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Switched from 9.5 to 10.5 Head
Over the winter I switched my Comp from a 9.5 head to a 10.5 head, I had the local custom shop keep the swingweight at D2 but they ended up taking a 1/2" off the shaft that I didn't ask for. It is now playing 44.5" and the shaft is a Diamana 63X with added weight in the hosel to get me up to the D2(Without the added weight I was at C8). I hit the Comp 9.5 all last summer with a ProLaunch 65S, and played well but the shaft felt a little week for my swing.

I ended up switching from the 9.5 to a 10.5 head over the winter becuase I hit a very low ball and the Diamana lowered my launch angle even more. My swing numbers with my ProLaunch 65 and the 9.5 head are listed below. I thought that I could pickup even more consistency and distance with the Diamana and the 10.5, but early in the season I am stuck hitting major hooks. When I do hit one down the middle it is noticeably shorter than I was with the 9.5/ProLaunch combo, I have yet to get back on the monitor. Do you guys think it is the swing or the equipment that is causing this. I'm from Indiana so I have been away from the swing for 3 or 4 months, but I am a consistent ball striker playing to a GHIN 3.0. I scrambled to a 75 on Sunday, but let me tell you my 4-Iron got a work out punching from all over the course.

AVG. Clubhead Speed- 112-116
AVG. Ball Speed- 168-172
AVG. Backspin- 3300-3350
AVG. Sidespin- 50-95
AVG. Launch Angle-11.0-12
AVG. Ball Carry-270-274


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I would bet your backspin numbers are too high. They were a bit too high before the switch and the increased loft has probably raised them even more. You need to get them down. You could change balls and see if it helps or, try a stiffer tipped shaft. You could also go to an X Flex. It will take the spin numbers down and should help with the hook.

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How bad is the hook? What does the ball flight look like? Do you hit low duck hooks with some being pushed straight right? Most likely the swing (you did mention you have not played for awhile), but is also amplified by the equipment change.

 

How are you other clubs (3 wood or long irons)? If it is the same type of situation, definitely your swing.

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Also, if I am not mistaken, and I could be, the 10.5 Cleveland head is 1* more closed than the 9.5*. The added weight in the hosel could also have moved the COG closer to the heel, increasing draw bias.

 

I am not 100% sure on the face angle difference based on loft, but I am sure that added weight in the hosel will increase draw bias, just like adding lead tape to the heel of the club, it makes the toe lighter.

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I am not 100% sure on the face angle difference based on loft, but I am sure that added weight in the hosel will increase draw bias, just like adding lead tape to the heel of the club, it makes the toe lighter.

lidomkj Posted Today, 07:18 AM

 

Six grams of weight in the hosel shouldn't bother anything. It isn't in the actual club head. It is in the axis. For that reason, the weight will only effect CG. I think I read somewhere that 6 grams will only move the CG 1/16". Not too much. I play all of my drivers just like that and have done it for several customers and friends. Never changed anything but the swing weight for me.

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ADDING WEIGHT IN THE HOSEL IS NOT THE SMARTEST MOVE IN THE FIRST PLACE, ADDING WEIGHT IN THE HOSEL LOWERS THE CENTRE OF GRAVITY ON THE DRIVER BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY MAKES THE DRIVER TURN OVER A LOT EASIER, U'LL HIT A HOOK ALL THE TIME. FOR THE WEEKEND GOLFER OR AVERAGE JOE WEIGHT IS GOOD IN THE HOSEL BECAUSE OF THEIR SWING FAULTS BUT ADDING WEIGHT TO THE HOSEL OF THE CLUB NOT ONLY CHANGES SWINWEIGHT BUT RATHER MAKES THE CLUB PLAY POLAR OPPOSITE THAN BEFORE......THE GUY U DID THE WORK SHOULD OF TOLD U IN THE FIRST PLACE WHAT HE WAS DOING, BECAUSE U ALSO CHANGED THE ENTIRE KICKPOINT OF THE SHAFT, U WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE STIFF, BUT IN THEORY THE KICK POINT MOVED DOWN WHICH IS INCREASING UR SPIN RATE.......GET THE WORK DONE BY A PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!

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ADDING WEIGHT IN THE HOSEL IS NOT THE SMARTEST MOVE IN THE FIRST PLACE, ADDING WEIGHT IN THE HOSEL LOWERS THE CENTRE OF GRAVITY ON THE DRIVER BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY MAKES THE DRIVER TURN OVER A LOT EASIER, U'LL HIT A HOOK ALL THE TIME. FOR THE WEEKEND GOLFER OR AVERAGE JOE WEIGHT IS GOOD IN THE HOSEL BECAUSE OF THEIR SWING FAULTS BUT ADDING WEIGHT TO THE HOSEL OF THE CLUB NOT ONLY CHANGES SWINWEIGHT BUT RATHER MAKES THE CLUB PLAY POLAR OPPOSITE THAN BEFORE......THE GUY U DID THE WORK SHOULD OF TOLD U IN THE FIRST PLACE WHAT HE WAS DOING, BECAUSE U ALSO CHANGED THE ENTIRE KICKPOINT OF THE SHAFT, U WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE STIFF, BUT IN THEORY THE KICK POINT MOVED DOWN WHICH IS INCREASING UR SPIN RATE.......GET THE WORK DONE BY A PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!

 

Totally untrue. Six grams of weight will not effect the club that much. Adding weight in the hosel will not change the CG by a noticeable amount. It is also rude to type in all caps but, I think we have had that discussion before...

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to bad it is true, ive been on a launch monitor with a nike ignite 460 with accuflex evolution x, they were both a 45' so i decided to have some add some tungsten powder in the shaft as i cut it to 44 1/4 ", my side spin ratio and back spin ratio when up 30%, so i went back to the normal 45 inch same head same shaft i was back to normal rates. this is when i was testing drivers for spin rates and differences between 44 1/4 and 45 acuuracy patterns. ITS AMAZING HOW MUCH PEOPLE THINK THE KNOW WHEN IN REALITY THEY HAVE NO CLUE! Oh sorry caps lock again my bad.

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:idhitit: ok ok ok you've gone a little far there charlie brown, i love people on this site hahahaha, i do this for a living, i just happend to do it as well, pretty stupid comment there bud, because i do hit it 300+ and i will make it to the pga tour, thats after i finish my schloarship in the U.S., play nationwide for 1 year, and make it to the pga the year after that, that is my dream and it has been ever since, its just a bonus i have the talent to be a certified club fitter and A.M of a great custom club shop for the time being. i at least know that club fitting is not my life, i have higher aspirations that includes a lot better lifestyle for myself.

 

good job buddy.

 

this is why i hardley listen to "people doing this for a living", beause if i havent seen your work and u havent seen mine, u cant say squat!

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Im interested in this topic. First, club building in my opinion is partially an art and partially science, you can take in tons of info and apply it however you like. There are times, such as spining a shaft, that you can hear tons of info on how a bunch of golfers hit 30% straighter shots after spining their clubs. Then we hear from a PGA player who says they notice no difference. How is that supposed to be digested? Is spining good or worthless? Im a factual based person so I look at all kinds of ideas and try many of them out. Some I accept some I do not. Either way, I would recommend people who are trying to help others here, start by saying this is what I have found to work for me. Unless someone is a research and development specialist or a scientist studying club mechanics, they shouldnt state their aquired information as fact. JMHO

Now back to the topic. I have heard that 6 grams in the hosle moves the sweet spot towards the hosel 1/16th of an inch. Is it dramatic? No, but what if your misses are already 1/16th of an inch towards the toe? Also, we are talking about Swing weight. There are many good points here that IMHO are true, but the changes are so minimal I cant see how it would effect the ball flight that much. Its tough to know whats going on inside the head as well. There may be differences that you cant see. OEMS stink when it comes to tolerances. Mabe try another head. Sorry to jump in on a disagreement, Im just interested to hear whateverone has to say. Thanks, Im out. G

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