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I'd like to start a conversation about the occasional sound discrepancy when a player makes contact on TV. For example, I remember seeing a clip of Zach Johnson hitting a 3/4 pitch shot from 40 yards or so and it sounded like someone flushing a driver off the tee. I remember a handful of other instances but I'm kicking myself for not recording them. 

 

I'm hoping to compile a list of these so if anyone has any details about when they noticed something odd, please share. General comments/opinions would also be great! 

 

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Thanks for sharing that, very bizarre! I looked through my phone and found this one with Sepp Straka. Something else that's odd, how many times have we heard a commentator say "that sounded a little thin"? But when a sand wedge sounds like driver off-the-deck they don't say anything... curious.

 

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Part of it is the surrounding environment whether there are trees, bushes, people, board signs, buildings, humps and bumps, ;

and part of it is the type of grass and conditions of, moisture etc;

and part of it is the equipment with the irons with different steels and balls being different softness;

and part of it is the sound recording equipment, the microphones are not all the same, the wind baffles are not all the same, the distance that the mike guys standing aren't the same, whether they are behind the player of in front, large mike, small mike, and the dude in the booth messing with the levels, and on the tees, they have mikes on the ground, just sort of generally pointed near the tee box line, not specific to anything; 

 

They're not "adding" anything extra, though they can always manipulate the levels and the sound "mix" in the equaliser so that will make some of them sound whack lmao

 

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2 hours ago, HeadCovered said:

Part of it is the surrounding environment whether there are trees, bushes, people, board signs, buildings, humps and bumps, ;

and part of it is the type of grass and conditions of, moisture etc;

and part of it is the equipment with the irons with different steels and balls being different softness;

and part of it is the sound recording equipment, the microphones are not all the same, the wind baffles are not all the same, the distance that the mike guys standing aren't the same, whether they are behind the player of in front, large mike, small mike, and the dude in the booth messing with the levels, and on the tees, they have mikes on the ground, just sort of generally pointed near the tee box line, not specific to anything; 

 

They're not "adding" anything extra, though they can always manipulate the levels and the sound "mix" in the equaliser so that will make some of them sound whack lmao

 

I don’t know if you watched the clip I posted. I’ve played golf for over 20 years, and I’ve watched golf on tv for longer than that. That sound was no a sound made hitting a golf ball with a golf club. 

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4 hours ago, HeadCovered said:

Part of it is the surrounding environment whether there are trees, bushes, people, board signs, buildings, humps and bumps, ;

and part of it is the type of grass and conditions of, moisture etc;

and part of it is the equipment with the irons with different steels and balls being different softness;

and part of it is the sound recording equipment, the microphones are not all the same, the wind baffles are not all the same, the distance that the mike guys standing aren't the same, whether they are behind the player of in front, large mike, small mike, and the dude in the booth messing with the levels, and on the tees, they have mikes on the ground, just sort of generally pointed near the tee box line, not specific to anything; 

 

They're not "adding" anything extra, though they can always manipulate the levels and the sound "mix" in the equaliser so that will make some of them sound whack lmao

 

 

1 hour ago, bigred90gt said:

I don’t know if you watched the clip I posted. I’ve played golf for over 20 years, and I’ve watched golf on tv for longer than that. That sound was no a sound made hitting a golf ball with a golf club. 

 

On 12/5/2023 at 7:23 AM, JustBecause said:

I'd like to start a conversation about the occasional sound discrepancy when a player makes contact on TV. For example, I remember seeing a clip of Zach Johnson hitting a 3/4 pitch shot from 40 yards or so and it sounded like someone flushing a driver off the tee. I remember a handful of other instances but I'm kicking myself for not recording them. 

 

I'm hoping to compile a list of these so if anyone has any details about when they noticed something odd, please share. General comments/opinions would also be great! 

 

Thanks!


Everything you said there is accurate @HeadCovered BUT they also for some reason will often dub in completely different club sounds when original audio isn't present. I made a thread pointing out a couple recent examples here and there are many many more. There is a very generic early 2000's golf video game style metal wood sound that will often get dropped into shots filmed from a distance, regardless of the club being hit. Iron out of the rough? Ting! Wedge from the middle of the fairway? Ting!

It's bizarre because I don't understand *why*. Either it is being added to highlight videos after the fact in a lazy attempt to ADR it in, or there is enough of a broadcast delay to where audio is actually being triggered live, which would be even stranger. Regardless, it's definitely a thing. 

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Everything you said there is accurate @HeadCovered BUT they also for some reason will often dub in completely different club sounds when original audio isn't present. I made a thread pointing out a couple recent examples here and there are many many more. There is a very generic early 2000's golf video game style metal wood sound that will often get dropped into shots filmed from a distance, regardless of the club being hit. Iron out of the rough? Ting! Wedge from the middle of the fairway? Ting!

It's bizarre because I don't understand *why*. Either it is being added to highlight videos after the fact in a lazy attempt to ADR it in, or there is enough of a broadcast delay to where audio is actually being triggered live, which would be even stranger. Regardless, it's definitely a thing. 

 

2 hours ago, bigred90gt said:

I don’t know if you watched the clip I posted. I’ve played golf for over 20 years, and I’ve watched golf on tv for longer than that. That sound was no a sound made hitting a golf ball with a golf club. 

 
Yeah you’re probably right somebody has the shot gun sound ready on the button LMAO 

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45 minutes ago, HeadCovered said:

 

 
Yeah you’re probably right somebody has the shot gun sound ready on the button LMAO 


Every time this topic gets brought up there is *always* someone that makes a glib remark despite the evidence that this clearly happens (sound replacement, not gunshots lol). The Oosthuizen clip mentioned above is actually interesting, I found it from another angle/broadcast here and there is clearly no close audio capture present, we only hear the tiny "click" from a mic that is clearly far away, probably on another tee. The "gunshot" sound in the clip @bigred90gt posted sounds exactly like what happens when you drop some sort of really big simulated reverb on to a smaller sound. 

I'll also add that i'm an audio engineer by trade. I work with audio constantly, I've built my own microphones, done live sound in several different forms, and am generally super picky and sensitive about audio in general. There is no argument that they aren't replacing sounds wholesale semi-regularly (see my links in the quote). The question is just when (live or in post) and why. Recently a broadcaster even commented on it on a DP World Tour event. I can't find it right now, but here is an example of yet another one when I was looking for it. No amount of anything microphone/proximity/environment or otherwise makes a short iron sound like someone is chipping with a fairway wood. 

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5 hours ago, HeadCovered said:

Part of it is the surrounding environment whether there are trees, bushes, people, board signs, buildings, humps and bumps, ;

and part of it is the type of grass and conditions of, moisture etc;

and part of it is the equipment with the irons with different steels and balls being different softness;

and part of it is the sound recording equipment, the microphones are not all the same, the wind baffles are not all the same, the distance that the mike guys standing aren't the same, whether they are behind the player of in front, large mike, small mike, and the dude in the booth messing with the levels, and on the tees, they have mikes on the ground, just sort of generally pointed near the tee box line, not specific to anything; 

 

They're not "adding" anything extra, though they can always manipulate the levels and the sound "mix" in the equaliser so that will make some of them sound whack lmao

 

@HeadCovered Thanks for your input on this. It sounds like you have some experience in the audio world which I admit is not my area of expertise. I have a handful of questions, but if you don't mind I'd like to pick your brain on the info you provided in your original post. 

 

It's not hard to imagine all of the variables that are at play, but even considering all of these I don't understand why oddities happen so sporadically. 

 

For example, let's say you watch all 4 days of 10 different tournaments. Of those 40 rounds let's say there are 300 wedge shots. Why is it that 299 of them sound like a "typical" ball strike that nobody would think twice about, and one sounds like the player is teeing off with driver? Shouldn't we expect a much broader spectrum of sounds on every shot? 

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29 minutes ago, Valtiel said:


Every time this topic gets brought up there is *always* someone that makes a glib remark despite the evidence that this clearly happens (sound replacement, not gunshots lol). The Oosthuizen clip mentioned above is actually interesting, I found it from another angle/broadcast here and there is clearly no close audio capture present, we only hear the tiny "click" from a mic that is clearly far away, probably on another tee. The "gunshot" sound in the clip @bigred90gt posted sounds exactly like what happens when you drop some sort of really big simulated reverb on to a smaller sound. 

I'll also add that i'm an audio engineer by trade. I work with audio constantly, I've built my own microphones, done live sound in several different forms, and am generally super picky and sensitive about audio in general. There is no argument that they aren't replacing sounds wholesale semi-regularly (see my links in the quote). The question is just when (live or in post) and why. Recently a broadcaster even commented on it on a DP World Tour event. I can't find it right now, but here is an example of yet another one when I was looking for it. No amount of anything microphone/proximity/environment or otherwise makes a short iron sound like someone is chipping with a fairway wood. 

Why is it glib? You must be fun at parties….. is that what you would like the world to say? Lol

 

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Here's another one from a different thread. Some are suggesting that maybe the sound crew mixed up which mic was live... if that's the case how perfect that the other player was also making impact at the exact moment! The likelihood of that happening is so small that it's laughable. Another thing to consider is that these sound discrepancies always happen at or around the moment of impact... if the sound crew simply has the wrong mic queued up, how come we never hear ball strikes as their walking down the fairway?  

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20 minutes ago, JustBecause said:

@HeadCovered Thanks for your input on this. It sounds like you have some experience in the audio world which I admit is not my area of expertise. I have a handful of questions, but if you don't mind I'd like to pick your brain on the info you provided in your original post. 

 

It's not hard to imagine all of the variables that are at play, but even considering all of these I don't understand why oddities happen so sporadically. 

 

For example, let's say you watch all 4 days of 10 different tournaments. Of those 40 rounds let's say there are 300 wedge shots. Why is it that 299 of them sound like a "typical" ball strike that nobody would think twice about, and one sounds like the player is teeing off with driver? Shouldn't we expect a much broader spectrum of sounds on every shot? 

Ok, I’ll bite.

but lets not get too all-encompassing and say that 299 out of 300 all sound the same - they don’t. You have to admit it’s half and half and even your own shots I’m sure don’t all sound the same. 
 

So we would have to add the strike location of the face into the equation, the difference in shafts, as well as grips, toe up toe down more bounce less bounce? 
 

I don’t know for sure whether the TV production booth has a button for various strikes of shots at the ready when they can’t get the mike close enough to get a decent sound so they have a sound person at the ready to hit a button at the moment of strike to “enhance” the viewing experience. 
I wouldn’t put it past them to do so, pretty much the words spoken by all the commentators are carefully fed to them with pre-written general guide scripts, so they don’t say something unsavoury by accident. So it’s probably feasible that they do add sound. 
but I can’t say for sure myself, I would have to walk into the production trailer and see the operation. 
But watching shows like Cramer on CNBC hit buttons for sound effects while he does his show, it’s quit easy to plug that same type of system at the ready. 
but at the same time, I think they would be scared for something like that to be found out by the public, to take away from the Live experience and for the pros to want to hear their own strikes, I don’t think they would do it, but conspiracy theorists abound, and they like to run with this stuff, so I’m sorry to add fuel to the flame 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

But it’s funny 

 

 

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1 hour ago, HeadCovered said:

Ok, I’ll bite.

but lets not get too all-encompassing and say that 299 out of 300 all sound the same - they don’t. You have to admit it’s half and half and even your own shots I’m sure don’t all sound the same. 
 

So we would have to add the strike location of the face into the equation, the difference in shafts, as well as grips, toe up toe down more bounce less bounce? 
 

I don’t know for sure whether the TV production booth has a button for various strikes of shots at the ready when they can’t get the mike close enough to get a decent sound so they have a sound person at the ready to hit a button at the moment of strike to “enhance” the viewing experience. 


You don't need to bite, it's not a debate as to whether it happens, just how and when. 

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Three completely different *iron* shots that sound like an identical 3-wood from Tiger Woods PGA Tour 99' 😂

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2 hours ago, Valtiel said:


You don't need to bite, it's not a debate as to whether it happens, just how and when. 

Leishman
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Mickelson

Three completely different *iron* shots that sound like an identical 3-wood from Tiger Woods PGA Tour 99' 😂

Wanna put the conspiracy to the test even further?????

Those are all CALLAWAY staffers 

 

LMAO 

 

 

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9 hours ago, HateTheHighDraw said:

What’s interesting is if you go to a live golf event and get close to a player hitting an iron, impact sounds much quieter and cleaner than you would expect or hear on TV. It’s a solid click or thump and then you hear the zing/woosh of the ball rifling through the air. 

I experienced the same thing. I watched golf on TV for a few years before attending in person and I remember walking up to the practice range for the first time and thinking "that doesn't sound right". I assumed it was common knowledge that the sound on TV was being altered to a certain extent so I didn't bring it up for quite a while. I've been a walking scorer many times, and standing 15 feet from the players the "swoosh" is almost nonexistent. But sometimes on TV the swoosh is so loud you don't even hear the actual ball strike.  

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16 hours ago, HeadCovered said:

Ok, I’ll bite.

but lets not get too all-encompassing and say that 299 out of 300 all sound the same - they don’t. You have to admit it’s half and half and even your own shots I’m sure don’t all sound the same. 
 

So we would have to add the strike location of the face into the equation, the difference in shafts, as well as grips, toe up toe down more bounce less bounce? 
 

I don’t know for sure whether the TV production booth has a button for various strikes of shots at the ready when they can’t get the mike close enough to get a decent sound so they have a sound person at the ready to hit a button at the moment of strike to “enhance” the viewing experience. 
I wouldn’t put it past them to do so, pretty much the words spoken by all the commentators are carefully fed to them with pre-written general guide scripts, so they don’t say something unsavoury by accident. So it’s probably feasible that they do add sound. 
but I can’t say for sure myself, I would have to walk into the production trailer and see the operation. 
But watching shows like Cramer on CNBC hit buttons for sound effects while he does his show, it’s quit easy to plug that same type of system at the ready. 
but at the same time, I think they would be scared for something like that to be found out by the public, to take away from the Live experience and for the pros to want to hear their own strikes, I don’t think they would do it, but conspiracy theorists abound, and they like to run with this stuff, so I’m sorry to add fuel to the flame 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

But it’s funny 

 

 

Sure, but if it's happening (which I think is pretty undeniable) it's actually those that come up with an endless list of reasons to explain it away that are the actual conspiracy theorists. That's the irony.

 

Also, I'm not sure we have to watch them push a button in the production trailer. If a player backs off of a shot at the last second but we still hear the impact, I think it's pretty safe to say something isn't right...

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5 hours ago, JustBecause said:

Sure, but if it's happening (which I think is pretty undeniable) it's actually those that come up with an endless list of reasons to explain it away that are the actual conspiracy theorists. That's the irony.

 

Also, I'm not sure we have to watch them push a button in the production trailer. If a player backs off of a shot at the last second but we still hear the impact, I think it's pretty safe to say something isn't right...

 

I would love to be the guy on the button LMAO

 

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On 12/7/2023 at 12:34 PM, JustBecause said:

Also, I'm not sure we have to watch them push a button in the production trailer. If a player backs off of a shot at the last second but we still hear the impact, I think it's pretty safe to say something isn't right...

 

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I would love to be the guy on the button LMAO

 


And that's the most interesting bit to me, the why and the how. Why go through the trouble to even have such a thing when it sounds so...bad? We know how sounds are triggered live thanks to the proliferation of live streaming content creators, they literally have sound boards where they trigger effects at the push of a button, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they know where their gaps are in terms of microphone coverage and they have someone literally waiting to trigger a filler sound in place of it. Commentators have literally mentioned it as well, the recent one being an iron approach that clearly had a metal wood sound replacing the strike and the commentator saying something to the effect of "he's comin in with a long.....iron? Huh it didn't sound like one, but a great shot!". 

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Another funny one from the Invitational right now. Awfully grassy sounding bunker shot 😅
 

 

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@Valtiel I'm with ya, I doubt anyone would care if a sound doesn't accompany the swing, in fact very frequently there isn't but I guess certain shots they're determined to add something. What's even more perplexing to me are the reactions I almost always get from people when I bring it up. They act like I'm making a personal attack and usually won't even entertain the idea. I'm trying my best to make the WM Phoenix Open in February, I'd love to catch someone from a sound crew to hear their take. I'd love to find the clip of Bryson DeChambeau making a practice swing and hearing contact, then nothing when he actually hits it... I appreciate you sharing links, keep 'em coming!     

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      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies
    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
      • 12 replies
    • 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Tuesday #1
       
       
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Justin Thomas - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Nick Hardy - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Seamus Power - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Adam Hadwin - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Kurt Kitayama - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Byeong Hun An - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Nicolai Hojgaard - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Sam Burns - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Brandon Wu - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      JT Poston - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Nick Dunlap - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Alex Smalley - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Pau Gasol WITB (2x NBA Champion, 6x All-Star) – 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Josh Allen WITB (NFL Quarterback, Buffalo Bills) – 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Matt Kuchar - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      JJ Spaun - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Jordan Spieth - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Adam Svensson - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Adam Scott (mini) - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Taylor Moore - WITB - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Ping putters - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      TaylorMade putters - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Pebble Beach Golf Links (holes 7 & 8) – 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Odyssey putters - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Lucas Glover going to test black Srixon ZX5 & ZX7 irons - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Justin Thomas wrist training aid - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Stephen Sweeney's Putting Ballistic putting training aid - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
      Chris Kirk club changes - 2024 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am
       
       
       
       
       
      • 2 replies
    • 2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
      The course was closed all day today (Monday) because of rain so no WITBs today
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #1
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #3
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #4
      2024 Farmers Insurance Open - Tuesday #5
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Gary Woodland - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Chris Gotterup - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ludvig Aberg - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Max Homa - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Chan Kim - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Michael Block - SoCal PGA Section champ - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Hideki Matsuyama - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Collin Morikawa - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ryan Fox - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Robert MacIntyre - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ben Griffin - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Matthieu Pavon - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Alejandro Tosti - WITB - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Jason Day WITB – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Daniel Berger WITB – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New 2Thumb grip - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Chesson Hadley's new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ben Kohles' new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Vincent Whaley's new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ryo Hisatsune's new Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Charley Hoffman - custom Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      TaylorMade Tour X - X3 putter with milled metal insert - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Maverick McNealy's custom Odyssey staff bag - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Ben Baller's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      New LA Golf single bend graphite putter shaft - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      Swag Golf's - Channel 4 Headcovers - 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      L.A. Golf 120-gram prototype putter shaft – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      L.A. Golf "gold edition" driver shaft – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
      L.A. Golf prototype putters with new "exotic metal" face insert – 2024 Farmers Insurance Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      • 11 replies

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