thing most golfers need to work on is being on the trail side at impact.

I disagree. Taught this lesson earlier yesterday. I’ve taught a lot of lessons where I tell people from the top to get the hands down to their right thigh and turn through from there.

 

This video and the Chasing Scratch one pair nicely IMO.

[i*windows]

looks a little like Monte's no turn cast

[getitdaily]

Really good video. Exactly what I've moved into.

 

[MPStrat]

This is very good overall. Nothing groundbreaking but they have a large faithful audience of many who will be shocked by this video. This will be helpful. This is what teachers who teach rotation mean when they say  “slow the arms down to get open” — I know this can be interpreted/misinterpreted in many ways, but this is what they mean. If the arms start racing toward the center line of the body too early, the body freezes and will not rotate.

 

[getitdaily]

11 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

This is very good overall. Nothing groundbreaking but they have a large faithful audience of many who will be shocked by this video. This will be helpful. This is what teachers who teach rotation mean when they say  “slow the arms down to get open” — I know this can be interpreted/misinterpreted in many ways, but this is what they mean. If the arms start racing toward the center line of the body too early, the body freezes and will not rotate.

 

I believe, when done correctly, the arms coming down is effortless, the biggest key is patience.

 

Combine this video with the one where they talk about backswing handspeed maxing out at p3 and you get an idea of the effortless drop.

 

Watch this video with their video on downswing handspeed and you can get the opposite thought/feeling.

 

Add in that it all happens so fast and you can see why it's a complicated move to get right.

[Varry_Hardon]

2 hours ago, BALLYBUNION said:

Martin Ayers has been on about this discussion dynamic longer than deciding to put up a video about it, so have others.   I think AMG might be out foraging more food.

 

37 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

This is very good overall. Nothing groundbreaking but they have a large faithful audience of many who will be shocked by this video. This will be helpful. This is what teachers who teach rotation mean when they say  “slow the arms down to get open” — I know this can be interpreted/misinterpreted in many ways, but this is what they mean. If the arms start racing toward the center line of the body too early, the body freezes and will not rotate.

Thought about you both when seeing that video was about hitting it on the trail side. Think it helps blend the 'pivot hard, do nothing with your arms' absolute and the 'extend that trail elbow as fast as you can from the top' absolute (and the endless debates) into the continnum of lowering arms 'some' and pivoting. 

[MK7Golf21]

1 hour ago, MPStrat said:

This is very good overall. Nothing groundbreaking but they have a large faithful audience of many who will be shocked by this video. This will be helpful. This is what teachers who teach rotation mean when they say  “slow the arms down to get open” — I know this can be interpreted/misinterpreted in many ways, but this is what they mean. If the arms start racing toward the center line of the body too early, the body freezes and will not rotate.

 

 

I think this is funny because they are teaching the same exact concept as the ams vs. pros shallowing video that you didn't agree with and debating against for weeks/months.

[MPStrat]

14 minutes ago, Varry_Hardon said:

Think it helps blend the 'pivot hard, do nothing with your arms' absolute and the 'extend that trail elbow as fast as you can from the top' absolute (and the endless debates) into the continnum of lowering arms 'some' and pivoting. 

I haven’t seen anyone argue to do nothing with the arms. Just that some pros lower more than others and that the amount

of lowering taught could be described as a preference. 
 

Where I think this video helps is that there are some people who think lowering the arms means to get your arms in front of your body sooner in the downswing. 

 

This video does a good job of showing that the look of the hands behind the trail leg at p6 isn’t resolved by racing the arms toward the midline of the body from the top of the swing. 

[MPStrat]

2 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

I think this is funny because they are teaching the same exact concept as the ams vs. pros shallowing video that you didn't agree with and debating against for weeks/months.

Is that the same thread where I posted a video of two pros and you said they both get their right elbow in front of their right hip? 
 

No, it’s not the same thing at all actually.

[MK7Golf21]

Just now, MPStrat said:

Is that the same thread where I posted a video of two pros and you said they both get their right elbow in front of their right hip? 
 

No, it’s not the same thing at all actually.

 

Have no idea what you are talking about with me saying something about a right elbow but whatever....

 

It's actually the exact same which I why I don't think you really got it and just kept debating.

[MPStrat]

Just now, MK7Golf21 said:

 

Have no idea what you are talking about with me saying something about a right elbow but whatever.....

Yes, you said both players had their right elbow in front of their right hip. That’s an extremely damaging myth that prevails among amateurs. I’m glad AMG put that to rest in this video. It is ironic that you claim I didn’t get their shallowing video after making a claim like that. 

 

This recent video covers more of the forward plane of motion, the shallowing video covers more of the up and down plane of motion. 
 

I didn’t come into this thread to argue with anyone and gave a compliment to AMG. 

 

[MK7Golf21]

9 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

Yes, you said both players had their right elbow in front of their right hip. That’s an extremely damaging myth that prevails among amateurs. I’m glad AMG put that to rest in this video. It is ironic that you claim I didn’t get their shallowing video after making a claim like that. 

 

This recent video covers more of the forward plane of motion, the shallowing video covers more of the up and down plane of motion. 
 

I didn’t come into this thread to argue with anyone and gave a compliment to AMG. 

 

 

Again I have no idea what you are talking, you are providing no evidence or context of what I supposedly said about a right elbow but again, whatever.

 

You are also wrong, they covered the forward plane of motion in detail of the shallowing video. It was literally one of the main points. Again, they also talk about bringing the arms down and not dragging them forward in this video as well. Literally, the same exact concepts.

 

[MK7Golf21]

also, the drills for the proper move they are teaching as exactly the same in both videos. Exactly the same......

[MPStrat]

10 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

You are also wrong, they covered the forward plane of motion in detail of the shallowing video. It was literally one of the main points. Again, they also talk about bringing the arms down and not dragging them forward in this video as well. Literally, the same exact concepts.

 

They didn’t cover the forward plane of motion in detail in the shallowing video. I’m guessing that’s why they made this video. To cover it in detail. In the shallowing video they said something to the effect of and I’m paraphrasing that “the body provides” most of the forward movement of the club. Which I said I agreed with many times in the shallowing thread. It was discussed. 
 

I don’t agree with everything in the shallowing video. This isn’t the shallowing video thread. 

[MK7Golf21]

18 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

They didn’t cover the forward plane of motion in detail in the shallowing video. I’m guessing that’s why they made this video. To cover it in detail. In the shallowing video they said something to the effect of and I’m paraphrasing that “the body provides” most of the forward movement of the club. Which I said I agreed with many times in the shallowing thread. It was discussed. 
 

I don’t agree with everything in the shallowing video. This isn’t the shallowing video thread. 

 

That is incorrect. It was one of the main points I got from the shallowing video and I kept expressing in my comments for that thread, contrary to what you say. The arms and hands not dragging forward of the center line. I have referenced it below in the video. Again the drill they provide for both videos is exactly the same, the blender drill. It's a drill which emphasizes not dragging your hands and elbow forward or leaving them up which is covered in this video as well.

 

 

Edited June 5 by MK7Golf21

[MPStrat]

8 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

That is incorrect. It was one of the main points I got from the shallowing video and I kept expressing in my comments for that thread, contrary to what you say. The arms and hands not dragging forward of the center line. I have referenced it below in the video. Again the drill they provide for both videos is exactly the same, the blender drill. It's a drill which emphasizes not dragging your hands and elbow forward or leaving them up which is covered in this video as well.

 

 

This has sort of gotten off topic but I’m not a huge fan of the blender drill. However, I am a big fan of not trying to pull the arms forward. So you see, I can like one and not the other as much. If anyone wanted to know why in detail, they can read the shallowing thread. It’s pretty much all covered there. 

[Soloman1]

5 hours ago, Elkhair said:

The wrists will always go into extension before and after impact.

 

Only for the not-so-good player.

Elite golfers are still in flexion at impact, just moving toward extension, or releasing some flexion.

[MK7Golf21]

24 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

This has sort of gotten off topic but I’m not a huge fan of the blender drill. However, I am a big fan of not trying to pull the arms forward. So you see, I can like one and not the other as much. If anyone wanted to know why in detail, they can read the shallowing thread. It’s pretty much all covered there. 

 

It's not off topic, the main concepts are the same in both videos besides the "shaft is the most shallow at the top" stuff. That's my point. It's a downswing video and so was the shallowing one. You think they changed their downswing teaching all of a sudden?

Edited June 5 by MK7Golf21

[Duffer Mark]

I'm disappointed because this post is 11 hours old and is only has 1 page. 

[TrueBlue4Lyfe]

14 hours ago, iacas said:

I disagree. Taught this lesson earlier yesterday. I’ve taught a lot of lessons where I tell people from the top to get the hands down to their right thigh and turn through from there.

 

This video and the Chasing Scratch one pair nicely IMO.

I think I just disagree with the title.  The video tells you what not to do but I don’t think it’s helping anyone get more shaft lean.  
 

Most golfers already have their hands behind where it’s telling them to.  That’s not going to help them square the club without flipping

Edited June 6 by TrueBlue4Lyfe

[MPStrat]

11 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

It's not off topic, the main concepts are the same in both videos besides the "shaft is the most shallow at the top" stuff. That's my point. It's a downswing video and so was the shallowing one. You think they changed their downswing teaching all of a sudden?

Why would I think they changed their downswing teaching? It’s the same thing they’ve said all along. As I said, I prefer the way they teach the “forward” motion more than  the way they teach the down or what they call “shallowing” which is why I applauded that aspect of this recent video. People claimed I hate AMG in the shallowing video thread which couldn’t be further from the truth. I just don’t love some things in that video. 

[fjk]

11 hours ago, TrueBlue4Lyfe said:

Love AMG but this one misses the mark IMO.

 

Shaft lean is all about not having to flip to square the club which requires squaring the club with your body and/or arms.  They just gloss over this. 
 

The last thing most golfers need to work on is being on the trail side at impact.

Uh what lol.