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Hoping you all can help me understand something.  Bryson hits it really far.  (Here are his yardages––which, though a few years old, is accurate enough for this discussion). 

 

So, he hits his 8 iron 210 yards.  The tour average for a 8 iron is 164 yards.  The tour average distance from the pin on approaches from 150-175 yards is 29 feet.  So, do you think that means when Bryson grabs a 8 iron from 210 yards, that he's hitting his 8 iron as accurate as other players hit their 8 irons, even though he's doing it from 45 yards further out?   Or do you think he's hitting this 210 yard shot as accurate as other players are from 210 yards––which is about 43 feet from the pin––even though he's doing it with an 8 iron and they're doing it with (on average) a 4 iron

 

 

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The proximity stats are based on yardage, not clubs or loft.
 

I would suspect he hits his 210 yard club around the same proximity to the hole as others do with their 210 club.  It doesn’t matter if Bryson hits an 8 iron 210, Rory hits a 6 iron 210, or Scottie scheffler hits his 5 iron 210.

 

each one of those players are unique, so they may hit it closer or farther than tour average, but none are hitting  it as close from 210 as the do from 150-170.
 

 

 

 

 

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It's easiest to think of dispersion in percentages. If you have 10% dispersion you're a damned good golfer (within 30ft from 100 yards, and keeping it inside of a 60 yard window from 300). If you're within 5%, you're better than Scotty Scheffler.

 

The numbers on  irons are imaginary number. Bryson's "8 iron" is 30 degrees, and the length of a 7 iron.

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9 minutes ago, AZBRONCFAN said:

When you say this iron goes this far, it isn't much help without the loft. Bryson has said so himself that the numbers are just a way to label his clubs. All his irons are 6 iron length too.

37.5". Which is a 6i for standard. Prob 7i or even 8i for someone of his height.

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43 minutes ago, MagnoliaGolfer said:

So, I guess my question would be better phrased as this: I wonder if their dispersion is the same from 210 yards out, regardless of what club they're each hitting. 

For the US open, Bryson was great from 200-225

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For the PGA. Bryson was 6th. 

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In Bryson's last year on tour 2020-2021, he was 8th in proximity to the hole from 200-225

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4 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

The proximity stats are based on yardage, not clubs or loft.
 

I would suspect he hits his 210 yard club around the same proximity to the hole as others do with their 210 club.

 

4 hours ago, MagnoliaGolfer said:

That makes sense, Pwnpingi210.  

 

I did just find this on his lofts.  His 8 iron is 30º.  

 

4 hours ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

It's easiest to think of dispersion in percentages. If you have 10% dispersion you're a damned good golfer (within 30ft from 100 yards, and keeping it inside of a 60 yard window from 300). If you're within 5%, you're better than Scotty Scheffler.

 

The numbers on  irons are imaginary number. Bryson's "8 iron" is 30 degrees, and the length of a 7 iron.

 

4 hours ago, MagnoliaGolfer said:

So, I guess my question would be better phrased as this: I wonder if their dispersion is the same from 210 yards out, regardless of what club they're each hitting. 

 

3 hours ago, Archimedes65 said:

His iron numbers are meaningless.  His lofts are much stronger.


Agreed with the above, and to answer your question @MagnoliaGolfer, yes because of what @Fairways_and_Greens said. There is nothing inherently more "accurate" about any given club if it's being hit the same yardage, because it's the launch conditions that contain the potential for dispersion, not the club producing them. Maybe a minor exception when someone is hitting an iron *instead* of a wood, but even Brian Harman's stats from 200y-275y aren't much different than Bryson's, and they're about as opposite as two high level players could be. 

And if we normalize for loft and compare two people that hit the same 8i 150y vs. 180y then the speed it takes to hit that 180y is where potential volatility comes from, otherwise someone like Wyndham Clark should be leading the proximity stats, and he's barely inside the top 100. At the tour level there is a consideration to be made for spin and the ability that higher speed players have to generate it and thus hold greens or attack pins that others couldn't, but that's not enough to impact proximity average across large data set and is more of a weapon to have in certain scenarios; see Rory's ability to hit a 4-iron 130ft in the air from 240y+ to land soft on a Par 5. 

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The other thing is to not take the stats from a players shots the week they are winning an event.  They are winning for a reason.  That week they are on and they are doing things better that week than they normally do.   Players get on hot streaks.  For them it can last weeks or months.  For us it's one round or less.  

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On the one hand, yes he plays longer XX stiff shafts with jacked lofts and upright lies and huge grips. He also has a somewhat unique one-plane swing that impacts his setup. If any of his peers tried to swing his 8 iron they'd really have to modify their technique to see anywhere close to the same results. 

 

On the flip side it's clear that he generates enough speed to make his ball behave mostly the way you'd expect based on the number on the club. His 8 iron launches very high and stops on the green pretty quickly. It just covers a lot more yardage in the air. 

 

It's a bit different from the "loft inflation" we've seen across iron sets over the last many years. TaylorMade may stamp a 7 on a club with the same specs a 5 iron had in 1990, but when we mortals swing that club we get mostly 5-iron style results. When BDC swings his 7 iron it flies like my 7 iron except much farther. 

 

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The numbers printed on the iron are completely meaningless. 

 

Because of Bryson's inherent speed AND his longer shafts on his shorter clubs (7i and shorter), Bryson can launch the ball lower (use lower lofts) and still achieve the same peak height/descent angle/spin rate as other hitters with higher lofts. 

 

If you give Collin Morikawa or Scottie an 8 iron from 175 out and Bryson an 8 iron from 210 out, Collin/Scottie will kick Bryson's a**. 

 

However, if you give Collin/Scottie a 6 iron from 210 vs Bryson's "8" iron from 210 out, it's close. Bryson is a top 5-10 player in the world from >200 yards (e.g. he did lead the tour in proximity to hole from >200 in his last full season on tour). There is no doubt about that. 

 

He's the best driver of the ball in the world, elite (top 5 or 10) from >175, elite (probably top 25) putter. He's always been a little so-so inside 150 yards and around the greens, with flashes of brilliance. 

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, MagnoliaGolfer said:

Hoping you all can help me understand something.  Bryson hits it really far.  (Here are his yardages––which, though a few years old, is accurate enough for this discussion). 

 

So, he hits his 8 iron 210 yards.  The tour average for a 8 iron is 164 yards.  The tour average distance from the pin on approaches from 150-175 yards is 29 feet.  So, do you think that means when Bryson grabs a 8 iron from 210 yards, that he's hitting his 8 iron as accurate as other players hit their 8 irons, even though he's doing it from 45 yards further out?   Or do you think he's hitting this 210 yard shot as accurate as other players are from 210 yards––which is about 43 feet from the pin––even though he's doing it with an 8 iron and they're doing it with (on average) a 4 iron

 

 

Bryson doesn't have an 8 iron, but an 8 ball

 

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On 6/17/2024 at 7:52 PM, Pnwpingi210 said:

The proximity stats are based on yardage, not clubs or loft.
 

I would suspect he hits his 210 yard club around the same proximity to the hole as others do with their 210 club.  It doesn’t matter if Bryson hits an 8 iron 210, Rory hits a 6 iron 210, or Scottie scheffler hits his 5 iron 210.

 

each one of those players are unique, so they may hit it closer or farther than tour average, but none are hitting  it as close from 210 as the do from 150-170.
 

 

 

 

 

Bryson has had a tendency of late to hit his 210-220 yard shots much closer than the norm when it really really matters - ie final rounds of majors lol.

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