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Just replaced a Vokey SM9 58 12D with a RTX 6 58 12 Full for the first time on Saturday. 

 

It could be my imagination but the RTX felt much better, less like a hollow body iron and distance control seemed better compared to SM9. With SM9 I often get what feel like fliers. 

 

Based on what I saw and felt will look to replace my SM9 50 10F and 54 10S with RTX Mids of same loft.

 

Interested to hear other thoughts on this in general and specifically the distance control observation.

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2 minutes ago, elwhippy said:

I have a mix of Vokey and Cleveland wedges. Vokey may spin a tad more but the Clevelands win on feel. The spinner shaft that Cleveland fit is brilliant.

 

Thanks for the response.

 

Now that you mention it, the shaft did feel different. Perhaps more stable compared to the wedge flex.

 

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RTX 6 feel softer to me than my Vokey SM8 and SM9. I actually get more spin with the RTX also with chip and pitch shots, same spin on full shots.

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I can’t say I necessarily prefer one over the other on full-shots, but I know that strongly prefer RTX’s around the greens. The grind options are straight forward and easy to get used to, whereas I never felt confident with how Vokey D/M grinds would interact with the turf on shorter chip and bunker shots

 

Just my personal experience, obviously Vokeys are great wedges. I definitely think RTX’s are softer though

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I recently replaced Vokey's with some tour rack clevelenad wedges and am very happy. Played a Vokey M grind for basically 10 years but was struggling as Vokey removed offset. I don't like zero offset looks when I open it around the greens. Cleveland still has a small bit of offset so im more comfortable with them. I'm indifferent to the feel differences. Neither are great. Neither are poor. Spin seems the same for me. Overall, very happy and would buy again. 

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I've tried various Vokeys over the years, and there wasn't one that made me want to go away from the Clevelands I've been using going back to the RTX4.  Prior to that, I actually liked the TM and Nike wedges more than Vokeys. 

 

But back to the Vokey and RTX wedges...I've tried an F grind for my 50* and it felt clunky thru the turf when compared to the same lofted and similar bounce from Cleveland.  This goes for the RTX 4, Zipcore, and the RTX 6 currently in the bag. 

 

I also tried a 58/12 D grind for a while, and I never felt as comfortable with it compared to a 56* RTX Mid bounce bent 2* weak that I've used for my 58*.  Turf interaction was just more consistent and the ball would react as I expected it to with the RTX.  The D grind wasn't consistent enough for me.  

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13 hours ago, AddInfinitum said:

I thought the RTX’s looked intimidating for some reason. Seemed a small footprint compared to the Vokey.

Depends on the model/generation. I have RTX-4’s and the latest RTX-6’s. The 4’s have a considerably smaller footprint compared to the 6’s. I think the 6’s have a larger footprint than Vokeys

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On 4/16/2024 at 2:41 AM, AmateurAmateur said:

I Made the switch to RTX based off the custom grinds they had available at the retail level. Going onto my 4th set of them now, and will likely buy a 5th and 6th set just incase the next few models are a step back. An excellent wedge. 

Can you please elaborate on the Cleveland grinds? I'm about to buy a 56 and 60 for my boy. He's generally not a handle drag method like Phil or Speith. Not a get left and come down steep like Gabegolf/trackman maestro. More a shallow handpath and throw the head early like a Tsan Utely type.

 

Also, any experience with DG spinner shafts? My boys only ever used KBS Hi Rev 2.0. But that shaft is getting a little soft and Cleveland doesn't seem to offer tha it in an X flex.

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26 minutes ago, Tugu said:

Can you please elaborate on the Cleveland grinds? I'm about to buy a 56 and 60 for my boy. He's generally not a handle drag method like Phil or Speith. Not a get left and come down steep like Gabegolf/trackman maestro. More a shallow handpath and throw the head early like a Tsan Utely type.

 

Also, any experience with DG spinner shafts? My boys only ever used KBS Hi Rev 2.0. But that shaft is getting a little soft and Cleveland doesn't seem to offer tha it in an X flex.

They have custom grind options on the website for added heel or trailing edge relief, at a lower cost than Wedgeworks. More bounce options, more variety. 

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2 hours ago, Tugu said:

Can you please elaborate on the Cleveland grinds? I'm about to buy a 56 and 60 for my boy. He's generally not a handle drag method like Phil or Speith. Not a get left and come down steep like Gabegolf/trackman maestro. More a shallow handpath and throw the head early like a Tsan Utely type.

 

Also, any experience with DG spinner shafts? My boys only ever used KBS Hi Rev 2.0. But that shaft is getting a little soft and Cleveland doesn't seem to offer tha it in an X flex.

 

Last year I was picked as one of five golfwrx testers for a set of Cleveland RTX-6 wedges.  We could ask for length and lie adjustments, but all wedges came with the stock DG Spinner shaft.  Comparing the step pattern on that shaft to other clubs I have, I think the DG Spinner is a DG S300 8-iron shaft, meaning that it follows the "spinner trick" that @Howard_Joneshas talked about on here, but for someone that normally plays R300 shafts in their irons. 

 

I play X100 soft stepped once in my irons (4i-PW) and used to play S300 in my Vokey wedges.  When I compared the RTX-6 PW with the spinner shaft with my current PW (indoors on a trackman), the launch and spin were pretty much the same.  The same thing happened when I compared the Cleveland SW and LW with my Vokeys.  So, for me at least, the DG Spinner shaft doesn't really do anything different for me compared to my other DG shafts.  For what it is worth, my driver swing speed is about 107 mph and with the wedges I was getting upper 80's swing speed during that trackman session.

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I was a Vokey guy for 20 years or so, tried some Cleveland wedges during that time, and didn't care for them.  My first Cleveland that went in the bag was a 588 RTX 2.0 CB, went back to Vokeys after that, but over the past 4-5 years I've been 100% Cleveland, and I really like the RTX Tour Racks I'm playing now. 

 

You mention distance control, they are spot on for me, LW 80y+, 54 goes 95-100, 50 degree 105-110.  What they do well for me also is I can take a little off of them and they go as expected, especially my 50 and 54, they will go about a club less with a touch less spin.  I have struggled with the 80-90% shot in the past, not so with the RTX. 

 

Another thing, there is something about the CG/sweetspot of the Clevelands that is different for me.   I have picked up Vokeys in the shop over the past few years and hit on the simulator, and I literally start shanking them, switch over any Cleveland wedge and hit the center of the face, just odd to me....

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40 minutes ago, grochol17 said:

 

Last year I was picked as one of five golfwrx testers for a set of Cleveland RTX-6 wedges.  We could ask for length and lie adjustments, but all wedges came with the stock DG Spinner shaft.  Comparing the step pattern on that shaft to other clubs I have, I think the DG Spinner is a DG S300 8-iron shaft, meaning that it follows the "spinner trick" that @Howard_Joneshas talked about on here, but for someone that normally plays R300 shafts in their irons. 

 

I play X100 soft stepped once in my irons (4i-PW) and used to play S300 in my Vokey wedges.  When I compared the RTX-6 PW with the spinner shaft with my current PW (indoors on a trackman), the launch and spin were pretty much the same.  The same thing happened when I compared the Cleveland SW and LW with my Vokeys.  So, for me at least, the DG Spinner shaft doesn't really do anything different for me compared to my other DG shafts.  For what it is worth, my driver swing speed is about 107 mph and with the wedges I was getting upper 80's swing speed during that trackman session.


Since the #8 iron spinner shafts flex, is "relative to irons", and you play X100 SS1, a #8 iron spinner for you should have the flex of a dedicated X100 PW shaft, used as GW (your GW then becomes SS1 like your irons is), while if you use DGS flex, you are more than a full flex softer, and that only adds launch, but cut of spin, while the #8 spinner will lower launch and add spin.

The right GW shaft as #8 iron spinner will be a DG X7 - #7 iron shaft, while a S flex #8 iron shaft, is "5 shafts softer".
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41 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:


Since the #8 iron spinner shafts flex, is "relative to irons", and you play X100 SS1, a #8 iron spinner for you should have the flex of a dedicated X100 PW shaft, used as GW (your GW then becomes SS1 like your irons is), while if you use DGS flex, you are more than a full flex softer, and that only adds launch, but cut of spin, while the #8 spinner will lower launch and add spin.

The right GW shaft as #8 iron spinner will be a DG X7 - #7 iron shaft, while a S flex #8 iron shaft, is "5 shafts softer".
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No idea what the above means. Kid's on course SS is 115+ mph and uses KBS money Taper S+. May I ask what shaft your scale recommends?

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2 minutes ago, Tugu said:

No idea what the above means. Kid's on course SS is 115+ mph and uses KBS money Taper S+. May I ask what shaft your scale recommends?


He plays a "half flex model" (options S, S+, X) so it would be a S Taper X flex  - PW shaft, used as GW, SW and LW

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The new Cleveland offerings are excellent clubs (CB and RTX).  I was pretty amazed at them when hitting them at the 2024 demo day near me.  I almost pulled the trigger but I have another season (or 2 - depending) with my SM5 (I bought 3 sets lol).  I can see myself switching to Cleveland next go around.   They are super solid clubs.

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1 hour ago, Howard_Jones said:


Since the #8 iron spinner shafts flex, is "relative to irons", and you play X100 SS1, a #8 iron spinner for you should have the flex of a dedicated X100 PW shaft, used as GW (your GW then becomes SS1 like your irons is), while if you use DGS flex, you are more than a full flex softer, and that only adds launch, but cut of spin, while the #8 spinner will lower launch and add spin.

The right GW shaft as #8 iron spinner will be a DG X7 - #7 iron shaft, while a S flex #8 iron shaft, is "5 shafts softer".
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After I got the Cleveland wedges, I was disappointed when I realized that the DG Spinner shaft seems to be aimed at people playing R300s in their irons.  At some point I'm going to get the PW reshafted with an X7, but I'm having trouble finding anyone near me that has or will order only the 7 iron shaft.  However, it was interesting when I got on the trackman to see that my various wedges with X100 ssX1, S300, and DG Spinner shafts all performed the same for me.  They were all different models of clubhead, so that probably was contributing some, but I think I might also be someone that isn't super sensitive to flex profile or weight differences when it comes to my launch conditions.

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1 hour ago, grochol17 said:

 

After I got the Cleveland wedges, I was disappointed when I realized that the DG Spinner shaft seems to be aimed at people playing R300s in their irons.  At some point I'm going to get the PW reshafted with an X7, but I'm having trouble finding anyone near me that has or will order only the 7 iron shaft.  However, it was interesting when I got on the trackman to see that my various wedges with X100 ssX1, S300, and DG Spinner shafts all performed the same for me.  They were all different models of clubhead, so that probably was contributing some, but I think I might also be someone that isn't super sensitive to flex profile or weight differences when it comes to my launch conditions.


Since you play X100 SS1, your PW becomes "full flex" for you (instead of SS1 like it is for those who plays X100 strait in, unless a #8 iron shaft was used), so you can use "Tiger stepping", and a X100 #9 iron shaft, tip trimmed 3/8" if you dont like the idea of reaming the hosel to 0.370, and if you dont mind reaming, tip trim it 5/8" (to get full flex like a dedicated GW would have been as SS1).
- That shaft will have a higher weight than DG X7 - #7, since the X7 would be SS2, and bring "comparable weight" down with about 3.5 grams...(132 grams/38" = 3.47 grams per inch more butt cut....X7 - #7 becomes 128.5 grams "comparable weight" vs 130 if you use Tiger stepping/tip trim)

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On 4/14/2024 at 4:04 PM, nino44 said:

I recently replaced Vokey's with some tour rack clevelenad wedges and am very happy. Played a Vokey M grind for basically 10 years but was struggling as Vokey removed offset. I don't like zero offset looks when I open it around the greens. Cleveland still has a small bit of offset so im more comfortable with them. I'm indifferent to the feel differences. Neither are great. Neither are poor. Spin seems the same for me. Overall, very happy and would buy again. 

Same here.  I picked up the previous Gen Tour Rack Raw in 54 & 58.  Been playing Vokeys since well before the Groove rule changed.  Even though just Subtle changes over the years, I preferred some generations over other.  I agree no real difference on full shots, but the look, feel and profile of the Tour Rack really agree with me.  I just have standard ones with medium bounce.

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Both are great options IMHO.  I’ve played both pretty extensively and preferred Rtx zipcore last 2 seasons.  But the sm10’s might be my favorites currently.  The shape of sm10’s are the best but the feel of rtx is my favorite.  It’s just hard to get away from the shape of the vokey’s for me.  Plus, that new nickel finish is $!

 

One thing that stood out to me the most about rtx was the forgiveness.  Took me by surprise honestly.  In terms of distance control, both are fantastic.  Just find the right loft and grinds and go.  The more you play with each, the better friends you become… haha

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