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...a more durable finish!

 

The lie angle balanced tech is pretty cool and obviously it's causing a lot of players to consider carrying putters they might have laughed at ten years ago. It works for a lot of people and that's great. 

 

The finish on them seems very fragile. It's hard to find a used one that doesn't have chips and nicks around the edges and most of the ones I've seen in golf shops are already starting to show "shop wear." 

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insert technology would be my request. Think of a LAB putter with a SIK or EVNROLL face or even a white hot insert.

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They need a Double Wide or Squareback Link. 

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5 minutes ago, St Jimmy said:

They need a Double Wide or Squareback Link. 

I think this is where they are going next - I think the Link was a pretty big departure for them, and could open up a pretty big market for them.  That and colored Links...

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1 hour ago, me05501 said:

...a more durable finish!

 

The lie angle balanced tech is pretty cool and obviously it's causing a lot of players to consider carrying putters they might have laughed at ten years ago. It works for a lot of people and that's great. 

 

The finish on them seems very fragile. It's hard to find a used one that doesn't have chips and nicks around the edges and most of the ones I've seen in golf shops are already starting to show "shop wear." 

If Taylormade can't figure it out, pretty sure LAB won't

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??? Finish is totally fine unless you abuse it. If you use the cover it is perfect. 

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How about a marketing campaign that doesn't rely on smoke and mirrors, like the 'revealer' carnival trick....

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ability to have loft adjusted 5 for standard length and 3 for CB's is too much for this dude.

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6 hours ago, me05501 said:

...a more durable finish!

 

The lie angle balanced tech is pretty cool and obviously it's causing a lot of players to consider carrying putters they might have laughed at ten years ago. It works for a lot of people and that's great. 

 

The finish on them seems very fragile. It's hard to find a used one that doesn't have chips and nicks around the edges and most of the ones I've seen in golf shops are already starting to show "shop wear." 

Because people who trade in clubs probably aren't enthusiasts like we are here. They might not use the head cover while the club sits in the bag during the round and so on. I've had 3 LAB putters (been using Mezz since December) and mine stayed flawless.

 

I think the next innovation is making a super stable putter like DF or Mezz, but in a package that looks something like a Spider or #7.

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One other thing is a collab with Seemore and the rifle scope alignment. 

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16 hours ago, JamesFisher1990 said:

Because people who trade in clubs probably aren't enthusiasts like we are here. They might not use the head cover while the club sits in the bag during the round and so on. I've had 3 LAB putters (been using Mezz since December) and mine stayed flawless.

 

I think the next innovation is making a super stable putter like DF or Mezz, but in a package that looks something like a Spider or #7.

 

 

Hopefully most people will take pretty good care of a $500-600 putter, but I've seen a lot of little edge nicks and such on putters that haven't even been sold yet. 

 

IMO if one of your differentiators is using eye-catching candy colors you should try to make those finishes as durable as possible. 

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21 hours ago, ChrisATL said:

I think this is where they are going next - I think the Link was a pretty big departure for them, and could open up a pretty big market for them.  That and colored Links...

I’d buy one today. 

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17 hours ago, StoutKing said:

Something with more solid feel perhaps.  My DF3 doesn't have a great feel with the aluminum head.  Perhaps that is partially due to the stock steel.  I haven't tried any other shafts.

DF3 with TPT feels REALLY nice

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1 hour ago, joostin said:

Here's a new CAD design of a wide body blade!  GolfWRXers asked and they shall receive.  Going for a clean simple concept.  @labgolf : Design collab???  Dibs on a prototype, and on behalf of the group, a request for a WRX exclusive promo code / early access 😁

 

- "Zero torque" CG inline with shaft axis

- 303 stainless steel body with customized 6061 aluminum precision mounted hosel block

- Weight adjustment screws, positioned symmetrically with the CG

- 350g, stock

- 69° lie, stock 

- 3° loft

- Face grooves

- Slight shaft lean has the top of the shaft vertical with the leading edge

- Heel-toe sole camber with rear relief

- Optional alignment marks and ball scoop notch

 

Fat Sword Logo = Wide Blade:

jsig_wide_concept_face-sole.PNG.c0ceb017376aa4334eeb0aae73e60eee.PNG

Tuxedo color blocks:

jsig_wide_concept_top_c.PNG.0718461bc1d6877ef00b845fcdd2620a.PNG

WRX + LAB = <3:

jsig_wide_concept_heel_b.PNG.e5f1d5a4df8a470958f558447cc433db.PNG

CG position:

jsig_wide_concept_cg.PNG.394055cf735f9f80d14f85cc2779ff2e.PNG

 

jsig_wide_concept_insert.PNG.0d89dc81153c2a468833c6ac97a5509f.PNG

 

jsig_wide_concept_toe.PNG.5e6ea432f6410631a9bcc9fa15ddf543.PNG

 

jsig_wide_concept_top_b.PNG.ae60cf19513b3545d6e9b798a6af9343.PNG

Not the best putter for it, but should be able to scoop:

jsig_wide_concept_ball.PNG.b3455dda289aec1b8358735554beb583.PNG

 

Aluminum is used for the hosel block to keep mass down, as you want the heavier steel mass away from the CG to increase MOI (though these squat wide blades are not really high MOI designs to begin with because of compactness).

 

The steel body is symmetric, so they can use the same body for RH and LH hosel blocks.

 

I'd rather go all aluminum with the body because of anodizing color custom options, but wouldn't be able to keep the size down without it being a more complicated multi material design (like an aluminum shell with lots of tungsten weights).  So sticking with a milled steel body. 

 

I have read through the LAB patent, which is NOT a fun read lol, and it seems the CG is not directly inline with the shaft axis, but it's close and more like slightly below (there was some terminology I was unsure about).  My DF3 indicates that with a toe up biased hang.  But whatever... I'm putting the CG directly on the shaft axis because that makes the most simple engineering sense for "zero torque" around that axis.

 

IMO future LAB designs (and other companies) can incorporate more complex multi-material builds to move discretionary weight for high MOI and manipulation of CG position.  LAB's aluminum heads with heavy weights are already good for this.  They can get into VFT/AI inserts and variable spaced grooves like others to help even out ball speeds across the face.  And you know, employ some ideas from me 😆.

 

You guys buying one?

 

I'd definitely consider something that looks like that.

 

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2 hours ago, joostin said:

Here's a new CAD design of a wide body blade!  GolfWRXers asked and they shall receive.  Going for a clean simple concept.  @labgolf : Design collab???  Dibs on a prototype, and on behalf of the group, a request for a WRX exclusive promo code / early access 😁

 

- "Zero torque" CG inline with shaft axis

- 303 stainless steel body with customized 6061 aluminum precision mounted hosel block

- Weight adjustment screws, positioned symmetrically with the CG

- 350g, stock

- 69° lie, stock 

- 3° loft

- Face grooves

- Slight shaft lean has the top of the shaft vertical with the leading edge

- Heel-toe sole camber with rear relief

- Optional alignment marks and ball scoop notch

 

Fat Sword Logo = Wide Blade:

jsig_wide_concept_face-sole.PNG.c0ceb017376aa4334eeb0aae73e60eee.PNG

Tuxedo color blocks:

jsig_wide_concept_top_c.PNG.0718461bc1d6877ef00b845fcdd2620a.PNG

WRX + LAB = <3:

jsig_wide_concept_heel_b.PNG.e5f1d5a4df8a470958f558447cc433db.PNG

CG position:

jsig_wide_concept_cg.PNG.394055cf735f9f80d14f85cc2779ff2e.PNG

 

jsig_wide_concept_insert.PNG.0d89dc81153c2a468833c6ac97a5509f.PNG

 

jsig_wide_concept_toe.PNG.5e6ea432f6410631a9bcc9fa15ddf543.PNG

 

jsig_wide_concept_top_b.PNG.ae60cf19513b3545d6e9b798a6af9343.PNG

Not the best putter for it, but should be able to scoop:

jsig_wide_concept_ball.PNG.b3455dda289aec1b8358735554beb583.PNG

 

Aluminum is used for the hosel block to keep mass down, as you want the heavier steel mass away from the CG to increase MOI (though these squat wide blades are not really high MOI designs to begin with because of compactness).

 

The steel body is symmetric, so they can use the same body for RH and LH hosel blocks.

 

I'd rather go all aluminum with the body because of anodizing color custom options, but wouldn't be able to keep the size down without it being a more complicated multi material design (like an aluminum shell with lots of tungsten weights).  So sticking with a milled steel body. 

 

I have read through the LAB patent, which is NOT a fun read lol, and it seems the CG is not directly inline with the shaft axis, but it's close and more like slightly below (there was some terminology I was unsure about).  My DF3 indicates that with a toe up biased hang.  But whatever... I'm putting the CG directly on the shaft axis because that makes the most simple engineering sense for "zero torque" around that axis.

 

IMO future LAB designs (and other companies) can incorporate more complex multi-material builds to move discretionary weight for high MOI and manipulation of CG position.  LAB's aluminum heads with heavy weights are already good for this.  They can get into VFT/AI inserts and variable spaced grooves like others to help even out ball speeds across the face.  And you know, employ some ideas from me 😆.

 

You guys buying one?

 

Amazes me that you designed this in a few days and Lab hasn't made a putter this nice yet....

 

The black on black prototype is really nice though.

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On 5/29/2024 at 6:14 PM, Peninsulagolfer said:

How about a marketing campaign that doesn't rely on smoke and mirrors, like the 'revealer' carnival trick....

Oh man! I can feel the daggers being shot ur way from here!! 🤣

 

 

*id say something not center shafted bcs I hate the look. But obviously not happening so… 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

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5 hours ago, 5hort5tuff said:

 

Amazes me that you designed this in a few days and Lab hasn't made a putter this nice yet....

 

The black on black prototype is really nice though.

 

It's just a design, who says LAB doesn't have multiple design it all depends if it works in the real world. 

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6 hours ago, 5hort5tuff said:

 

Amazes me that you designed this in a few days and Lab hasn't made a putter this nice yet....

 

The black on black prototype is really nice though.

Most of what it takes to actually engineer and mass produce and then sell something has very little to do with the initial design on the PC. That's not to take away from good ol Joostin's work, but that is far from "complete".

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3 hours ago, MattM97 said:

 

It's just a design, who says LAB doesn't have multiple design it all depends if it works in the real world. 

 

Let's see those designs then!

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1 minute ago, 5hort5tuff said:

 

Let's see those designs then!

 

Buried with the thousands of designs all OEMs have. Some thing ain't meant to see the light of day. 

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Yeah I understand if a more common looking design doesn't fit their brand.  They definitely made their mark with more funky designs (even the Link qualifies I guess with the hosel and top screws) that differentiate them from the crowd of Anser types.  We'll see.

 

3 hours ago, JamesFisher1990 said:

Most of what it takes to actually engineer and mass produce and then sell something has very little to do with the initial design on the PC. That's not to take away from good ol Joostin's work, but that is far from "complete".

That's certainly true esp. if it's coming from a designer that's more high level and not in the weeds of tooling and manufacturing.  And there can definitely be several iterations of designs and prototypes before getting into production tooling and manufacturing.  Depends what the company is trying to accomplish and if the product makes business sense. 

 

That said, as someone in tooling engineering and manufacturing (different field), what's shown is something that can definitely be CNC programmed and machined as a prototype if taken to a machine shop.  If LAB has no interest, I might even just have it done personally as I've been meaning to have a design made for real.  Maybe around the holidays or next tax return season.. Zero need for another putter right now 😄

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