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[NOTE: This is here - and not in the Instruction & Academy forum - as I'm not asking about technical swing details, but rather how golfers approach the issue of swing changes over the course of time.]

 

So, I believe most decent golfers (for this purpose, say those that can regularly shoot 80s - 70s or better) have "a swing". Everything from the grip/stance/setup, to pace and rhythm, steeper or flatter ("digger vs. picker") plane, follow through, etc., etc. Quite often even a pre-shot routine that is almost robotically identical every swing. In fact, possibly one of the most fundamental components of shooting good scores week after week - a primary differentiator between casual weekenders and good golfers - is having a consistent swing.

 

Getting a solid swing locked down is foundational to solid golf. However, there's also no such thing as a "permanent" swing that you can achieve, and then never change. (If for no other reason than the fact that the body itself changes over time. If I tried to swing  - in my 60s - the way I swung in my 20s I'd be at a freaking chiropractor for the next week.) 

 

Most golfers certainly are making minor little tweaks on an almost continual basis ... in the relentless (if never fully attainable) pursuit of perfection. But these are usually focused on some single element of the  basic swing. I'm going to pause for a fraction of a second more during transition, or flatten the wrist a bit, or get more precise about shaft/arm angle at P3, etc., etc. But these are micro-adjustments to the underlying foundation - slightly trimming the sails on the boat as it were.

 

Periodically, almost anyone with a consistent swing, however, finds themself needing (or desiring) a deeper foundational overhaul. In fact, when the best pros do this it often makes the golf news (e.g., Tiger's swing changes when he went from Harmon to Haney, and then to Foley, were widely discussed and hotly disputed). A fundamental swing comes about through just a lot of practice, a lot of reps. Changing it is hard - it will often hose a guy's scores for a half a season. And that's the pros, who can put serious hours into embedding a new swing into muscle memory. 

 

So there are a lot of decent amateurs (and even a couple pros) on WRX. I'm wondering what your thoughts on swing changes are. Do you tend to stick with something for years at a time and just make a major change every so often? Or are you continually making smaller changes ... just a perpetual gradual evolution? And for those that do (or have done) major changes, why did you do so? How did you do so? How long did it take? And was it successful? (I know, weird question, but I have a couple friends that worked with new teachers, tried for months, and ultimately returned to mostly what they had been doing.)

 

This is on my mind as I'm doing one this winter. Already started - doing several dozen swings a day each w/ a PW, 7i, and 4i to start. (No ball, just swings in my living room - starting the process of making the unnatural feel natural - something that only reps can do.) 

 

I get that this is definitely a GolfWRX "winter season" thread. But, after all, this is WRX, and it is, in fact, winter ... 😅

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A long post, and a good one, but I'm not going to match it in length. 😄 

 

I'm not a fan of making "foundational" changes. Find your priority thing, work on that, and repeat the process again. When you play, just play: find the swing thought that works or helps, and get the ball in the hole. Practice on the range (or whatever), play on the course.

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As a stroke survivor, I was fortunate to have a full month of rehab learning to walk again.  Then another two months of outpatient.  Then I was on my own.

I have continued working on my balance and coordination for 25 years.  First by building model rockets and chasing them across farm fields.  I just got up on a ladder and cleaned the gutters of my home.

I've learned how to track my improvements.

 

I intentionally decided to learn my golf swing in a series of steps.  

First with rotational swing in my back yard.

Then I learned how to swing a golf club on a hilly executive course.

I found I could add in some weight shift and gain 20% more distance. I also found that my cross dominance allowed me to work the ball.

I had some clubs adjusted and the guy who helped me out pointed that I was hitting the ground first.  So I spent this season working on ball first contact with no weight shift.

As the season was ending I had great ball contact and found I could now swing harder without screwing up my tempo for more distance.

I still have weight shift to add back into my swing.  Maybe next year?  I have a very usable swing with good control--I can hit the center of the fairway with my 4 iron with reasonable consistency.

My misses are almost always a push to the right when I don't rotate properly.  I can swing hard and pull the ball to the left with a little more distance.

 

I have very good consistency.  I'm always hitting the same trees on the course I play. 🤣

 

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I'm 62. I've made one major foundational change in my swing when I came up against the limitations of how I was hitting the ball. I was stuck at about a 8 hcp, and didn't see a path to improvement with the swing I had. That foundational change basically took me two years to complete. It takes time to change the "feel" of your swing. I also became much more interested in swing mechanics, and using data to verify the changes. Some of my playing partners said I became a swing nerd for a while.... Overall it was a success for me, but a year or two of frustration during the change. 

 

While I do tweak or fine tune with minor adjustments, no major changes. 

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My response is NOT at the OP but the generic topic.  I don't like swing changes for non-disciplined amateurs. It doesn't work because something always comes up, leaving their mechanics in worse condition.  One man's opinion after watching many people in two clubs mention swing changes but never seeing results.  

 

Some Pros make fundamental changes to their swings with the express purpose of improving their future prospects, that I totally understand and support.  But the average amateur doesn't have that level of commitment, nor does he have the time or ability to stay focused to realize greater improvement, like pros.  

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Read somewhere a long time ago that you’ve got the swing you started with.  
Yes you can make changes to improve, lots of tips, but the swing is essentially the same.   
I started the game (48 years ago) with a huge slice, 180 yds.  figured out how to make that work, got to an 8 with a good short game.   Sorted that with an effort to not come over the top, and a very strong grip.  Got to 5, then 3 and a few weeks at 1. Mostly a 2-3 for about a decade.  With an imperfect swing, I swayed.  Life, job, age, arthritis et al took over and went up to 13.  Physical degeneration came along and took over.  
Enough of that, physio, injections, and more then a quality swing coach with a MAJOR overhaul of my swing.   
Now I have a new swing , 11 months into it I’m seeing it.  Shot 70 once, I’m down to a 7 index.  
The journey isn’t nearly over, and won’t ever be.  I can only say there’s light at the end of the tunnel.   

So if you’re going to change your swing, be prepared to persevere.  

 

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1 hour ago, ShortGolfer said:

As a stroke survivor, I was fortunate to have a full month of rehab learning to walk again.  Then another two months of outpatient.  Then I was on my own.

Actually this is a good point, and hadn't occurred to me. When I think about it, I can think of four people (other than myself) that I've talked to this past year that were doing fundamentally different things. Only one was doing it for my reasons (i.e., I'm now a 66 year old, and want to maintain decent scores in the coming decade). One was doing it because he was decent, but had just bought his first new clubs in over a decade, and (probably correctly) concluded that re-thinking his game and his swing would likely help him get much more out of them. 

 

But the other two were doing it 100% due to physical issues. One was just completing recovery from a badly torn ACL and had been cleared by his doctor start playing again (was almost a year), and the other has a brand new titanium hip. I've never experienced either of those (or anything like them), but a lot of my older friends have. And they almost all say "I can't really explain it, but my body just feels different". 

 

I almost can't imagine relearning a golf swing if you actually had to relearn how to walk. 

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I had ataxia on my entire dominant side, from head to toe. And no sense of balance.  It wasn't just walking, speech therapy, and occupational therapy.

I also had to fix double vision.  I learned to write again and still practice handwriting.  And undoubtedly something else that I can't remember at the moment.  Oh, the tinnitus in my right ear.  Fortunately gone now.

Initiallly I had no sense of feel on my entire right side, which is why I've not been doing weight shift right now.  

After a long winter layoff I wasn't feeling much in the bottom of my right foot  But it is coming back.... 

 

The swing I had as a kid was awful.  Too much stress on my back.  Way off balance.  Totally unusable.  But, it may explain why I can elevate a 22* 4 iron with accuracy today.

The swing I have now works on wet grass in the morning.

 

 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, ShortGolfer said:

I had ataxia on my entire dominant side, from head to toe. And no sense of balance.  It wasn't just walking, speech therapy, and occupational therapy.

I also had to fix double vision.  I learned to write again and still practice handwriting.  And undoubtedly something else that I can't remember at the moment.  Oh, the tinnitus in my right ear.  Fortunately gone now.

Initiallly I had no sense of feel on my entire right side, which is why I've not been doing weight shift right now.  

After a long winter layoff I wasn't feeling much in the bottom of my right foot  But it is coming back.... 

 

The swing I had as a kid was awful.  Too much stress on my back.  Way off balance.  Totally unusable.  But, it may explain why I can elevate a 22* 4 iron with accuracy today.

The swing I have now works on wet grass in the morning.

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, ShortGolfer said:

I had ataxia on my entire dominant side, from head to toe. And no sense of balance.  It wasn't just walking, speech therapy, and occupational therapy.

I also had to fix double vision.  I learned to write again and still practice handwriting.  And undoubtedly something else that I can't remember at the moment.  Oh, the tinnitus in my right ear.  Fortunately gone now.

Initiallly I had no sense of feel on my entire right side, which is why I've not been doing weight shift right now.  

After a long winter layoff I wasn't feeling much in the bottom of my right foot  But it is coming back.... 

 

The swing I had as a kid was awful.  Too much stress on my back.  Way off balance.  Totally unusable.  But, it may explain why I can elevate a 22* 4 iron with accuracy today.

The swing I have now works on wet grass in the morning.

 

 

 

 

Holy crapsticks Batman! Fate handed you quite the row to hoe. Mad respect here.

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I started golfing at 8 and am 43 now.  I've overhauled my swing twice and have made small adjustments here and there.  My swing is still flat, I still swing in to out and I don't think that's ever gonna change.  My major swing changes have taken me from extremely in to out to now being 2-4* in to out which makes my good shots good and my misses much more manageable.  I've been struggling this year in terms of health because I've had an unusually high amount of injuries which has had me making compensations in my swing.  However, those injuries have healed up now for the most part so I can continue working on the things I need to in order to shoot lower scores.  Right now I'm working on getting a little shallower with my irons and tightening up my pitching and chipping. 

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Honestly, 99% of golfers who are trying to make positive changes to their swing would be better off not playing on the course at all. For a while anyway.
 

Just work, work, work, at the range until it’s truly second-nature. The Hogan way, if you will.

 

I’m sure Tiger wishes he could’ve taken the entire year of 1998 off the PGA Tour and even the majors to work on his swing changes and his run in 1999-2002 would’ve been even better. He did say in his How I Play Golf book from 2001 that he definitely preferred the range over the course.

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The joint at the base of my left thumb has worn out and had started to collapse and hyper-extend when I swung a club.

Made significant grip changes early this summer to avoid this and preserve what's left of the joint.

Scores went up 4/5 strokes per round for several months, but in October/November I have been scoring better than before the change- and the thumb has not collapsed for several months.

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In about 2016 I changed to a fade. Had been a drawer all my life. I did that change on my own...grinding out the right setup and swing variables to produce consistent fades. And had a good bit of success. Played to about scratch.

 

In winter 2020-2021 I worked with an instructor with 1 goal...limit the damage my OTT move causes. We worked on setup, backswing, transition, and downswing and got me to a place where I hit it better and more consistently. I reached +1.5.

 

But as 2022 kicked in, things started to be less consistent. I was gradually getting a bit too close to extremes with certain positions and my steepness was an issue again.

 

So as 2022 closed, I decided it was time for a major overhaul. I needed to eliminate a lateral slide and reduce how steep I get in transition. I bought a launch monitor and setup a net and mat at home...more reps. Went to work in November of last year. 2023 was all about ingraining changes. The competitive season was terrible. I think I broke par once or twice. But there were glimpses...a 66 in late June. Ballstriking rounds that could easily have been 67/68. Then shot 65 in early September. Went 70-72 in 20mph winds to win a tournament 2 weeks ago. 

 

My changes are mostly done but the steepness isn't where I want it to be yet. I just have to keep repping. Big swing changes are HARD. They take a ton of time. I don't recommend them often. I don't recommend you do them on your own.

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17 hours ago, bobfoster said:

 

This is on my mind as I'm doing one this winter. Already started - doing several dozen swings a day each w/ a PW, 7i, and 4i to start. (No ball, just swings in my living room - starting the process of making the unnatural feel natural - something that only reps can do.) 

 

That is exactly what I did one winter, and it converted me from being a flipper to not being one. 

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43 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

My response is NOT at the OP but the generic topic.  I don't like swing changes for non-disciplined amateurs. It doesn't work because something always comes up, leaving their mechanics in worse condition.  One man's opinion after watching many people in two clubs mention swing changes but never seeing results.  

 

Some Pros make fundamental changes to their swings with the express purpose of improving their future prospects, that I totally understand and support.  But the average amateur doesn't have that level of commitment, nor does he have the time or ability to stay focused to realize greater improvement, like pros.  

Totally get what you are saying. But I did try to say this only really applied to folks that shot at least consistent 80s or 70s. Which is actually not that many. Basic stats are that 45% of golfers will never even break 100. Only around 25% can consistently break 90. And about 2% can break 80 with any consistency. So some discipline already has to be there. 

 

And IMO, it does take discipline, but not necessarily that much time and effort. General rule of thumb (according to physiologists) is that it takes around 10,000 reps to embed something new into muscle memory. But break that down. I'm doing a few dozen swings a day in my living room. Start with a few slo-mo to get the path, then a few checking the P positions, then a bunch of "brush the carpet" swings on plane. Not even a full set-up with each swing, just backswing to follow-through.  Once every couple weeks I'll go to a local indoor range and hit a few buckets. All in all about, say, 100 swings a day, taking all of a half hour (or less). But add that up. 100 a day is 3,000 a month. Will be at the 10,000 mark when my local courses in the northeast start thawing out.

 

So I'll have a new swing for the 2024 season by spending approximately the same amount of time and effort I put into a single graduate econ course in college. In fact, spend around the same amount of time per day just answering morning emails (and incidentally, having a good swing is potentially the source of a lot more pleasure than most of the emails 😂).

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I haven't made a swing change since 2007-2008 when I started with my current swing coach.  My first session with him was in the Spring of 2007 and I felt like I had gotten comfortable with the swing by the end of 2008.  My ball striking was consistent enough to play tournament golf with some confidence. Not saying I was completely done with learning and improving, but felt I could compete against good fields

 

I still see my coach 2-3 times a year to fix the nonsense that inevitably creeps in and I'm still trying to get better. 

 

I've said many times before that I am one of the lucky ones that found a coach/mentor that I trust with everything i have and that made me a better player, and a better person.   It's truly rare it seems

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LOL I have been changing my swing for 57 years.  Never played more then a few rounds where I was not trying something new and any time that I did go with the same swing for a few rounds I got worse and worse until I would give up and try something else.  I used to change grips and swings mid round all the time but I don't do that much anymore.  Some changes are more mental and not visible but quite a few of them are visible to a someone who has a trained eye such as a teaching pro as I have made some of the changes while a pro was watching and they could identify what I was doing differently. 

 

I have always played better when I try something 'new' though usually recycled.  Peaking Mount Stupid over and over I guess.  Over the last couple of years I feel like I have slowly narrowed my method down and well, hope springs eternal! 

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25 minutes ago, Foxx said:

If you learnt to throw a ball or chop wood well you already know how to swing a club properly. 

I reduced a maple tree stump to little wood chips by swinging an ax!  Took months of work!

Undoubtedly a factor in how I swing a golf club. 

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I play my best golf when I can hit a push draw with my driver and slight draw with my irons

 

I have played a cut with my driver most of my life (right hand dominant but play lefty, its kinda hard not to)

 

My coach (weird to say considering I teach as well), has me work on getting the club little inside in the takeaway and work on hitting draw pitches for 40 to 80 yard shots ... there are other drills as well, but I don't want to rant

 

Sean Foley has recently said (paraphrasing) your tendencies and swing flaws will remain the same for the rest of your golfing life past the age of 25 to 30 unless there significant changes to your body ... it is incredibility difficult to make significant changes to your swing pattern, even the best players in the world who hit balls everyday, can't pull it off. Your swing is basically that, a pattern. You will have stretches where you match up your pattern well and stretches where your pattern looks like stripes and poka dotes. Understanding your pattern and having little things to work on at all times to help match up your pattern will help turn awful days into avg ones"

 

Basically, I don't need to take another lesson in my life ever again ... I understand my tendencies and swing flaws ... I know what to work on to keep a good pattern going

 

Though I still have stretches where I struggle to break 80 (with DECADE and decent short game, its tough me to not shoot under 80 now)  and then find it for 2 months

 

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7 hours ago, Nels55 said:

I threw balls from birth and I split a lot of wood, in my case one has nothing to do with the other.

 

But do you allow that natural motion or have you tampered with it to the point it's a conscious deliberate mechanical swing?

 

I've been there. I had a fluent swing I didn't think about. Then through hitting bad shots I figured I needed to change something, then something else. Then before I knew it I was playing golf thinking about my swing and stopped thinking about the actual shot or target line/flight.

 

Bad shots are a trap. We see them and think something needs changing. Even throwing a ball or chopping wood results in bad throws or strikes sometimes. Nothing's perfect.

 

I say that if someone's golf swing is rarely producing good shots, they have either got into the habit of a mechanical concious swing or they never learned to throw a ball or chop wood properly.

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I'm not very strong and the stump of a maple tree is very  hard and dense wood.  I needed to accurately swing that ax to break off little chips.  If I missed it was basically a wasted swing.

Very much like playing golf!

 

I didn't learn how to catch a ball until I was taught in stroke rehab!  The therapist noted that I had very fast reflexes.  Almost too fast for the exercise we were doing.

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1 hour ago, ShortGolfer said:

I'm not very strong and the stump of a maple tree is very  hard and dense wood.  I needed to accurately swing that ax to break off little chips.  If I missed it was basically a wasted swing.

Very much like playing golf!

 

I didn't learn how to catch a ball until I was taught in stroke rehab!  The therapist noted that I had very fast reflexes.  Almost too fast for the exercise we were doing.

 

Yes, to break the tree up you needed timing. Hips, arms, hands all working together in a fluent sequence.  There's the golf swing.

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1 hour ago, Foxx said:

 

But do you allow that natural motion or have you tampered with it to the point it's a conscious deliberate mechanical swing?

 

I've been there. I had a fluent swing I didn't think about. Then through hitting bad shots I figured I needed to change something, then something else. Then before I knew it I was playing golf thinking about my swing and stopped thinking about the actual shot or target line/flight.

 

Bad shots are a trap. We see them and think something needs changing. Even throwing a ball or chopping wood results in bad throws or strikes sometimes. Nothing's perfect.

 

I say that if someone's golf swing is rarely producing good shots, they have either got into the habit of a mechanical concious swing or they never learned to throw a ball or chop wood properly.

I started golfing when I was 11 years old.  My natural swing was terrible.  Throwing a ball has no relation to swinging a golf club for me.  That said I do not discount your experience, you are simply different then I am.  Lucky for you!

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      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
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    • 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Tuesday #1
       
       
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Justin Thomas - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Nick Hardy - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Seamus Power - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Adam Hadwin - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Kurt Kitayama - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Byeong Hun An - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Nicolai Hojgaard - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Sam Burns - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Brandon Wu - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      JT Poston - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Nick Dunlap - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Alex Smalley - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Pau Gasol WITB (2x NBA Champion, 6x All-Star) – 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Josh Allen WITB (NFL Quarterback, Buffalo Bills) – 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Matt Kuchar - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      JJ Spaun - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Jordan Spieth - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Adam Svensson - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Adam Scott (mini) - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Taylor Moore - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Ping putters - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      TaylorMade putters - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Pebble Beach Golf Links (holes 7 & 8) – 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Odyssey putters - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Lucas Glover going to test black Srixon ZX5 & ZX7 irons - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Justin Thomas wrist training aid - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Stephen Sweeney's Putting Ballistic putting training aid - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Chris Kirk club changes - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
      The course was closed all day today (Monday) because of rain so no WITBs today
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #1
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #3
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #4
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #5
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Gary Woodland - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Chris Gotterup - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ludvig Aberg - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Max Homa - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Chan Kim - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Michael Block - SoCal PGA Section champ - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Hideki Matsuyama - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Collin Morikawa - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ryan Fox - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Robert MacIntyre - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ben Griffin - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Matthieu Pavon - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Alejandro Tosti - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Jason Day WITB – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Daniel Berger WITB – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New 2Thumb grip - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Chesson Hadley's new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ben Kohles' new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Vincent Whaley's new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ryo Hisatsune's new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Charley Hoffman - custom Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      TaylorMade Tour X - X3 putter with milled metal insert - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Maverick McNealy's custom Odyssey staff bag - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ben Baller's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      New LA Golf single bend graphite putter shaft - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Swag Golf's - Channel 4 Headcovers - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      L.A. Golf 120-gram prototype putter shaft – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      L.A. Golf "gold edition" driver shaft – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      L.A. Golf prototype putters with new "exotic metal" face insert – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 The American Express - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 The American Express - Monday #1
      2024 The American Express - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Carl Yuan - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Hayden Buckley - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Parker Coody - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Pierceson Coody - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Will Zalatoris - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Andrew Novak - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Joe Highsmith - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Jason Dufner - WITB - 2024 The American Express
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 The American Express
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      ProTec irons - 2024 The American Express
      New Cameron putters - 2024 The American Express
      New Ping PLD putters - 2024 The American Express
      Rickie Fowler's 3D printed 60* wedge - 2024 The American Express
      Jason Dufner with new putter device - 2024 The American Express
      New Bettinardi putters - 2024 The American Express
      Custom Cameron Putters - 2024 The American Express
       
       
       
       
       
       
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