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yes the reason it is so small is the scoop, i have seen it and trust me it doesnt have the mass of a 380cc driver like an r510tp type thing. its actually quite large. it also has a ridiculous moi which basically in physics means the energy needed to change the rotation of the club is quite large, basically it resists torquing quite well. so it will be very forgiving on off center hits.

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I thought that it was set on a 520 cc frame, and the had the top cut out, making a 460cc of volume inside the clubhead.

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The physics say yes, because the weight is spread to the edges and the moi is affected by the face size and weighting. The only thing I noticed looking and calculating the physics were high and low hits. This was confirmed when I hit it, although my one high on the face shot was still very acceptable. So along story short yes it is forgiving.

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yes the high and low hits would be quite less forgiving bc the radii in those directions are much smaller than the radi from heel to toe. that is why the face is somewhat shallow yet very long bc the avg. golfer misses heel to toe, especially with the fact that this driver can be teed up lower due to its lower cog.

 

 

basically the moi is I=mr^2. so the radii being less on the top to bottom measurement drastically lowers the vertical moi which means that it takes much less force to make it change directions. so in essence yes this club is forgiving all around, but physically speaking it would be more forgiving if your misses are towards the toe or heel rather than skying or thinning it. but they make up for the lower moi by face thickness etc. going up to down as well as weight positioning. so no worries its forgiving.

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yes the high and low hits would be quite less forgiving bc the radii in those directions are much smaller than the radi from heel to toe. that is why the face is somewhat shallow yet very long bc the avg. golfer misses heel to toe, especially with the fact that this driver can be teed up lower due to its lower cog.

 

 

basically the moi is I=mr^2. so the radii being less on the top to bottom measurement drastically lowers the vertical moi which means that it takes much less force to make it change directions. so in essence yes this club is forgiving all around, but physically speaking it would be more forgiving if your misses are towards the toe or heel rather than skying or thinning it. but they make up for the lower moi by face thickness etc. going up to down as well as weight positioning. so no worries its forgiving.

:tongue: WTF! Think you have golfwrx.com confused with your astrophysicswrx.com site :)

I give you a pass if you work for Cleveland's engineering dept. If not your're spending way too much time thinking about the HiBore ;)

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no im not an engineer at cleveland but i am a physics geek of sorts who is very into physics and the upper level stuff in physics so this wasnt spending too much time this is just the stuff that sits on top of my head. lol, i know its weird and useless info but its everything i learn in ap physics etc. so...oh well im a nerd. lol.

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no im not an engineer at cleveland but i am a physics geek of sorts who is very into physics and the upper level stuff in physics so this wasnt spending too much time this is just the stuff that sits on top of my head. lol, i know its weird and useless info but its everything i learn in ap physics etc. so...oh well im a nerd. lol.

No worries. Just sum razzing cause I wish I knew what you were talking about :) It serves to show we can trut ya when you say it's a forgiving head.

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Yes, the Hi-Bore is very forgiving. I hit one low off the heel and the toe and it still went pretty straight although the distance sucked of course. I found it difficult to shape the ball but straight is pretty good. IMO...I still think my best drives were when I hit slightly higher than center even though Cleveland says that the hot spot and sweet spot is directly center. Excellent driver but not magic...don't expect your off center hits to go the maximum distance.

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The reason you have trouble working the ball is that high MOI. Because its resists the turning of the club face, key in making the ball move in the air, it becomes nearly impossible to make the ball move left or right in small degrees. People don't really discuss what you sacrifice b/c for most golfers its not of any relevance but the higher MOI drivers are about hitting it straight, not working it, which is why I am moving back to a slightly smaller driver. I want to gain my ability to hit small cuts back.

 

 

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Considering that the HiBore is only 380 cc's, do you think it will be as forgiving as the 460 cc drivers out there?

 

Why wouldn't it be the face is just as deep as the vaunted 905R and the Nike SQ. It doesn't have as much area as say a cobra or callaway but if you dance one off the toe how much forgiveness are you looking for. I thought that was the area you hit the ball with. I've found my Hi Bore to be just as forgiving as anything out today. No better no worse. All that extra 80 ccs seems to do is produce a more traditional looking driver. However it also drives the COG higher on the face where the Hi Bore is more centrally located on the face. The 4 inch tee sellers probably won't be as happy.

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Considering that the HiBore is only 380 cc's, do you think it will be as forgiving as the 460 cc drivers out there?

What is a cc? Cubic centimeter. What is a cubic centimeter? A measure of volume.

 

Volume does not equal forgivness - you are asking entirely the wrong question.

 

The HiBore has a comparable face size and MOI to other drivers; who cares if it has less volume?

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Hit my Hi-Bore for the first time at the range today. I was hoping the results were similiar to the launch monitor numbers I recorded Friday night. I was certainly not disappointed !!! This driver is amazing. Very long and unbelievably straight. The Cleveland guys did a great job with my fitting. Just turn and fire. Even my misses would have been in the fairway. Previously I never gave Cleveland clubs much consideration, but my new Hi-Bore and Halo (also built in the Tour van Friday) will definitely be in my bag for a while.

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Absolutely longer - I was hitting the Cally X-460 Tour longer than other drivers and got a minimum of 10 extra yards with the Hi-Bore. This could also be due to the shaft. The Cleveland rep. said my numbers were excellent on the launch monitor and the head/shaft combo really worked for me. My carry increased by 12-15 yards on the simulator compared to the Callaway. I really tried hard to not make a driver change, but the Hi-Bore left me no choice !

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Absolutely longer - I was hitting the Cally X-460 Tour longer than other drivers and got a minimum of 10 extra yards with the Hi-Bore. This could also be due to the shaft. The Cleveland rep. said my numbers were excellent on the launch monitor and the head/shaft combo really worked for me. My carry increased by 12-15 yards on the simulator compared to the Callaway. I really tried hard to not make a driver change, but the Hi-Bore left me no choice !

What's your swingspeed?

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Absolutely longer - I was hitting the Cally X-460 Tour longer than other drivers and got a minimum of 10 extra yards with the Hi-Bore. This could also be due to the shaft. The Cleveland rep. said my numbers were excellent on the launch monitor and the head/shaft combo really worked for me. My carry increased by 12-15 yards on the simulator compared to the Callaway. I really tried hard to not make a driver change, but the Hi-Bore left me no choice !

I presume that you went to a different shaft in the HiBore. What was it that was so successful for you in the HiBore? What was it that was giving you good performance in the Callaway? Have you experimented with other shafts in both of those clubheads?

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