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When I make a bad swing, its usually because I have rushed my transition and not given my self enough time at the top. I am looking for a training aid to help me with this. I am thinking Orange Whip or Lag Shot. Anyone have any experience with these and could share some insight? Is there another option I am not thinking of?

 

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2 hours ago, otto6457 said:

Tour Tempo app?

+1 this. I will also pair it with a Dewiz and do the tempo training there along with the beats

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3 hours ago, otto6457 said:

Tour Tempo app?

Most people find out using the TT app that speeding their tempo up gives them more time, but most try and go slow and wreck their swings.  
 

Slow smooth tempo prevails.

 

I get about 2-3 people a week I recommend the TT app to.

 

The lesson goes like this.  They tell me they get too quick with their tempo when I ask about what’s going on and what are their issues.

 

They make what I call a sundial backswing, have a poorly sequenced transition and swing a 7 iron at 73 mph with path and face all over the place.

 

They hit an awful shot and say, “See, I got super quick on that one.”

 

When I tell them their backswing is too slow they look at me like I’m speaking an obscure Slavic language.  I show them their swing side by side with Els, Morikawa, or some other player they like with a slow smooth tempo.  They see they are at left arm parallel in the backswing when their choice of Mr.Smooth is in his finish.

 

I say whip back as face as you can and hit the ball.  Result is club speed over 80, path starts to neutralize and be more consistent and face starts to match up to path.  They stripe 5 or 6 in a row, then mess one up.

 

”This feels really weird and rushed and I’m too fast to begin with, I can’t play golf this way.”

 

I point out the higher club speed, better path and face results and a side by side with said slow tempo tour pro and they are perfectly matched up.

 

Then………

 

 

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1 hour ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Most people find out using the TT app that speeding their tempo up gives them more time, but most try and go slow and wreck their swings.  
 

Slow smooth tempo prevails.

 

I get about 2-3 people a week I recommend the TT app to.

 

The lesson goes like this.  They tell me they get too quick with their tempo when I ask about what’s going on and what are their issues.

 

They make what I call a sundial backswing, have a poorly sequenced transition and swing a 7 iron at 73 mph with path and face all over the place.

 

They hit an awful shot and say, “See, I got super quick on that one.”

 

When I tell them their backswing is too slow they look at me like I’m speaking an obscure Slavic language.  I show them their swing side by side with Els, Morikawa, or some other player they like with a slow smooth tempo.  They see they are at left arm parallel in the backswing when their choice of Mr.Smooth is in his finish.

 

I say whip back as face as you can and hit the ball.  Result is club speed over 80, path starts to neutralize and be more consistent and face starts to match up to path.  They stripe 5 or 6 in a row, then mess one up.

 

”This feels really weird and rushed and I’m too fast to begin with, I can’t play golf this way.”

 

I point out the higher club speed, better path and face results and a side by side with said slow tempo tour pro and they are perfectly matched up.

 

Then………

 

 

 

I have played with the TT app. I am consistently 19/8 

If 3 to 1 is the goal, which tempo should I try starting with? 24/8? 

 

 

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1 hour ago, mizunoMP14 said:

 

I have played with the TT app. I am consistently 19/8 

If 3 to 1 is the goal, which tempo should I try starting with? 24/8? 

 

 

Yes, that’s what I’d do. 

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11 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Most people find out using the TT app that speeding their tempo up gives them more time, but most try and go slow and wreck their swings.  
 

Slow smooth tempo prevails.

 

I get about 2-3 people a week I recommend the TT app to.

 

The lesson goes like this.  They tell me they get too quick with their tempo when I ask about what’s going on and what are their issues.

 

They make what I call a sundial backswing, have a poorly sequenced transition and swing a 7 iron at 73 mph with path and face all over the place.

 

They hit an awful shot and say, “See, I got super quick on that one.”

 

When I tell them their backswing is too slow they look at me like I’m speaking an obscure Slavic language.  I show them their swing side by side with Els, Morikawa, or some other player they like with a slow smooth tempo.  They see they are at left arm parallel in the backswing when their choice of Mr.Smooth is in his finish.

 

I say whip back as face as you can and hit the ball.  Result is club speed over 80, path starts to neutralize and be more consistent and face starts to match up to path.  They stripe 5 or 6 in a row, then mess one up.

 

”This feels really weird and rushed and I’m too fast to begin with, I can’t play golf this way.”

 

I point out the higher club speed, better path and face results and a side by side with said slow tempo tour pro and they are perfectly matched up.

 

Then………

 

 

IMG_2320.gif

I think players problems is they think once they are at the top they have to swing fast. I can see where people “say” getting to quick and misinterpret it. For me too fast I know is when I rush transition and you are right, bringing it back faster helps give more time so you don’t have to rush it. Something that needs to be trained and linked up in the brain. Thanks for sharing. 

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12 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Most people find out using the TT app that speeding their tempo up gives them more time, but most try and go slow and wreck their swings.  
 

Slow smooth tempo prevails.

 

I get about 2-3 people a week I recommend the TT app to.

 

The lesson goes like this.  They tell me they get too quick with their tempo when I ask about what’s going on and what are their issues.

 

They make what I call a sundial backswing, have a poorly sequenced transition and swing a 7 iron at 73 mph with path and face all over the place.

 

They hit an awful shot and say, “See, I got super quick on that one.”

 

When I tell them their backswing is too slow they look at me like I’m speaking an obscure Slavic language.  I show them their swing side by side with Els, Morikawa, or some other player they like with a slow smooth tempo.  They see they are at left arm parallel in the backswing when their choice of Mr.Smooth is in his finish.

 

I say whip back as face as you can and hit the ball.  Result is club speed over 80, path starts to neutralize and be more consistent and face starts to match up to path.  They stripe 5 or 6 in a row, then mess one up.

 

”This feels really weird and rushed and I’m too fast to begin with, I can’t play golf this way.”

 

I point out the higher club speed, better path and face results and a side by side with said slow tempo tour pro and they are perfectly matched up.

 

Then………

 

 

IMG_2320.gif

I reckon you could have a pretty good stab at guessing every player's index on a range with your eyes closed based solely on the time it takes them to go from takeaway to finish. Might be a good party trick (at very boring parties!).

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3 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

I reckon you could have a pretty good stab at guessing every player's index on a range with your eyes closed based solely on the time it takes them to go from takeaway to finish. Might be a good party trick (at very boring parties!).

And then Monte will be telling me my swing is no bueno w/o even looking at it the next time I see him at a clinic... Talk about an uplifting thought 🙃

 

On a serious note, where does working on tempo/rhythm fall in the greater scheme of trying to improve ones swing? I know Monte has said that speed training is after you have clubface control, so i curious about where this falls in the matrix.

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Thinking about smooth acceleration seems to trick my brain and improve my sequencing.

 

If you've ever driven a really overpowered vehicle you know that flooring the gas pedal will make the car spin out. To achieve a fast launch you have to ease into the throttle and let the tires hook up before you mash it. 

 

I think that's a pretty good analogy for feeling a well-sequenced swing.

 

Think about gradually adding speed from the top and reaching max speed somewhere beyond contact.  

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18 hours ago, bortass said:

And then Monte will be telling me my swing is no bueno w/o even looking at it the next time I see him at a clinic... Talk about an uplifting thought 🙃

 

On a serious note, where does working on tempo/rhythm fall in the greater scheme of trying to improve ones swing? I know Monte has said that speed training is after you have clubface control, so i curious about where this falls in the matrix.

I’ll be honest, I don’t know. I’ve never worked on it - it just seems to follow good mechanics. 

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