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That seller appears to have pretty legitimate tour stuff. I bought a set of RAC MB Black irons from him not long ago and had no problems...

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Talked to the Callaway Tour Rep this past week at the Wachovia and they have a newer generation of X Tours coming out on tour. I know this, because I saw them with my own two eyes. They have a much thinner topline and sole. They are also a little smaller heel to toe. They look a lot more like a traditional blade iron as opposed to being so clunky looking. They still have the undercut cavity, although nowhere near as deep. He said that they have tour players complain that the courses they play are so hard and fast, and the fairways are cut so short, that they fight hitting the ball a little thin because the sole is so wide. I know somebody who ordered a set from the van while we were there and they should be here in a few weeks. Mickelson has been playing these model X Tours for a while now.

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Talked to the Callaway Tour Rep this past week at the Wachovia and they have a newer generation of X Tours coming out on tour. I know this, because I saw them with my own two eyes. They have a much thinner topline and sole. They are also a little smaller heel to toe. They look a lot more like a traditional blade iron as opposed to being so clunky looking. They still have the undercut cavity, although nowhere near as deep. He said that they have tour players complain that the courses they play are so hard and fast, and the fairways are cut so short, that they fight hitting the ball a little thin because the sole is so wide. I know somebody who ordered a set from the van while we were there and they should be here in a few weeks. Mickelson has been playing these model X Tours for a while now.

 

Sat right next to 2 Callaway Tour reps. this last week at a Annika "seminar". No milled irons (they thought that was a hoot), and no new generation of X Tour Irons are on the tour (newer designs are being developed but nothing on Tour only at the callaway R&D center). There are many many different sole and top line grinds and finishes but the original design remains the same. Mickelson continues to play the original design. Tour players that are complaining might not be Phil or Michael since they did pretty good at some pretty hard courses and set ups with these "clunky looking" irons (lets see PGA, Masters, U.S. Open comes to mind).

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Talked to the Callaway Tour Rep this past week at the Wachovia and they have a newer generation of X Tours coming out on tour. I know this, because I saw them with my own two eyes. They have a much thinner topline and sole. They are also a little smaller heel to toe. They look a lot more like a traditional blade iron as opposed to being so clunky looking. They still have the undercut cavity, although nowhere near as deep. He said that they have tour players complain that the courses they play are so hard and fast, and the fairways are cut so short, that they fight hitting the ball a little thin because the sole is so wide. I know somebody who ordered a set from the van while we were there and they should be here in a few weeks. Mickelson has been playing these model X Tours for a while now.

 

Sat right next to 2 Callaway Tour reps. this last week at a Annika "seminar". No milled irons (they thought that was a hoot), and no new generation of X Tour Irons are on the tour (newer designs are being developed but nothing on Tour only at the callaway R&D center). There are many many different sole and top line grinds and finishes but the original design remains the same. Mickelson continues to play the original design. Tour players that are complaining might not be Phil or Michael since they did pretty good at some pretty hard courses and set ups with these "clunky looking" irons (lets see PGA, Masters, U.S. Open comes to mind).

 

Believe what you will. I caddied at the Wachovia for a player carrying the original X Tours. We spent 4 hours on the range setting up a set of the new ones. They are being built as we speak and he should have them next week. They do exist, I have held them in my hand. Much thinner than the originals.

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I apologize in advance for getting off topic

 

Sandy... in regards to your comments a Cally rep is the last place i would go to get these questions answered. As a public company Callaway is VERY strict about information leaking out of the company about upcoming products, as it compromises its place in the marketplace as an innovative company and possible a loss in profitability to its shareholders (2 very bad things) Reps are the LAST people to get this information and are told to NOT give out any information until a product is released to the public or it is considered "public knowledge".

 

To the point that if it gets back that a tour rep or any other rep was confirming or talking about upcoming products or developments that they are FIRED! So rep will flat out LIE to anyone that is not in their "circle of trust".

 

As for your comments that a new x-tour does not exist but only in the R&D lab, i have talked with very privileged and trustworthy people that have stated like TitleistProVman that have held or seen up close a "prototype" version of a new x-tour iron.

 

And I far one like the masses can't wait to the day Cally announces publicly when it will be released to the masses, but until them expect to get the runaround by reps and customer services reps.

 

Also i want to state that this is by no means an attack on you Sandy but just my opinion on the matter and retort to your comment, as I'm sure mine will also receive constructive criticism.

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For all that have claimed to see them and have been involved in their fitting the best way to solve all the controversy is PICTURES. Also couldn't agree more with you about reps. tour or otherwise, but let's just suffice to say that the term I use to "Protect the innocent". I can guarantee you I ain't talking to tour reps, customer service, or regional reps.. I will let you know when something is about to be released as I am a "consumer" that receives opportunities to test/comment on new upcoming product. This usually involves a trip to CA because they don't want pictures out. I am also not allowed to comment on new stuff until I am given the OK. Once the product is determined to be an upcoming release I will receive the first stuff off production tools. The X-460 line I had a driver and fairway wood in late October. See when my review was posted---that was when I was allowed to comment.

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For all that have claimed to see them and have been involved in their fitting the best way to solve all the controversy is PICTURES. Also couldn't agree more with you about reps. tour or otherwise, but let's just suffice to say that the term I use to "Protect the innocent". I can guarantee you I ain't talking to tour reps, customer service, or regional reps.. I will let you know when something is about to be released as I am a "consumer" that receives opportunities to test/comment on new upcoming product. This usually involves a trip to CA because they don't want pictures out. I am also not allowed to comment on new stuff until I am given the OK. Once the product is determined to be an upcoming release I will receive the first stuff off production tools. The X-460 line I had a driver and fairway wood in late October. See when my review was posted---that was when I was allowed to comment.

 

I WILL be posting pics of these irons when they get here. There was a fitting and all Cally tour irons come from their tour department. They do not keep entire sets of irons on their tour van. They keep some woods and wedges, but don't stock all of the different sets of irons. We were told that it would be a few weeks before they were done and shipped out. This fitting was just done last week at the Wachovia, so it will be a few weeks before they get here. Just because you haven't seen them does not mean that they don't exist. If you test equipment that will be released to the retail, you may never get your hands on something that never makes it past the tour pros hands. I will update this whenever the irons are delivered from Callaway.

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For all that have claimed to see them and have been involved in their fitting the best way to solve all the controversy is PICTURES. Also couldn't agree more with you about reps. tour or otherwise, but let's just suffice to say that the term I use to "Protect the innocent". I can guarantee you I ain't talking to tour reps, customer service, or regional reps.. I will let you know when something is about to be released as I am a "consumer" that receives opportunities to test/comment on new upcoming product. This usually involves a trip to CA because they don't want pictures out. I am also not allowed to comment on new stuff until I am given the OK. Once the product is determined to be an upcoming release I will receive the first stuff off production tools. The X-460 line I had a driver and fairway wood in late October. See when my review was posted---that was when I was allowed to comment.

 

I WILL be posting pics of these irons when they get here. There was a fitting and all Cally tour irons come from their tour department. They do not keep entire sets of irons on their tour van. They keep some woods and wedges, but don't stock all of the different sets of irons. We were told that it would be a few weeks before they were done and shipped out. This fitting was just done last week at the Wachovia, so it will be a few weeks before they get here. Just because you haven't seen them does not mean that they don't exist. If you test equipment that will be released to the retail, you may never get your hands on something that never makes it past the tour pros hands. I will update this whenever the irons are delivered from Callaway.

 

Knowing you and knowing whom this set is intended for, I'll give this info as 100% accurate. :)

 

Can't wait to see the pictures and hopefully this pro will chime in his opinions about the differences between his original XTour and this new updated tour issue XTour set.

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For all that have claimed to see them and have been involved in their fitting the best way to solve all the controversy is PICTURES. Also couldn't agree more with you about reps. tour or otherwise, but let's just suffice to say that the term I use to "Protect the innocent". I can guarantee you I ain't talking to tour reps, customer service, or regional reps.. I will let you know when something is about to be released as I am a "consumer" that receives opportunities to test/comment on new upcoming product. This usually involves a trip to CA because they don't want pictures out. I am also not allowed to comment on new stuff until I am given the OK. Once the product is determined to be an upcoming release I will receive the first stuff off production tools. The X-460 line I had a driver and fairway wood in late October. See when my review was posted---that was when I was allowed to comment.

 

I WILL be posting pics of these irons when they get here. There was a fitting and all Cally tour irons come from their tour department. They do not keep entire sets of irons on their tour van. They keep some woods and wedges, but don't stock all of the different sets of irons. We were told that it would be a few weeks before they were done and shipped out. This fitting was just done last week at the Wachovia, so it will be a few weeks before they get here. Just because you haven't seen them does not mean that they don't exist. If you test equipment that will be released to the retail, you may never get your hands on something that never makes it past the tour pros hands. I will update this whenever the irons are delivered from Callaway.

 

Tested plenty of Tour equipment from callaway and others. I await eagerly the pictures so I can get a set. Can't imagine Phil switching but maybe Annika. :)

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just to solve any questions, figured I would chime in and save some arguments. callaway does have a new x toru iron, they do a lot of custom grinds but they have a new tour X tour, they are denoted by a T dot stamp under the forged on the hosel, myself and provman spent some time getting fit and set up with these irons last week. i was told that i would expect them in 3-4 weeks. they are still trying to catch up on inventory. i will gladly post pics of the difference when they come in.

 

As for the original pictures up top, those are the same as retail irons. the original irons are all the same size unless they have a custom grind on them. which can usually be found with some rust as 95% of the sets are ground after chroming.

 

Hoot how do those differ from the miriad of T or T dot stamps that are on the tour now? Callaway has gotten many different grinds/configurations (8 at last count) from Thailand that are marked with T or T dot (if they are upright) under the forged. Did the ones you were getting set up with have a different shape head or was the undercut channel gone (I did see those rough sketches but nothing from actual tools)?

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There were pictures floating around of them both here and on the other site.

 

The main thing i noticed that was difference was that the cavity was vastly different. It was only undercut on some of them and the others were part of the actual club. Kinda like a varying cavity, thicker in the long irons and thinner in the short irons i'm assuming.

 

They were pictures on the range with no bading thats why it was easy to tell how different the cavity was.

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There were pictures floating around of them both here and on the other site.

 

The main thing i noticed that was difference was that the cavity was vastly different. It was only undercut on some of them and the others were part of the actual club. Kinda like a varying cavity, thicker in the long irons and thinner in the short irons i'm assuming.

 

They were pictures on the range with no bading thats why it was easy to tell how different the cavity was.

 

Those pictures were just an odd angle of standard X-Tours without the medallion. I've seen many sets just like that on the tour ranges being fit to the pros. When the shaft and weight combination is determined (often with lead tape in the cavity) the sets are then built with the proper weight medallion. Those pictures were not what Hoot and others are describing. Bottom line is we will need to wait and see the pics when Hoot and others post them.

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