Pure745's WITB

[Yzmerf]

Arthritis sucks huh? I went to $Taper 120 in MMC’s and then threw  Pro softs  and midsize grips on for good measure. I tried the MMT graphite but it really didnt feel any better than steel with the Prosofts. I’m seriously tempted on trying the MIM Cobras though. I hit a few 7 irons last week and although feel is completely subjective i dont know how anyone could say they are not rieally soft. From the top they look very traditional just a bit bigger. Also very little offset which is very intriguing. Glad to see you back on here. Ive also kind of given up on a 4 iron. I’m not to proud to say i like being able to stop a 22 degree hybrid from 225.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Yzmerf

[djhgolf]

38 minutes ago, Pure745 said:

 

Tell me more about 0311T 5-PW and 0311P in the 4 iron.  They look amazing - and heard they are insanely forgiving.  The wedges look pretty good too - was thinking of going raw SM8, but feel like I'm checked in right when a bunch of new things are about to hit the market lol

IMO – 

 

Gen3’s are the perfect mix of the 3 gen’s so far – with Gen1 being 2 soft and Gen2 being quite firm. The Gen1 also was more prone to those shots which flew out of nowhere 15 yards over the green. I believe the insert in more refined then ever, also the T-model in the 3rd gen is slightly smaller in a good way over the G2’s. On Blade length and top line. Plus the attention to detail with the small milling.

The sets blend well with the wedges.. Milled wedges are amazing, great classic shape, phenominal feel, down to 54/56 although I like another brand with more grind options for a 60deg.

I haven’t played the P-Model only the driving irons X-series Gen2, they are so easy to play (only the sole is maybe a hair too wide)  although they compliment a 5-9 or Pw build in the T’s, however I’m going to game a set of the ST’s soon as I can’t stop looking at them lol.

 

Should try Gen 3 T’s or ST’s

P or X in the long irons

Sugar Daddy wedges 46,50,54

Raw SM8 in your preferred grind

 

job done 👍🏽

[Pure745]

10 hours ago, djhgolf said:

IMO – 

 

Gen3’s are the perfect mix of the 3 gen’s so far – with Gen1 being 2 soft and Gen2 being quite firm. The Gen1 also was more prone to those shots which flew out of nowhere 15 yards over the green. I believe the insert in more refined then ever, also the T-model in the 3rd gen is slightly smaller in a good way over the G2’s. On Blade length and top line. Plus the attention to detail with the small milling.

The sets blend well with the wedges.. Milled wedges are amazing, great classic shape, phenominal feel, down to 54/56 although I like another brand with more grind options for a 60deg.

I haven’t played the P-Model only the driving irons X-series Gen2, they are so easy to play (only the sole is maybe a hair too wide)  although they compliment a 5-9 or Pw build in the T’s, however I’m going to game a set of the ST’s soon as I can’t stop looking at them lol.

 

Should try Gen 3 T’s or ST’s

P or X in the long irons

Sugar Daddy wedges 46,50,54

Raw SM8 in your preferred grind

 

job done 👍🏽

 This is very compelling 🤣🍻  Would you say the 0311T is like an AP2? Or CB?

[djhgolf]

8 hours ago, Pure745 said:

 This is very compelling 🤣🍻  Would you say the 0311T is like an AP2? Or CB?

It was 😉

would say the T’s are in between 718 CB and AP2’s. Gen 3 is a slimmer looking profile then GEN2.

[Logan159]

If interested in sticking with Miura, I play a combo set of the Miura TC-201 4-6i and MB-101 7i-PW. The TC has very minimal offset but forgiving enough, and blend perfectly with the MBs. Also, lofts match up almost perfectly, only had to bend the TCs 1 weak and have perfect gaps. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Logan159

[Pure745]

Decided to get fit.  Going with the tried and true, Cool Clubs.  I figured I was getting up too high in cost for an experiment or another game of equipment whack-a-mole 🙂  Will be fit for irons next week, then woods when the new clubs come out.

 

Truly have no idea what I will get fit into.. will keep you all posted.

[djhgolf]

4 hours ago, Pure745 said:

Decided to get fit.  Going with the tried and true, Cool Clubs.  I figured I was getting up too high in cost for an experiment or another game of equipment whack-a-mole 🙂  Will be fit for irons next week, then woods when the new clubs come out.

 

Truly have no idea what I will get fit into.. will keep you all posted.

👍🏽

[MtlJeff]

Might i suggest to you a nice set of Ping G410 irons? I suspect you would love them

 

 

 

Edited January 2, 2021 by MtlJeff

[Jwin323]

On 1/1/2021 at 4:49 PM, Pure745 said:

Decided to get fit.  Going with the tried and true, Cool Clubs.  I figured I was getting up too high in cost for an experiment or another game of equipment whack-a-mole 🙂  Will be fit for irons next week, then woods when the new clubs come out.

 

Truly have no idea what I will get fit into.. will keep you all posted.

Fitting with Josiah or Chris?

[Pure745]

54 minutes ago, Jwin323 said:

Fitting with Josiah or Chris?

 

Chris this time for irons.. Josiah will be out till late January - he will fit me for the woods when they get the new TM/Cally stuff.  All of my previous fittings have been with Josiah.

[Circaflex]

On 1/1/2021 at 4:49 PM, Pure745 said:

Decided to get fit.  Going with the tried and true, Cool Clubs.  I figured I was getting up too high in cost for an experiment or another game of equipment whack-a-mole 🙂  Will be fit for irons next week, then woods when the new clubs come out.

 

Truly have no idea what I will get fit into.. will keep you all posted.

I saw josiah a few months back; hes still doing an outstanding job

[Salliesboy13]

This thread always makes me forget that p*rnhub exists! Beautiful setup as always.

[Jwin323]

10 hours ago, Pure745 said:

 

Chris this time for irons.. Josiah will be out till late January - he will fit me for the woods when they get the new TM/Cally stuff.  All of my previous fittings have been with Josiah.

I’ve had all mine with Josiah. Chris is a great fitter for the guys that have high speed. He hits the $h!t out of the ball. Josiah is just an absolute clinic on shafts.

[Pure745]

A little nostalgia.. here we go again for 2021  

 

 

 

 

[J13]

Nothing better than a good fitting.  They fit for ball as well with irons?

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

No Honmas in the mix?

[MPAndreassi]

T100/T100S are so good between looks and the amount of forgiveness they provide. 

[DNice26]

1 minute ago, MPAndreassi said:

T100/T100S are so good between looks and the amount of forgiveness they provide. 

Feel is kinda meh though... I know, I ha e and played the T100S all of 2020.

[Pure745]

Okay - gonna strike while the iron is hot and all of this is fresh in my mind. Old school WRX level of detail.. here we go  🙂

 

Conditions were great, grass was pure, and using new range balls (not premium). About a constant 10 mph wind in and off the right. I'm not sure if the Trackman information is normalized, I think it is.

 

Heads - see picture above.

• Did not try the Srixons, have the option to in 1 week, Honma not tested

Shafts - MMT 125x and SF 110x. I want to stay graphite but if we weren't getting the result we wanted, we were going to look into lighter steel.

 

On to the data....   

 

My current set, Miura 501 with X100 - like I mentioned earlier, I've just started playing enough to notice trends in misses and that 6iron and up, could use some help in forgiveness and turf interaction. Also, my misses really jar my elbow and basically can ruin my round with annoying pain (golfer's elbow). Once I feel it come on, my swing is tentative, and basically scared to fully release the club.. kind of a snowball effect. When I'm hitting the ball well, these are about as good as it gets. Especially the low irons, you can make the ball do whatever you want on a good ballstriking day. On a bad day, we'll use an example relevant to my trackman data - say my 6 iron goes 195 in the air when hit well, if you look at the graph and my misses and distances sacrificed on thin/offcenter.. that is the different between a birdie putt and dropping hitting 4. This scenario pretty much sums up my scores.. slightly under par to 84 - not a fun way to golf.

 

Miura Data:

 

There is a 10 yard (or more) difference from hitting the middle to slightly off.. out of this grouping, I hit 2 perfectly.. one was a slight pull hook (way off target) which skewed these numbers.. you will see later when I show the doppler comparison to the winner.

<Typing Intermission>  🥶

 

There were TWO clear favorites here which I will show the charts below and those were the PXG 0311T and the Titleist T100. The shaft was also a shocker.. the SF110X was WAAAAAAY better than the MMT for me. I'm not sure if it was the weight or what but the first shot I hit with the SF was flushed and it never stopped.

 

I don't say this lightly - but the PXG and T100 with SF110 are game changing for me. This was one of the most "wow" fitting sessions I have had, and I have had a lot. I'll get my thoughts on the "others" before focusing on the final 2 below.

 

Callaway CB: Really nice, feels great, performance was decent, but just not close to the other two. Callaway irons for me have been underwhelming since the original XForged. Overall, solid iron, wouldn't game it.

Titleist CB: beautiful club, performs well, overall would game in a second, but compared to the T100 and PXG, unnecessarily hard to hit compared and not sure much easier than the 501, maybe just a bit.

TM MC definitely the prettiest looking in the bag (aside from Miura), the way the offset/neck/topline transition looks really weird to my eye. They did not feel that good at all - compared to the PXG which felt like hitting a marshmallow, these were not that great at all, if you handed me a set not in a fitting, would love these.. side by side.. meh.. If I was a TM guy, I'd rock these.

Mizuno decent, nothing crazy.

 

On to the final two - PXG 0311T and Titleist T100

Dispersion chart - note the variation of right/left and also distance with each club grouping compared to each other. Look at the top left balls with the Miura compared to short right.. that is exactly what needs to be minimized for my game and scoring:

Titleist:

PXG:

 

Winner? PXG 0311T GEN3

So leaving the fitting, the T100 and PXG were SO close to each other that it came down to a few smaller things that add up. My reviews have always taken data + the sum of all smaller details that = the overall performance and enjoyment of what I'm using. I have caught flack for that in the past, but that's how I pick clubs - the Trackman can't find everything and I'm a FIRM believer of outdoor Trackman fittings. They leave very little room for variation from what you see in a fitting vs. on course. This has been proven to me over a long period of time and Cool Clubs has been very consistent for me.

 

I just saw the data up close and it looks like the T100 is actually better on Trackman. However, the one thing I didn't like was the random nuked ball with 501's and the T100 did it a few times. I'm not complaining about more distance, but if you look at the PXG, it was solid the entire time, even my bad shots got improvement when my "nuked" shots were predictable. So that was one factor..

 

The second factor was that the PXG's feel like you are hitting marshmallows.. nothing else to say, they feel insanely good with the SF.  The T100's feel "good", the PXG's feel amazing.  They are both such good irons setup with that SF shaft for me - that I can't say much else other than how much I liked both.

 

I'm pretty excited about this.. not kidding when I say I haven't hit this many pure shots in a row (PXG and Titleist) in a really long time and to get through this fitting pain free was major.

 

MMT vs. SF - forgot to touch on this more. I tried them in the PXG and Titleist and quickly moved on from them and kept with the SF. The MMT feels like a graphite shaft.. inconsistent load, just felt weird. Keep in mind I'm a lifetime X100 player, the SF was an EASY transition. Felt more like a steel shaft in the way it loaded but without the vibrations.

 

I haven't finalized my order, but looking like PXG 0311T Gen3 4-P, PXG forged 50 and 55, SM8 Raw 60 (whichever grind is closest the the V) - was toying with adding the 0311P in the 4 iron.. but not sure yet.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Pure745

[bcflyguy1]

A fun read as always, bubba, cheers!

[ryan84]

I agree with you on the 'nuke' shot, PXG data looks much better to me in that regard. Were those 6 irons? If so, were there any concerns/discussions about 7k spin with a 6 iron? It's not outrageous but does seem a touch higher than normal.

[J13]

1 hour ago, ryan84 said:

I agree with you on the 'nuke' shot, PXG data looks much better to me in that regard. Were those 6 irons? If so, were there any concerns/discussions about 7k spin with a 6 iron? It's not outrageous but does seem a touch higher than normal.

 

Pure tends to flip at impact hence the spin 😉

 

 

Love the review and PXG's always feel great to me.  It's nice to see somebody doing testing while us cold weather folks deal with winter 😕  

Edited January 6, 2021 by J13

[Jwin323]

Pure, I agree with you on the outdoor fitting. There are places on that range where you can move to and hit off hardpan or a fluffy lie and see how the club reacts. My first fitting with them 6 years ago, Josiah put me in the SF and I've never looked back. Also agree about the PXGs. I had an iron fitting a year ago and it was the clear winner. just didn't have the means to purchase those. Did get the PXG forged wedges, though. I suspect you will like those.

[Pure745]

5 hours ago, ryan84 said:

I agree with you on the 'nuke' shot, PXG data looks much better to me in that regard. Were those 6 irons? If so, were there any concerns/discussions about 7k spin with a 6 iron? It's not outrageous but does seem a touch higher than normal.

They were all 6 irons.. hit into a slight hurting cross wind.  They said that a premium ball spins on avg 250-350 less than the range ball numbers shown. 

 

Edit.. also to note, I was hitting a very slight cut most of the time.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Pure745

[bcflyguy1]

6 minutes ago, Pure745 said:

They were all 6 irons.. hit into a slight hurting cross wind.  They said that a premium ball spins on avg 250-350 less than the range ball numbers shown.

The golf course is only going to take spin away, so where the spin was at isn’t cause for concern.

[Pure745]

9 minutes ago, bcflyguy1 said:

The golf course is only going to take spin away, so where the spin was at isn’t cause for concern.

 

You can definitely tell how low/low the iron/shaft combo is with the Miura/X100.  My swing also isn't as repeatable as it was in year's past, so seeing how good this grouping was out of the gate definitely made me happy.  Now to rub two pennies together to see how I'm going to pay for these things 😬

[dmac4g]

Great information as always Tai!  Look forward to seeing where you end up with woods next!

[ryan84]

51 minutes ago, Pure745 said:

They were all 6 irons.. hit into a slight hurting cross wind.  They said that a premium ball spins on avg 250-350 less than the range ball numbers shown. 

 

Edit.. also to note, I was hitting a very slight cut most of the time.

Thanks, that makes sense. Definitely wasn't saying you need to go crazy and drop to 5000 spin, just wasn't sure if there was discussion of strengthening 1 deg. or something along those lines.

[Pure745]

1 minute ago, ryan84 said:

Thanks, that makes sense. Definitely wasn't saying you need to go crazy and drop to 5000 spin, just wasn't sure if there was discussion of strengthening 1 deg. or something along those lines.

 

No, he wasn't really worried about the spin.  It was also good we were hitting into a breeze the whole time, which would have exposed any over spin.  Definitely spin more than the X100's, but loved the results I saw.  Hoping it translates to the course.

 

Will be doing woods in 2 weeks.

[beaney]

1 hour ago, Pure745 said:

 

You can definitely tell how low/low the iron/shaft combo is with the Miura/X100.  My swing also isn't as repeatable as it was in year's past, so seeing how good this grouping was out of the gate definitely made me happy.  Now to rub two pennies together to see how I'm going to pay for these things 😬

Great to see you so happy with what are clearly very good results with the PXG. 
 

As for payment, just tell yourself that they’re a good investment, that you’ll never buy another set, and that it’s been a difficult year with Covid so you deserve a treat! Simples.