PGA Tour loyalty compensation

[scottiewingnut]

Chesson Hadley (297 OWGR) wants to be paid even though he never received an offer from LIV. I'd like to add my name to this list as a PGA Tour loyalists to get paid.

I refused to watch or support LIV so now is the time to send me a bag of cash $$$$$!!!!!

 

Seriously though, how far down the player list will actually see any compensation?

 

[Zitlow]

 Chez Reavie, "show me the money". 

[jimecherry]

38 minutes ago, scottiewingnut said:

Chesson Hadley (297 OWGR) wants to be paid even though he never received an offer from LIV. I'd like to add my name to this list as a PGA Tour loyalists to get paid.

I refused to watch or support LIV so now is the time to send me a bag of cash $$$$$!!!!!

 

Seriously though, how far down the player list will actually see any compensation?

 

my guess would be everyone with a card will see compensation. with the low guys getting an amount that covers some of their expenses and the top guys receiving several wins worth.

[pingbling23]

Wasn’t their compensation bigger purses, better incentives, and automatic 500k a year?

[Llortamaisey]

Everyone with a card should at least get a pizza party with soda. Maybe invite the PGA keyboard warriors too. 

Edited June 9 by Llortamaisey

[Pepperturbo]

The American, I am, I believe those PGA players that ignored or rejected LIV big money offers to jump to LIV, did so based on underlying character values, morals and loyalty...which don't change out of convenience.  Sad little boy Hadley is troubled because he wasn't bought, but now wants to be bought. 

 

What, if anything, the PGA Tour does with respect to whiners like Hadley, only time will tell.  Let's hope they ignore the little boys.

[khalespace]

53 minutes ago, scottiewingnut said:

Chesson Hadley (297 OWGR) wants to be paid even though he never received an offer from LIV. I'd like to add my name to this list as a PGA Tour loyalists to get paid.

I refused to watch or support LIV so now is the time to send me a bag of cash $$$$$!!!!!

 

Seriously though, how far down the player list will actually see any compensation?

 

As a fan, I am not coming back until I get a box of Pro-V1.

[j.b.newton]

Im guessing they get some sweet Cleek and Range Goat gear, kind of like the kids in those villages that think the early 90's Buffalo Bills are the greatest NFL teams in history!

[DoughBack18]

But I thought that all these guys stayed because the only thing that mattered to them was legacy and history. You mean to tell me that these professional athletes care about making money???? Color me shocked.

[Pepperturbo]

LOL.  Wouldn't it be a fun turn of events, if the PGA Tour says to LIV big money recipients, you must return those big signing bonuses.

[PhilsFanDrew]

19 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

The American, I am, I believe those PGA players that ignored or rejected LIV big money offers to jump to LIV, did so based on underlying character values, morals and loyalty...which don't change out of convenience.  Sad little boy Hadley is troubled because he wasn't bought, but now wants to be bought. 

 

What, if anything, the PGA Tour does with respect to whiners like Hadley, only time will tell.  Let's hope they ignore the little boys.

 

I think it has less to do with character and morals.  Rory, Tiger, and others had no problem taking Middle East money before in appearance fees.  Rory was even sponsored by an Emirates resort company.  They didn't make the jump because they thought remaining on the PGA Tour and keeping their sponsors happy was the safer bet and would pay off in the long run.

[redfirebird08]

1 minute ago, PhilsFanDrew said:

 

I think it has less to do with character and morals.  Rory, Tiger, and others had no problem taking Middle East money before in appearance fees.  Rory was even sponsored by an Emirates resort company.  They didn't make the jump because they thought remaining on the PGA Tour and keeping their sponsors happy was the safer bet and would pay off in the long run.

 

Tiger also has physical problems, which put him in a more vulnerable spot than the healthier guys. Would you want someone demanding that you play 14 events per year when you can barely walk 18 holes without major problems? He needed control of his schedule, way moreso than the other players. 

[mizunoMX25]

Rory wore that Jumeirah hat for all of his younger years. People on LIV took the bag, people who didn't either didn't because of peer pressure or wanted to signal their virtue. I'm just glad we'll get to see now if PGA takes any of the cues that made LIV events so much more fun for the patrons.

[Pepperturbo]

37 minutes ago, PhilsFanDrew said:

 

I think it has less to do with character and morals.  Rory, Tiger, and others had no problem taking Middle East money before in appearance fees.  Rory was even sponsored by an Emirates resort company.  They didn't make the jump because they thought remaining on the PGA Tour and keeping their sponsors happy was the safer bet and would pay off in the long run.

You may be right regarding sponsors, but I am not convinced. 

 

There is NO forgive and forget by men like me, when it comes to people connected to terrorism, or enemies, I assure you.  Tiger's dad was an officer in Green Beret, guys I used to train with.  Can't tell me he and his colleagues didn't influence Tiger in the matter.  It's NOT something Tiger talks about, nor does anyone who knows my thoughts on certain people and places in the world.  Tiger also influenced Rory on a number of subjects who knows how that may have influenced Rory.  Remember, UK has been a highly ranked American Ally, including Ireland.

 

Appearance fees to show up exists at many events for premiere players; it doesn't come with the same litany of long-term contractual & loyalty obligations as the LIV multi-million dollar signing bonus' had.  One doesn't equal the other, nor does taking a sponsor check for a logo, from a Saudi based comm'l entity.  It's NOT a Muslim issue either.  There are many good comm'l entities in Bahrain, Egypt, as well as UAE Dubai, yet some of them may have connections to terrorists.  Thing is, some connections

Edited June 9 by Pepperturbo

[BlackDiamondPar5]

38 minutes ago, mizunoMX25 said:

Rory wore that Jumeirah hat for all of his younger years. People on LIV took the bag, people who didn't either didn't because of peer pressure or wanted to signal their virtue. I'm just glad we'll get to see now if PGA takes any of the cues that made LIV events so much more fun for the patrons.

Jumeirah isn't Saudi Arabian, it's Dubai which is UAE. 

Edited June 9 by BlackDiamondPar5

[jdl]

1 hour ago, jimecherry said:

my guess would be everyone with a card will see compensation. with the low guys getting an amount that covers some of their expenses and the top guys receiving several wins worth.

I think the re-instated LIV guys will not be eligible for PIP money right away, they'll funnel that to the guys that stayed instead.

[redfirebird08]

Just now, jdl said:

I think the re-instated LIV guys will not be eligible for PIP money right away, they'll funnel that to the guys that stayed instead.

 

5 years would probably do the trick of leveling it out. But we'll see how it goes. Saudi guy said on CNBC (twice) that he wants LIV to continue and the two entities to be strategically aligned. I'm not betting against him getting whatever he wants in this deal. 

[bnperrone]

I guess Chesson figures he can just snap his fingers and make his wishes come true. Sorry, couldn't help it. 

 

Never met the guy and obviously my golf game is nothing compared to his, but he's from this area and I'm still waiting to meet somebody who has good things to say about him outside of golf skill.

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

2 hours ago, scottiewingnut said:

Chesson Hadley (297 OWGR) wants to be paid even though he never received an offer from LIV. I'd like to add my name to this list as a PGA Tour loyalists to get paid.

I refused to watch or support LIV so now is the time to send me a bag of cash $$$$$!!!!!

 

Seriously though, how far down the player list will actually see any compensation?

Pure guess, since the PIF claims they're not making any additional investment in the PGAT this year...which I don't believe in the slightest, but w/e.  Anyway, my guess is and has been, that the PIP and FedEx Cup prize pools will get a sizable infusion from the PIF---maybe even doubling/tripling the cash?

 

Since current LIV players, per the press release from the DPWT head, are neither eligible for reinstatement in the 2023 Season, nor the Ryder Cup, and guessing further that the PGAT will follow suit...that is a large hunk of $$ to give to loyalists who could have jumped for a bag but didn't.  Not as much as they'd have gotten for breaking ranks, but it'd have to do.  Along with grossly inflated purses for the PGAT/DPWT 2024 Season.

 

That's how I'd do it, were I running things.

 

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Jumeirah isn't Saudi Arabian, it's Dubai which is UAE. 

And Dubai is soooo much better from a human rights perspective than KSA...

 

Unless you're a TCN slave, but at least Westerners can get their drink, dance, and drive like an a*÷$&ole on in Dubai right?

[HomaComa]

If everything is one entity, I think the LIV guys should be ineligible for PIP money for 10 years. Only way for the PGA tour guys to get their share of the $$$. 

[BNGL]

Just a guess but I’d make the guys that did stay and were “loyal” equity stakeholders in the new for profit business and run it down by PIP. You won a tournament you get a certain percentage. Your tops in PIP you get this much. OR the players unionize and bargain for a share of profits much like the other sports. Now maybe you wouldn’t see an equal split but maybe hey we get 35 percent of profits right off the top plus still play for elevated purses. 

[bscinstnct]

 

 

🤣

 

Hey business is business. DJ took a risk, for all he knew, he’d lose all his sponsors, burned his bridge with the pga tour, and liv folds and he never makes another dime in golf beyond his liv money. 
 

 

You played your cards, you win, you lose, next hand.

 

 

[jamstar35]

The LIV players shouldn't be fined and the PGA players shouldn't be compensated.

Players on both sides made business decisions. On the PGA players side, they had an opportunity to make more money. Purses went up. Designated events were created giving them access to more money (play better!!!) I don't think there was a single event that was cancelled due to LIV, was there? On the LIV players side, fining them and letting them back is too easy. They should be excluded from any sponsors exemptions on any tour for a minimum of 2 years (# of LIV seasons played,) and if they truly want back in, you have to earn it. How? Congrats, you are now Korn Ferry Tour players. Get your card back via the KF Tour or by qualifying for and winning a major. After all.....golf IS a meritocracy, right??? This could also "grow the game" by increasing attendance and eyes at KF Tour events.

[Shilgy]

4 minutes ago, jamstar35 said:

The LIV players shouldn't be fined and the PGA players shouldn't be compensated.

Players on both sides made business decisions. On the PGA players side, they had an opportunity to make more money. Purses went up. Designated events were created giving them access to more money (play better!!!) I don't think there was a single event that was cancelled due to LIV, was there? On the LIV players side, fining them and letting them back is too easy. They should be excluded from any sponsors exemptions on any tour for a minimum of 2 years (# of LIV seasons played,) and if they truly want back in, you have to earn it. How? Congrats, you are now Korn Ferry Tour players. Get your card back via the KF Tour or by qualifying for and winning a major. After all.....golf IS a meritocracy, right??? This could also "grow the game" by increasing attendance and eyes at KF Tour events.

Some of that I agree with.  No reason to fine them it the LIV guys should need to start qualifying all over.  AND…if there is a LIV still this year and next they should have to play out their contracts and be ineligible for PGA tour events. 
 The top guys that were offered big bucks but stayed should be compensated in some form.  Whether it’s called PIP cash or whatever they should be paid.  Without them LIV may have won and this new infusion of cash may not have happened.

 

Phil? Should not be allowed back at any time.  By his own words he helped create the LIV tour….let his stay there and rot forever.🤬

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

2 minutes ago, jamstar35 said:

...On the LIV players side, fining them and letting them back is too easy. They should be excluded from any sponsors exemptions on any tour for a minimum of 2 years (# of LIV seasons played,) and if they truly want back in, you have to earn it. How? Congrats, you are now Korn Ferry Tour players. Get your card back via the KF Tour or by qualifying for and winning a major. After all.....golf IS a meritocracy, right???....

I really feel for my commercial litigation brethren right now, reading a lot of these no doubt very sincere comments, from likely successful people in their careers. (Given the nature of golf as a hobby.)

 

How about we not advocate the Tours do anything else that might give rise to any further charges of acting in concert to interfere with competition?  It's a free country, and certainly none of the decision-makers are cruising these threads seeking our advice, but can we do that? 

 

If there were existing discipline/fines measures pre LIV that might be appropriate, sure.  Use them.  I guess.

 

Or, the Tours can now realize they have access to a truly gigantic sum of money to reward their membership (and executives) with, bury the #&$*#* hatchet already, and stop making things worse.  Which trying to get some petty vengeance upon the people whose defection made this windfall possible, probably will.

[jamstar35]

4 minutes ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

I really feel for my commercial litigation brethren right now, reading a lot of these no doubt very sincere comments, from likely successful people in their careers. (Given the nature of golf as a hobby.)

 

How about we not advocate the Tours do anything else that might give rise to any further charges of acting in concert to interfere with competition?  It's a free country, and certainly none of the decision-makers are cruising these threads seeking our advice, but can we do that? 

 

If there were existing discipline/fines measures pre LIV that might be appropriate, sure.  Use them.  I guess.

 

Or, the Tours can now realize they have access to a truly gigantic sum of money to reward their membership (and executives) with, bury the #&$*#* hatchet already, and stop making things worse.  Which trying to get some petty vengeance upon the people whose defection made this windfall possible, probably will.

But by them playing on the LIV tour in 2023, they will have accrued 0 FedEX Cup points, therefore giving them no status for the next season. I dont see how that is interfering with competition. I am definitely open to other peoples opinions on this, because I think this is a "punishment" that could make the PGA tour players somewhat happy, while "growing the game." 🤣

[Mr. Grumpy]

1 hour ago, Pepperturbo said:

You may be right regarding sponsors, but I am not convinced. 

 

There is NO forgive and forget by men like me, when it comes to people connected to terrorism, or enemies, I assure you.  Tiger's dad was an officer in Green Beret, guys I used to train with.  Can't tell me he and his colleagues didn't influence Tiger in the matter.  It's NOT something Tiger talks about, nor does anyone who knows my thoughts on certain people and places in the world.  Tiger also influenced Rory on a number of subjects who knows how that may have influenced Rory.  Remember, UK has been a highly ranked American Ally, including Ireland.

 

Appearance fees to show up exists at many events for premiere players; it doesn't come with the same litany of long-term contractual & loyalty obligations as the LIV multi-million dollar signing bonus' had.  One doesn't equal the other, nor does taking a sponsor check for a logo, from a Saudi based comm'l entity.  It's NOT a Muslim issue either.  There are many good comm'l entities in Bahrain, Egypt, as well as UAE Dubai, yet some of them may have connections to terrorists.  Thing is, some connections

Where does the buck stop? Now that the PGAT and LIV are making a bed, what about WRX and their ties to the tour? 

 

There is a position where it becomes comfortable to do "business." I get the directly tied to, but it's far more complicated than that.

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

13 minutes ago, jamstar35 said:

But by them playing on the LIV tour in 2023, they will have accrued 0 FedEX Cup points, therefore giving them no status for the next season. I dont see how that is interfering with competition. I am definitely open to other peoples opinions on this, because I think this is a "punishment" that could make the PGA tour players somewhat happy, while "growing the game." 🤣

For e.g. James Piot, agreed.  He didn't have any PGA Tour status to be denied.

 

For someone like Koepka, OTOH, he has a gazillion exemptions he could use to play wherever he wanted.  Taking those away from those players, I'd think, would be a bad idea.

[chollier986]

When the Saudi’s bought the company I work for, I didn’t receive any additional compensation… I’d settle for a tour card 😎