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2006 U.S. Open
NOTE: I thought I'd add this here in the Ladies Forum...seeing as how she is female and thinking (hoping?) we won't get the bashing that's seems to be so frequent in the other forums. (You do get the hint, right?) Enjoy! :idhitit:

By Mercer Baggs - Michelle Wie. Phew. I haven’t written that name in three weeks. What a relief. I've been holding that one in like a dirty little secret.

Of course, as you well know, Wie will be attempting to become the first female player to qualify for a men's major championship this Monday. She's one of 153 hopefuls at Canoe Brook Country Club, vying for 18 spots into the U.S. Open at Winged Foot Golf Club.

I will be on site in Summit, N.J., along with just about every other member of the golfing media, following on foot all 36 holes.

Needless to say, Michelle Wie touches a nerve in many a golf fan.

Surprisingly, most of the e-mails I received were very negative. In fact, there were only a few notes in support of her – not just in her attempt to qualify for a men's major, but in relation to her on the whole.

And since I didn't have the time to do so then, I'll do so now; in the words of Jules Winfield: “Well, allow me to retort.”

There seemed to be some congruous streams of thought in the many, many e-mails I received. For one, most repliers felt overwhelmingly that Wie should compete against women and only women.

To this I ask, why? Why should she allow her gender to limit against whom she wants to compete? I understand the argument that she should perhaps play more events on the LPGA Tour and try and win a few – winning will only make her a stronger, better player.

But why say that she shouldn’t compete against men in general simply because she is a woman? If I had a daughter and she could throw a baseball 90 mph, I wouldn’t discourage her from playing on the boy’s baseball team, instead telling her that she needs to play softball with the girls. She might not be as dominant against the boys and she might not win nearly as often, but I would most certainly want her to test herself to the greatest degree and maximize her abilities. Most importantly, I would want her to enjoy herself and do that which makes her happy.

It’s absolutely senseless to ask Wie to limit herself, because you’re doing so based on the boundaries of your own beliefs and feelings, not hers. The wins will come in time – and they will come. She’s only 16 years old. Let her make her own way in this world. Unless Wie playing exclusively on the LPGA will lower the price of gas, I really don’t care where she plays.

Another overriding theme was that Wie receives too many sponsor’s exemptions and should have to qualify if she wants to play against the men. I can understand this to a certain degree. I even think that she should have had to qualify for the U.S. Women’s Open. She was offered an invitation based on the fact that she would have qualified via the LPGA money list if she was a member. But that’s the point – she’s not a member. She could be. She might not be 18, the age of official acceptance on tour, but if she had petitioned commissioner Carolyn Bivens for early membership, Bivens wouldn’t have let her finish her question before handing her a tour badge. Since she’s not a tour member, she shouldn’t be granted the rights of a tour member. That’s one of the drawbacks to being a freelance golfer.

But, tournament officials have the right to invite whomever they want to their event. I understand that the USGA is just covering their back, avoiding any and all possibility of a flukish Wie failure at sectional qualifying. The USGA wanted to guarantee the Wie spectacle.

Which brings us to your next argument: there is too much media attention given to someone who has never really won anything of note. Again, I hear where you’re coming from, but I don’t entirely agree with it. True, her only real accomplishment is winning the 2003 U.S. Women’s Public Links Championship. But you can’t deny that she is special. She can hit the ball longer than many men. If you ever watched her play in person, her talent is immediately evident. And more important than the fact that she is a she, she is only 16. Wie shouldn’t be anointed the Queen of Golf just yet, but there’s so much promise and potential that it’s hard not to get a little too wrapped up in it all.

It can be a little too much at times, I know, but we’re talking about a sport which on a weekly basis can be more bland than talking about house siding. Wie is something different. She’s a dose of Tabasco.

Golf is a measure of routine. Too many people are bothered by anything out of the ordinary. And Michelle Wie is anything but ordinary.

Would you rather watch Jeff Maggert beat Tom Pernice, Jr. and Kris Cox at the FedEx St. Jude Classic or watch Wie try and make history at Canoe Brook?

Many might answer the former, but I don’t buy it. A recent poll on our homepage showed that over 70 percent of those who voted said that they had no interest in Wie and her quest to qualify for the U.S. Open. Balderdash, I say!

You don’t vote unless you care. And I wouldn’t have received 20 times the normal response to my articles if you didn’t care.

You might not want her to qualify. You might want her to fail. But that’s still caring.

The final point of interest that was expressed by a few readers was: if women can play in men’s events then men should be able to play in women’s events.

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I’d sooner believe that reality TV is real, that Barry Bonds’ head is a normal size than to believe that. As I said to one e-mailer, you don’t demote yourself from one tour to another just to better your odds of winning. A weak field full of professional men is stronger than the best field full of professional women. The field against which Wie competed in South Korea didn’t have one recognizable name it, but it still had more skilled players than the field for the upcoming McDonald’s LPGA Championship.

That’s not chauvinism; that’s fact. What’s chauvinistic is to say that women, who might have the ability to do so, shouldn’t compete against men because they are women. And what’s absurd is to say that men, who play on a superior tour, should be able to compete against women in the name of fairness.

I could go on and on about this topic, but it doesn’t deserve any more space.

Speaking of the McDonald’s, Wie is competing in N.J., because the LPGA’s second major, one in which she received a special exemption to compete, is being held in nearby Maryland. Were it not for that proximity, Wie might very well have taken her chances once again in Hawaii, where a sectional qualifier is being held with 10 non-descript players fighting for one spot. It would have been similar to her local qualifying scenario, where Wie was one of 39 players in Hawaii, mostly locals, going for three spots into the sectionals.

I wrote prior to those 18 holes that I felt that Wie should easily make it through, and she did, earning medalist honors. I also wrote that I felt that she should have a good chance at making it through the sectionals as well. At the time, it was believed that there would be in the neighborhood of 25-30 available spots into the U.S. Open. There are now only 18. It might not sound like much, but that’s a massive reduction. It could mean as much as a two-stroke difference – the difference between needing a 68 over her final 18 instead of a 70.

Wie is going up against, by my count, 19 different PGA TOUR winners, including a pair of past major champions; not to mention a host of proven TOUR regulars and a great number of winners from various other tours around the world.

The odds are against her, and the odds to begin with are statistically less than 12 percent for her to qualify.

But if she does, if she plays the best golf of her life – which is what it will take –then it will be a most impressive feat, more impressive than if she actually won the McDonald’s at the end of the week.

And if she doesn’t, then so be it. Good try and nice effort. There will be a next time.

There will be a lot of next times.
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Thanks, G_B.

 

While I am completely annoyed that there's so much negativity about MW, based solely on the fact that any person striving to be the best they can be should be celebrated rather than questioned, but given that even the likes of Hank Aaron and others--I prefer not to use Barry Bonds as an example--came under attack for their efforts and accomplishments we should not be surprised. Some people just don't accept things well when the status quo is challenged....Is this human nature? Maybe this question should be the debate.

 

I'm sorry...I just have a hard time when people tell others what they "should" do. Like the old addage goes: The only thing you HAVE to do is pay taxes and die when the time comes. The things you SHOULD do are all the things you want to do.

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Should;shouldn't;can;can't;blah blah; woof woof.....A whole lotta hot air if you ask me...I don't care if Ms Wie qualifies or not, will I pay attention and check websites for updated scoring..you bet..why..the whole Michelle Wie phenomenon has become the Greatest Show On Earth (without apologies to P.T. Barnum, whom no doubt is smiling every time the Show goes on the Road.) I stand in awe of the whole marketing of Ms. Wie and salute her parents creation! And the kid can play too.

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I don't understand all of the Haterade for Wie either. She's a 16 year-old girl that didn't make it through qualifying for the US Open. I think it's outstanding that she was one step away. As far as not beating anyone she's beat numerous people. Though she hasn't won a tournament yet. I think back to when I was 16 and can't even fathom competing at that level. Let alone right now. I think it's amazing what she has done so far. There's no doubt in my mind that by the time she's 20 this whole debate will see outrageous. I was a little disappointed that she turned pro though. I wanted to see her when the US AM and get in the masters. BTW didn't she beat David Gosset the former US AM champ at the Qualifier? Oh yeah she did.

 

Dirt off the shoulder Wie.

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Should;shouldn't;can;can't;blah blah; woof woof.....A whole lotta hot air if you ask me...I don't care if Ms Wie qualifies or not, will I pay attention and check websites for updated scoring..you bet..why..the whole Michelle Wie phenomenon has become the Greatest Show On Earth (without apologies to P.T. Barnum, whom no doubt is smiling every time the Show goes on the Road.) I stand in awe of the whole marketing of Ms. Wie and salute her parents creation! And the kid can play too.

 

You can say that again! :crazy: ....I've not ever seen so many guys getting bent out of shape, and by a teenage girl, who just so happens to play the game of golf, and she does it better than they do. :yahoo:

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