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So one of the biggest pieces of "advice" to deal with the golf ball rollback is "Just move up a tee box".  Well, everyone doens't play at a resort course with six sets of tee boxes.  Where I play there are the forward tees (where women play from), then almost exclesively about 5 yards back are the "senior tees".  After that are the standard men's tees which are significatly farther back, then the tips which are also almost exclusively ten yards behind the tees that most people use.  

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Yeah, the "move up a tee box" is utter bs and a lot of golfers don't even have that option.  My father who's 75 already plays the whites.  He'd have to move up to the ladies tee box which he absolutely refuses to do.  I always joke that he should just wear one my mom's skirts/dresses that way he doesn't have to justify teeing off from the red tees, lol. 

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55 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Yeah, the "move up a tee box" is utter bs and a lot of golfers don't even have that option.  My father who's 75 already plays the whites.  He'd have to move up to the ladies tee box which he absolutely refuses to do.  I always joke that he should just wear one my mom's skirts/dresses that way he doesn't have to justify teeing off from the red tees, lol. 

Still, it's a lot easier for golf courses to build new forward tees than to keep moving the tees back to accommodate longer drives or become obsolete. 

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I play the senior tees at the courses I go to. I could move up to the ladies tees.

 

I play in the winter and notice a distance loss. My scores in the winter go up around ten strokes due to distance loss and conditions. In my group we have discussed playing the ladies tees this winter already. Some of the courses close off all the tee boxes in the winter and have all the tee markers together moved up in front of the ladies tees so it works out for me on those courses.

 

Some of the courses I play don't even take care of the tips anymore. Just like they don't take care of the sand traps anymore. Most courses I play I play sand traps as GUR. It sucks because I am decent out of the sand where some of my playing partners are not. I'm not hitting out of rocks. We check out the traps early in our round and decide on how we are going to play them for our round.

 

I played golf going on 30 years. I play the same 20-30 different courses every year. Over my years of playing I have not seen any of those courses add longer tees or shorter tees. Some of them have put green markers in the fairway for juniors but not tee boxes. In recent years I have noticed a lot more women playing golf and beginner older people. The ladies tees are too long for most of these people already and courses need another shorter set of tees..And now we need to roll back the ball?

 

I know I am saying senior tees and ladies tees in my post. We all need to get away from that wording. I play the tees based on the yardage I find challenging, fun and rewards me if I am playing well. 

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Absolutely yes to losing the age and gender references to tees.  Frosts the heck out of me!!  I/we play to a suitable course length relative to abilities.  I'm more seasoned, so that means shorter course lengths.  And I'm fine with that, no way does it diminish the experience. The buds that I play with have no problem with it either.  We adjust and adapt as necessary.  Any and all course rating methods are immaterial because we are not handicapping.  We know which tees to play on the regular rota courses by experience.  

 

As for multiple tee options, all depends.  Some courses we play have multiple tee box options.  Others, not so much.  Forward, middle and back is the choice.  FWIW, don't have a "home" course.  Play a number of different public courses routinely.  

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Yes and also ive decided not to spend any mental energy on what tee's in 2028-2030 ish. Its not worth worrying right now 

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1 hour ago, dashanks said:

Still, it's a lot easier for golf courses to build new forward tees than to keep moving the tees back to accommodate longer drives or become obsolete. 

Who says that courses are gonna move the tees forward?  There's no guarantee that'll ever happen by the time the roll back happens. 

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1 hour ago, SnowbirdTom said:

Y'all need to lose the gender designators for tee colors.  Play what fits your distance.  I played the reds last week with my vintage Hagen set and didn't have any gender identity issues.  I'll play the forward tees at another course Monday and bring some vintage clubs to have fun with the outing.

 

At 75, I'd expect a golfer to be playing the up set of tees and enjoying the game more - unless his/her game is good enough to actually reach the green in the appropriate number of shots regularly.  They're yardage markers, not sexual devices.  lol

My father is a single cap even from the white tees at his advanced age.  He's been scratch when he was in his 20's and 30's.  As I've stated in the other thread, I don't have a problem with a ball roll back for the pros, but leave the rest of us ams alone. 

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50 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Who says that courses are gonna move the tees forward?  There's no guarantee that'll ever happen by the time the roll back happens. 

At least the option to move the tees forward exists.  A lot of courses can't go the other way. And what, is it going to ruin your life if you have to hit a 5 iron instead of a 7?   

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17 minutes ago, dashanks said:

At least the option to move the tees forward exists.  A lot of courses can't go the other way. And what, is it going to ruin your life if you have to hit a 5 iron instead of a 7?   

I'm out there to have fun, not stress out.  Plus, the thought of playing an inferior ball doesn't sit well with me.  I'm one of the golfers that would lose 10+ yards as I'm high ss player. 

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4 hours ago, dashanks said:

Still, it's a lot easier for golf courses to build new forward tees than to keep moving the tees back to accommodate longer drives or become obsolete. 

Yes, buying real estate to extend a course back is far more costly, but surprisingly, building/extending tee boxes are costly too. 

 

Here in SOCA, having been on the BOD of two clubs, I've seen 80k-150k for a totally new tee box that fits into the course structure; reconfiguring a course has its costs too.  It's still a huge investment for owners to construct 18 new forward tee boxes worthy of fitting the course design and rating.  Sure, some courses can throw out tee blocks and call them forward tees, but that won't appease players or ratings, much less course design.  I've seen Green blocks thrown in the fairway forward of Red tees, mostly for kids. 

 

What's disturbing about this topic, the ONLY courses that face costly lengthening issues are those looking to host high-level PGA Tournaments; otherwise it's NOT an issue for the vast majority of courses, public or private.  How stupid is it, to expect the world of golfers to adjust to this dramatic change; claim it's for the future of the game, yet it only affects a limited number of courses; it's wrong.

 

I play over 150 times per year and most of the time pay for my wife who plays Red or White tees.  Except for resort level courses having five or six tee boxes, the vast majority of public and private courses have 4 tee boxes.  All the costly changes for a few whiny course owners.

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3 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

Yes, buying real estate to extend a course back is far more costly, but surprisingly, building/extending tee boxes are costly too. 

 

Here in SOCA, having been on the BOD of two clubs, I've seen 80k-150k for a totally new tee box that fits into the course structure; reconfiguring a course has its costs too.  It's still a huge investment for owners to construct 18 new forward tee boxes worthy of fitting the course design and rating.  Sure, some courses can throw out tee blocks and call them forward tees, but that won't appease players or ratings, much less course design.  I've seen Green blocks thrown in the fairway forward of Red tees, mostly for kids. 

 

What's disturbing about this topic, the ONLY courses that face costly lengthening issues are those looking to host high-level PGA Tournaments; otherwise it's NOT an issue for the vast majority of courses, public or private.  How stupid is it, to expect the world of golfers to adjust to this dramatic change; claim it's for the future of the game, yet it only affects a limited number of courses; it's wrong.

 

I play over 150 times per year and most of the time pay for my wife who plays Red or White tees.  Except for resort level courses having five or six tee boxes, the vast majority of public and private courses have 4 tee boxes.  All the costly changes for a few whiny course owners.

On those times when you don't pay for your wife, does she get mad?

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My course has 7 sets of tee boxes. We are in the top 10 in my state of rounds played per year (this includes the Bandon courses which are 1-5 by 15-20k rounds annually). We renovated the course 3 or so years ago. During the renovation we added a set of Jr tees and went away from the traditional tee colors. We now have tee boxes numbered 1-7. 
 

1 - jr tee’s

2 - combo jr and forward

3 - forward tee’s (yellow’s)

4 - combo yellow & white

5 - whites

6 - white blue combo

7 - blues

8 - blacks/tips

 

Over 50% of the rounds are played from the 5’s with another 30% played from the yellows. The 1’s and 8’s are both about 1% of our rounds. No reason to build another tee box further back. Of that 1% I’ve seen play from the tips (I’m an asst super so I’m on the course A LOT) probably 75% have no business playing from those tees. 
 

I guess I just don’t get it. They are changing the game for everyone because of less than 1%. This isn’t about preserving courses. Pasatiempo is going through or just a renovation. To my knowledge that wasn’t about lengthening the course. The Bandon courses are as short overall as major courses out there. They have provided plenty of challenge at the USGA events.  If courses want to stay in the consideration for majors or whatever let them figure it out. 


 

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3 hours ago, dashanks said:

On those times when you don't pay for your wife, does she get mad?

LOL No.  Those times are when she's playing with her gal pals.

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4 hours ago, dashanks said:

On those times when you don't pay for your wife, does she get mad?

Glad to see you have a sense of humor.   I'm still feeling my way around this place.   Seriously though, I guess I'm pretty ambivalent about the rollback.   Can't see how it hurts anyone and in a small way it may help.   I would think that smaller courses mean less maintenance, less chemicals, less water.  This should all lead to less expensive operating costs which will, naturally, be passed on to the golfer in the form of lower greens fees.  (Yeah, I know)

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We have five sets of tees, with combos between each set.


Gold - 7,000 yards

Gold/Blue - 6,800 yards

Blue - 6,500 yards

Blue/White - 6,200 yards

White - 6,000 yards

White/Silver - 5,800 yards

Silver - 5,600 yards

Silver/Red - 5,400 yards

Red - 5,200 yards

 

My 22-handicap wife would still like a set of "green" tees that are closer to 4,900 yards; we know where they would go, and most could be constructed, at least to start, with a lawnmower as opposed to full-on tee construction.

 

At 61 years old, I play the blue or blue/white combo in the summer, and the whites in the winter when it's wet or cold. Our members play the full gamut, and a number of the older guys play the white/silver combo, silvers, or red. 

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4 hours ago, mallrat said:

This isn’t about preserving courses.

 

I do think you've got that wrong . . . in fact, that's what the whole deal is about. And, I predict further equipment measures to be introduced in the next decade to hold down driving distance. We will all survive and golf will be the better for it. 🙂

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Was golf fun for you in 2005 or 2010 at those tees that have been there for 50 years?  If it was fun then, it will still be fun if you lose 7 yards and have to play from the same tees.  Your handicap may go up a half stroke because of cumulatively losing a few yards.  But the difference between a 13.2 and 13.7 handicap is meaningless.

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My home course has Tour Black, Championship Gold, Blue, White and Red wayyyyyy forward.  Plenty of tees to move around on.  However, the white to red jump is extreme.  Low swing speed older gentleman are concerned for sure. Rightfully so!  They are all talking about it.  Most thought this is happening soon!  in 2030 my dad will be 86 and he's already told me about his soon to be stockpile haha.  IF you aren't playing sanctioned USGA or Tour events how much does it truly matter?  I assume a club could impose a local rule and say "all balls are welcome here"

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