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[quote name='Javitron' date='21 January 2010 - 11:11 PM' timestamp='1264126277' post='2196167']
Will the distance gap between a 22 degree hybrid and a 4 iron be too close?

I'm looking to work on my long-game clubs and was thinking about going with a strong 3 wood, and 18 & 22 degree hybrids (and ditching the 3 iron). Does this make sense?


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it obviously depends on the model but in general i would say a 22* hybrid will go as far as if not farther than a 3 iron. I have a 23* idea pro that goes as far as my 3 iron.

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I have a bunch of hybrid heads and I'm trying to figure out which I should us and which I should sell.

I have Adams Peanut 1s in 16 and 22 (and thinking of buying a 20 degree... club ho). And I have an Adams Peanut 2 in an 18 degree. I would love to ditch the 3 iron and have a long hitting hybrid.

So it seems that i should go with the 18 and 22 degree set up or 16 and 20 degree set up.... or 18 and 20??? I don't want to ditch my 4 iron.

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I carry a 22 hybrid (as well as a 19) and a 4 iron.

I would say that in windless conditions off a fairway I can probably hit the hybrid a bit farther but I like having both for playing in the real world.

I think it's important to consider the course and conditions that you play on any given day. For example I would no more hit a full 22 hybrid into a 20mph wind than I would take my putter !! However for a poor lie in the rough the hybrid is awesome to gouge it out and get some distance.

So in try wrx tradition I would say get both and then take your pick :)

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[quote name='Javitron' date='22 January 2010 - 03:11 AM' timestamp='1264140671' post='2196485']
I have a bunch of hybrid heads and I'm trying to figure out which I should us and which I should sell.

I have Adams Peanut 1s in 16 and 22 (and thinking of buying a 20 degree... club ho). And I have an Adams Peanut 2 in an 18 degree. I would love to ditch the 3 iron and have a long hitting hybrid.

So it seems that i should go with the 18 and 22 degree set up or 16 and 20 degree set up.... or 18 and 20??? I don't want to ditch my 4 iron.
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I would say sell the 16 and keep the other 2. I have tried an Idea Pro 16. It goes very low and i didn't really gain much distance over my 19* hybrid.

I think it is a safe bet that the 22* hybrid will go at least a club farther than a 4 iron.

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I carry TM 19* and 22* Rescue-Mid TP hybrids and Mizuno MP-32 irons,(4-PW). The hybrids have Fujikura Vista Pro 90 graphite shafts, while the irons are PX-5.5 Flex. (I tipped the 22* hybrid 1/2" to bring the trajectory down a bit and also added shaft length. I play the 22* hybrid at 40.5" which is a full 2-inches longer than my 4-iron. (My 4-iron is 38.5" in length).

No conflicts as the hybrid goes much futher, 200-210 yards. I hit my 4-iron 185-190.

:rolleyes:

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I play KZG irons and U-Irons (Hybrids). The setup my builder put me in was: 22* hybrid, 26* hybrid and 5 iron bent to 28* to try to achieve 10 yard gaps. All are set in steel shafts and lengths are stepped up like a normal iron set. No graphite on the hybrids. You might check the loft on your 4 iron. The sets can vary 2 and 3 degrees depending on the builder. "Ours are the longest irons." Yeah, because your lofts are the strongest.

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I've gone back and forth between 4 iron and 4 hybrid over the years. It used to be a tough call to commit to either one, but in recent years equipment companies have produced some awesome traditional 4 iron replacements. I currently use the Mizuno MP-H4 4 iron and love it to death! Honestly the 4 iron in the Ping i25 set is awesome too. Adams has some new "Driving hybrids" that look promising.

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I'm having this same debate with myself right now also, I've replaced my 3 iron with a 19* Hybrid, now I'm thinking about replacing my 4 iron with the 22* Hybrid also. Both the hybrids are cut down to iron length with graphite shafts.

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Seem to be right there with a lot of other people posting, carrying a 19* and 22* hybrid along with a 4 iron. My gaps from 3 wood down to 4 iron seem to be a nice 15 yard gap between each club in the set of 4.

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[quote name='Javitron' timestamp='1264192191' post='2197420']
so it sounds like an 18 & 22 degree hybrid set up will work.

Is an 18 & 20 degree set up worth it? Is there a big enough gap in distance between these two clubs???
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For most players, I'd say the answer is "no". Choking down an inch on the 18 should give you similar distances. I'd use the extra slot for another wedge.

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Long iron game is dead, dhy and hybrids is the way to go and i even have a 5 wood for the really long course to mix in there between 2h and 3 wood.

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[quote name='EngGolf' timestamp='1402429079' post='9468375']I've gone back and forth between 4 iron and 4 hybrid over the years. It used to be a tough call to commit to either one, but in recent years equipment companies have produced some awesome traditional 4 iron replacements. I currently use the Mizuno MP-H4 4 iron and love it to death! Honestly the 4 iron in the Ping i25 set is awesome too. Adams has some new "Driving hybrids" that look promising.[/quote]

I love my 4 iron replacement, and the shaft is just butter.

Am not long but i get 200 yards from the fairway to green but i play it as a 190 yard club.

So when my gps states 193 to the back of the green i swing smooth and its usually there for a birdie putt.

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[quote name='Pigems' timestamp='1402433165' post='9468791']I'm having this same debate with myself right now also, I've replaced my 3 iron with a 19* Hybrid, now I'm thinking about replacing my 4 iron with the 22* Hybrid also. Both the hybrids are cut down to iron length with graphite shafts.[/quote]

I like 17/21 and no 4 iron. juice up the 5 loft wise or shaft length and its way better.

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[quote name='bobcat' timestamp='1264174573' post='2196841']I carry TM 19* and 22* Rescue-Mid TP hybrids and Mizuno MP-32 irons,(4-PW). The hybrids have Fujikura Vista Pro 90 graphite shafts, while the irons are PX-5.5 Flex. (I tipped the 22* hybrid 1/2" to bring the trajectory down a bit and also added shaft length. I play the 22* hybrid at 40.5" which is a full 2-inches longer than my 4-iron. (My 4-iron is 38.5" in length).

No conflicts as the hybrid goes much futher, 200-210 yards. I hit my 4-iron 185-190.

:rolleyes:[/quote]

Yeah, 185 4i just like me but mine didn't fly high enough so i killed it.

Adams dhy is like cheating, my hips turn and fire by them self its cheating i tell you. Lol

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I going to try this as it makes good sense. Driver 10.5* strong 3 13* 5W 18* and 4 hybrid 22* gaps covered nicely. Lofts on my irons are strong so yeah, I have room for 1 more club which I don't feel that I really need.

 

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Hi J, I hope that all's well. Excuse me if I repeat anything already posted though I do not like to read others' thoughts and/or opinions prior to posting mine, lol. Another quirk of mine, lol :)

You might want to hit both a 22° and say, a 23-25° lofted hybrid to make sure that, regardless of the loft or club number on the sole, that the appropriate gap is being covered.

I've found that usually a, say 21-22° iron, is covered by a 24-25° hybrid, gap wise. Basically, it equates to a club's difference between the two, depending both on the style(say Players vs GI) and of course, how ya hit it.

The Best with your search!

Have a great season My Friend :)

Fairways & Greens,
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[quote name='superman912' timestamp='1402787704' post='9496719']
I carry a 4i at 24* and a 23* 913Hd. 4i is good for 215, and 23* hybrid is good for 230 on the dot. The hybrid will go higher with less spin...generally 10 yards more than the equivalent iron. Next club is 18.5* 5 wood.
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same here, 19* 913h/kiyoshi purple(245-250), 23* original pro black pxi at 3 iron length(225-230), 24* 4i(215),

couple years ago, i had the 26* pro black that i used as 4I replacement and it was a perfect replacement distance wise

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