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Can someone please talk Ping into creating a mini driver… If they did, would you want turbulators or no?  
 

Callaway is coming out with one, taylormade has a home run with the BRNR (just updated that one and looks great) and titleist just made one and looks awesome (anything like the TSR3 and I will be getting one). 
 

Do you use a mini driver? I caved my mini 300 13.5 degree and they gave me a new Qi10ls driver instead as a replacement … sold it and waiting on some of these minis to come out. Currently use a 17 degree OG UW with a graphite design HD 7X tipped 2”. One of my favorite clubs but want something with a bit more launching power off the tee and not a fan of 3 woods (not very forgiving compared to driver or even the UW - uw is extremely consistent on mishit spin and ball speed). 

BTW Justin Thomas is testing the titleist mini driver at the heritage, Xander with the Callaway and Rory is testing the taylormade mini! 
 

Let’s hear it! 

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3 hours ago, SoCalTitleist said:

they already make  a Stretch 3, mini driver fad pops up every few years.

Tell me you’re not a mini driver fan without telling me… 😂  Tour players don’t change easily since they’ve grooved a certain setup for so long. If it’s gaining traction out there it’s worth a look (players that only use it off the tee it’s a no brainer but takes a bit to find the right setup and tee height - much higher moi and if they love their driver *like me* it’s a perfect transition in the bag). Shorter players probably benefit from having a 3 wood more since they’ll use it a lot from the fairway. 

 

I thought the stretch was just a strong 3 wood (not a big change in CC over the normal 3 wood and MOI isn’t too different either). 

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35 minutes ago, SoCalTitleist said:

they already make  a Stretch 3, mini driver fad pops up every few years.

 

To be fair, they haven't done a version of one of these since the G400.  One could make the argument that they're due for something in this niche, even if they just brought back the Rapture with an adjustable hosel.

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1 hour ago, Scottishducati said:

Tell you’re not a mini driver fan without telling me… 😂  Tour players don’t change easily since they’ve grooved a certain setup for so long. If it’s gaining traction out there it’s worth a look (players that only use it off the tee it’s a no brainer but takes a bit to find the right setup and tee height - much higher moi and if they love their driver *like me* it’s a perfect transition in the bag). Shorter players probably benefit from having a 3 wood more since they’ll use it a lot from the fairway. 

 

I thought the stretch was just a strong 3 wood (not a big change in CC over the normal 3 wood and MOI isn’t too different either). 

I wouldn’t say it’s gaining traction out there. How many tour pros actually bag a mini driver for events ? 

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17 minutes ago, doctor220 said:

I wouldn’t say it’s gaining traction out there. How many tour pros actually bag a mini driver for events ? 

… testing currently or in play … Rory, Xander, JT, Fleetwood, Dechambeau, Cam Young, Ben Taylor, Christian Bezuidenhout to name a few. Quite a few guys on korn ferry and DP world. Great option... not gaining traction… but people are seeing the benefits and testing and putting into play. 

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To be honest, I am ok without a mini driver. Less face area and unusable off the deck from 99% of lies is not appealing. I can turn over a driver just fine as is and frankly I think the people who truly think their slice will magically become a draw just by decreasing the ccs of their driver head are probably kidding themselves. I get away with far more drives off the toe/heel/low on face/high on face than I hit cuts that would have turned over if the head was smaller.

 

I'm sure it would be great for some folks but I can't figure out what the need is for it. If you want tighter dispersion why not just shorten the shaft of a regular driver? Would probably be easier to hit in the center and go just as far as a mini. Also don't think they're much better off the deck than just ripping a regular driver off the deck with proper technique, but I've only hit the Taylormade iterations, so maybe another brand's model is better. 

 

I do find it hilarious that Scott Fawcett is taking credit for the popularity of mini drivers. Now that is funny. Shocked that with all of his power and influence Ping hasn't taken notice and put out an entire line of mini drivers just because he talked about them in a webinar or something

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41 minutes ago, Scottishducati said:

… testing currently or in play … Rory, Xander, JT, Fleetwood, Dechambeau, Cam Young, Ben Taylor, Christian Bezuidenhout to name a few. Quite a few guys on korn ferry and DP world. Great option... not gaining traction… but people are seeing the benefits and testing and putting into play. 

Think it would be helpful to separate who is testing and who is actually playing. It would make marketing sense for your top players to be seen hitting a new club you’re unveiling and they do this with just about every club that it makes sense for a good player to play. 
 

it is another thing if they actually put them in the bag. Mini drivers aren’t versatile and these same good players you refer to hit 3W pretty darn good. Modern 3W go mega far anyway so think these mini drivers are kinda nonsensical clubs. 

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24 minutes ago, kiawah said:

I do find it hilarious that Scott Fawcett is taking credit for the popularity of mini drivers. Now that is funny. Shocked that with all of his power and influence Ping hasn't taken notice and put out an entire line of mini drivers just because he talked about them in a webinar or something

 

Scott is a gigantic narcissist. 

 

He also is basically solely responsible for WIll Zalatoris' success and could easily join the Champions Tour if it wasn't for [enter excuse number 873]. 

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26 minutes ago, doctor220 said:

Think it would be helpful to separate who is testing and who is actually playing. It would make marketing sense for your top players to be seen hitting a new club you’re unveiling and they do this with just about every club that it makes sense for a good player to play. 
 

it is another thing if they actually put them in the bag. Mini drivers aren’t versatile and these same good players you refer to hit 3W pretty darn good. Modern 3W go mega far anyway so think these mini drivers are kinda nonsensical clubs. 

Which 2W / mini’s have you tried out? 

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38 minutes ago, RCGA said:

 

Scott is a gigantic narcissist. 

 

He also is basically solely responsible for WIll Zalatoris' success and could easily join the Champions Tour if it wasn't for [enter excuse number 873]. 

Such a turnoff. I was a Decade subscriber at one point (NEVER again) and I remember tweeting something pretty mild about how I played more freely or better when I just forgot about the Decade philosophies and just played golf and he blocked me. Kind of funny. 

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2 hours ago, doctor220 said:

Think it would be helpful to separate who is testing and who is actually playing. It would make marketing sense for your top players to be seen hitting a new club you’re unveiling and they do this with just about every club that it makes sense for a good player to play. 
 

it is another thing if they actually put them in the bag. Mini drivers aren’t versatile and these same good players you refer to hit 3W pretty darn good. Modern 3W go mega far anyway so think these mini drivers are kinda nonsensical clubs. 

 

Phil and Jake Knapp have it in the bag are two that weren't mentioned.

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2 hours ago, kiawah said:

To be honest, I am ok without a mini driver. Less face area and unusable off the deck from 99% of lies is not appealing. I can turn over a driver just fine as is and frankly I think the people who truly think their slice will magically become a draw just by decreasing the ccs of their driver head are probably kidding themselves. I get away with far more drives off the toe/heel/low on face/high on face than I hit cuts that would have turned over if the head was smaller.

 

I'm sure it would be great for some folks but I can't figure out what the need is for it. If you want tighter dispersion why not just shorten the shaft of a regular driver? Would probably be easier to hit in the center and go just as far as a mini. Also don't think they're much better off the deck than just ripping a regular driver off the deck with proper technique, but I've only hit the Taylormade iterations, so maybe another brand's model is better. 

 

I do find it hilarious that Scott Fawcett is taking credit for the popularity of mini drivers. Now that is funny. Shocked that with all of his power and influence Ping hasn't taken notice and put out an entire line of mini drivers just because he talked about them in a webinar or something

The point of mini driver/2 metal is to cover the distance gap for longer guys.  The longer you are, the bigger the gap between driver and 3/5 metal.  That's where the mini driver comes into play.  Guys like Bryson and Cam Young definitely benefit from having one their bag since they won't ever need to hit a 3/4 metal off the deck. 

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11 hours ago, Scottishducati said:

Can someone please talk Ping into creating a mini driver… If they did, would you want turbulators or no?  
 

Callaway is coming out with one, taylormade has a home run with the BRNR (just updated that one and looks great) and titleist just made one and looks awesome (anything like the TSR3 and I will be getting one). 
 

Do you use a mini driver? I caved my mini 300 13.5 degree and they gave me a new Qi10ls driver instead as a replacement … sold it and waiting on some of these minis to come out. Currently use a 17 degree OG UW with a graphite design HD 7X tipped 2”. One of my favorite clubs but want something with a bit more launching power off the tee and not a fan of 3 woods (not very forgiving compared to driver or even the UW - uw is extremely consistent on mishit spin and ball speed). 

BTW Justin Thomas is testing the titleist mini driver at the heritage, Xander with the Callaway and Rory is testing the taylormade mini! 
 

Let’s hear it! 

They had a hell of mini driver with the Rature Ti. I had one and it was a weapon. Should have never got rid of it.

 

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6 hours ago, eric61 said:

I posted about this elsewhere but since this is a Ping-focused thread, I thought it was really interesting to see Marty Jertson talking about how he ditched his 3W for a 12 degree G430 Max driver playing 42.75” in this video today.

 

It at least leads me to believe it’s something Ping might think about. Even if it’s just adding the Stretch back into the lineup, I’d love to see them pursue it.

The 2014 Rature Ti was really hot and for a big fwy wood very easy to hit off the deck. It was expensive relatively to everything else on the market at that time, but it was giving driver ball speeds from a big fwy wood. I played one for a year and it was only 5-10 yds behind my driver. Of course I got rid of it, but man it was a great club. Had the heavy tungsten sole. If they would use that club as a template and add their “spincistency” tech to it that would be very good. 

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10 hours ago, hammergolf said:

The 2014 Rature Ti was really hot and for a big fwy wood very easy to hit off the deck. It was expensive relatively to everything else on the market at that time, but it was giving driver ball speeds from a big fwy wood. I played one for a year and it was only 5-10 yds behind my driver. Of course I got rid of it, but man it was a great club. Had the heavy tungsten sole. If they would use that club as a template and add their “spincistency” tech to it that would be very good. 

The Rapture from 2014 was a great club. I remember it being a great tee option for me when I was struggling with driver. Much better than the Ping Stretch which came out years later. I still have mine & haven't played it in a few years, but it was that good. Also toyed with the Long Tom 2 wood from around 2012. Didn't get much love on here but was also a great off the tee. I consider both to be a bit of a precursor to the Mini-Driver trend.

 

I didn't realize Callaway was coming out with a new one. I still have the Big Bertha Mini 1.5 from several years ago. I thought Callaway to be a "one & done" with Mini-Driver trend. TM sort of had this category all to themselves last few years. I'm Interested to hear more about the Callaway Mini.

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19 hours ago, kiawah said:

I am ok without a mini driver. Less face area and unusable off the deck from 99% of lies is not appealing. I can turn over a driver just fine as is and frankly I think the people who truly think their slice will magically become a draw just by decreasing the ccs of their driver head are probably kidding themselves.

 

Its fine if it does not fit your bag however others have a different usage for it that counteract the qualms you make. 

 

There are very few bags out there that use this as their primary driver even tho it is called a mini driver.

 

I, like many others, use it as a 2w and in that perspective it has a lot more face area and is very useable off the deck and if cannot wrap your head around it then you probably do not vibe well with deep faced fw off the turf in general. 

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 Deep-faced 3Ws off the turf are actually great for me unless I'm playing on super firm, dry, baked-out fairways. I play a 15* TSi3, which has a deeper face than most. I just think with 11-12 degrees of loft, the ROI from good swings with a mini vs a 3+ or actual 2 wood is going to be minimal for golfers swinging under 115 mph. You simply are not going to elevate the ball enough without that amount of swing speed to hold a normal green, and unless you're playing a ton of par 5s that allow you 30+ yards of runway for the ball to roll out or 5 stimpmeter soft greens, you are probably not going to end up with any eagle looks using that club.

 

I'll politely disagree with the idea that the increased face area of a mini driver is advantageous over a fairway wood if you are using it off the deck, as you say. The face area is relevant off the tee because (assuming the ball is teed up around the height of the crown of your driver or fairway wood) the entire face is sitting at the level of or below the golf ball. Off the deck, the golf ball will only occupy a fraction of the depth of a driver or mini driver face compared to even the deepest face fairway wood. If you can't even get the sweet spot/CoG to the level of the ball from the fairway without taking turf, that doesn't sound like a very good fairway wood option. I think any one of the 3 wood+ offerings in around 13.5 degrees from most manufacturers would be a much better alternative for most players and almost all players below 115 SS. 

 

I could see it being an option for the best players in the world depending on course conditions and how certain events are set up week-to-week, but it's marketed to fill a nonexistent need in order to sell more clubs. If it works for you, awesome, and more power to you. Two truths remain:

 

For 99% of golfers who are struggling with their driver (and not making good contact the majority of the time), this is not a good solution.

There are much better solutions available for 99% of golfers who want a club that goes longer than their 3-wood off the deck. 

 

That said, it is fun to hit. Just not practical if you're concerned about the scores you're shooting and don't swing pretty fast.

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19 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

The point of mini driver/2 metal is to cover the distance gap for longer guys.  The longer you are, the bigger the gap between driver and 3/5 metal.  That's where the mini driver comes into play.  Guys like Bryson and Cam Young definitely benefit from having one their bag since they won't ever need to hit a 3/4 metal off the deck. 

Yeah, if you're that long, then by all means, play it. I only swing it like 108-110, so a minidriver wouldn't do me any good. My point is that most golfers are not Bryson or Cam Young and probably have well over 200 yards in multiple times a round and would be best served with a plain jane 3 wood or a 3+.  

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2 hours ago, Glock917 said:

 

Its fine if it does not fit your bag however others have a different usage for it that counteract the qualms you make. 

 

There are very few bags out there that use this as their primary driver even tho it is called a mini driver.

 

I, like many others, use it as a 2w and in that perspective it has a lot more face area and is very useable off the deck and if cannot wrap your head around it then you probably do not vibe well with deep faced fw off the turf in general. 

Deep-faced 3Ws off the turf are actually great for me unless I'm playing on super firm, dry, baked-out fairways. I play a 15* TSi3, which has a deeper face than most. I just think with 11-12 degrees of loft, the ROI from good swings with a mini vs a 3+ or actual 2 wood is going to be minimal for golfers swinging under 115 mph. You simply are not going to elevate the ball enough without that amount of swing speed to hold a normal green, and unless you're playing a ton of par 5s that allow you 30+ yards of runway for the ball to roll out or 5 stimpmeter soft greens, you are probably not going to end up with any eagle looks using that club.

 

I'll politely disagree with the idea that the increased face area of a mini driver is advantageous over a fairway wood if you are using it off the deck, as you say. The face area is relevant off the tee because (assuming the ball is teed up around the height of the crown of your driver or fairway wood) the entire face is sitting at the level of or below the golf ball. Off the deck, the golf ball will only occupy a fraction of the depth of a driver or mini driver face compared to even the deepest face fairway wood. If you can't even get the sweet spot/CoG to the level of the ball from the fairway without taking turf, that doesn't sound like a very good fairway wood option. I think any one of the 3 wood+ offerings in around 13.5 degrees from most manufacturers would be a much better alternative for most players and almost all players below 115 SS. 

 

I could see it being an option for the best players in the world depending on course conditions and how certain events are set up week-to-week, but it's marketed to fill a nonexistent need in order to sell more clubs. If it works for you, awesome, and more power to you. Two truths remain:

 

For 99% of golfers who are struggling with their driver (and not making good contact the majority of the time), this is not a good solution.

There are much better solutions available for 99% of golfers who want a club that goes longer than their 3-wood off the deck. 

 

That said, it is fun to hit. Just not practical if you're concerned about the scores you're shooting and don't swing pretty fast.

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On 4/17/2024 at 12:47 PM, Poor Mans Ty Webb said:

 

To be fair, they haven't done a version of one of these since the G400.  One could make the argument that they're due for something in this niche, even if they just brought back the Rapture with an adjustable hosel.

I believe that my Rapture has an adjustable hosel - standard, open and closed.  Just like my G25.

 

The Rapture was a great club for certain situations - like narrow fairways.

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I like the mini drier craze that everyone is going towards, its nice to have different options available. That being said, I feel like the current G430 LST 3 wood is like a mini driver in that it really moves the ball and has a deeper face than the max line fairways. I have a G430 LST 3 wood and its very fun to hit, also very long but not that forgiving. 

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20 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

The point of mini driver/2 metal is to cover the distance gap for longer guys.  The longer you are, the bigger the gap between driver and 3/5 metal.  That's where the mini driver comes into play.  Guys like Bryson and Cam Young definitely benefit from having one their bag since they won't ever need to hit a 3/4 metal off the deck. 

I’m a long hitter and play one but it’s not a gapping issue for me. My driver is a fade set up 95% of the time. Turning it over gets squirrely.  I have the 13.5 mini turned down 2 clicks for a little open face angle. Other than that it is set up for as short as it can be distance wise. Heavier weights 6g front and 16g rear playing 1/2” short at 43.25”.  It is an automatic 280 burner cut off the ground or I can tee it up 1/2-3/4” and launch it with high draw and can carry it 300+. It is extremely efficient low on the face as well. If I really try I can get this thing, set up as is, and get it within 15-20y of my driver.
 

Personally I think they play it because they rarely need a full 3wood into any holes so launch high and long carry for better approach angles into a green isn’t a need like it use to be. 

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1 hour ago, gvogel said:

I believe that my Rapture has an adjustable hosel - standard, open and closed.  Just like my G25.

 

The Rapture was a great club for certain situations - like narrow fairways.


 

Fair, I meant Ping’s updated hosel - bit more adjustability.

 

Point is, that club was great - and ahead of its time. Might do well now with minimal changes given the cult following and more favorable climate for clubs in this niche. 

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3 hours ago, kiawah said:

I'll politely disagree with the idea that the increased face area of a mini driver is advantageous over a fairway wood if you are using it off the deck, as you say. The face area is relevant off the tee because (assuming the ball is teed up around the height of the crown of your driver or fairway wood) the entire face is sitting at the level of or below the golf ball. Off the deck, the golf ball will only occupy a fraction of the depth of a driver or mini driver face compared to even the deepest face fairway wood.

 

Surprisingly this club is very hot on low strikes and I would almost say the sweet spot is on the lower equator of the face. I gamed mine for a year now and my wear pattern is strictly on the low part of the face. I tee it up at most 1/4" just so it does not sit down on turf and feel comfortable off the turf in that same aspect. Not saying I am hitting this thing off rough or questionable lies just like any other 3w I used prior. 

 

This all sounds like a take from one that has not gamed one extensively and a view from afar.

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2 minutes ago, Glock917 said:

 

Surprisingly this club is very hot on low strikes and I would almost say the sweet spot is on the lower equator of the face. I gamed mine for a year now and my wear pattern is strictly on the low part of the face. I tee it up at most 1/4" just so it does not sit down on turf and feel comfortable off the turf in that same aspect. Not saying I am hitting this thing off rough or questionable lies just like any other 3w I used prior. 

 

This all sounds like a take from one that has not gamed one extensively and a view from afar.

Definitely haven't gamed one extensively but have tried multiple. Don't really see much merit in it imo but different strokes for different folks

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If I had a minimalist bag, I could see a mini driver I could hit off the deck to be useful. Other than that, it's just talk every few years or so.

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      Keita Nakajima - WITB - 2024 PGA Championship
      Kazuma Kobori - WITB - 2024 PGA Championship
      David Puig - WITB - 2024 PGA Championship
      Ryan Van Velzen - WITB - 2024 PGA Championship
       
       
       
       
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      Ping putter covers - 2024 PGA Championship
      Bettinardi covers - 2024 PGA Championship
      Cameron putter covers - 2024 PGA Championship
      Max Homa - Titleist 2 wood - 2024 PGA Championship
      Scotty Cameron experimental putter shaft by UST - 2024 PGA Championship
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Wells Fargo Championship - Discussion and Links to Photos
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      General Albums
       
      2024 Wells Fargo Championship - Monday #1
      2024 Wells Fargo Championship - Tuesday #1
      2024 Wells Fargo Championship - Tuesday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Akshay Bhatia - WITB - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Matthieu Pavon - WITB - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Keegan Bradley - WITB - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Webb Simpson - WITB - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Emiliano Grillo - WITB - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Taylor Pendrith - WITB - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Kevin Tway - WITB - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
       
       
       
       
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      Rory McIlroy - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      New Cobra equipment truck - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Eric Cole's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Custom Cameron putter - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Matt Kuchar's custom Bettinardi - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Justin Thomas - driver change - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Rickie Fowler - putter change - 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Rickie Fowler's new custom Odyssey Jailbird 380 putter – 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Tommy Fleetwood testing a TaylorMade Spider Tour X (with custom neck) – 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
      Cobra Darkspeed Volition driver – 2024 Wells Fargo Championship
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson - Discussion and Links to Photos
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      General Albums
       
      2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson - Monday #1
      2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson - Monday #2
      2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson - Tuesday #1
      2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson - Tuesday #2
      2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Pierceson Coody - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Kris Kim - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      David Nyfjall - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Adrien Dumont de Chassart - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Jarred Jetter - North Texas PGA Section Champ - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Richy Werenski - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Wesley Bryan - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Parker Coody - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Peter Kuest - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Blaine Hale, Jr. - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Kelly Kraft - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Rico Hoey - WITB - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
       
       
       
       
       
       
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      Adam Scott's 2 new custom L.A.B. Golf putters - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
      Scotty Cameron putters - 2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Zurich Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
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      General Albums
       
      2024 Zurich Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Zurich Classic - Monday #2
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Alex Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Zurich Classic
      Austin Cook - WITB - 2024 Zurich Classic
      Alejandro Tosti - WITB - 2024 Zurich Classic
      Davis Riley - WITB - 2024 Zurich Classic
      MJ Daffue - WITB - 2024 Zurich Classic
      Nate Lashley - WITB - 2024 Zurich Classic
       
       
       
       
       
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      MJ Daffue's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Zurich Classic
      Cameron putters - 2024 Zurich Classic
      Swag covers ( a few custom for Nick Hardy) - 2024 Zurich Classic
      Custom Bettinardi covers for Matt and Alex Fitzpatrick - 2024 Zurich Classic
       
       
       
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