TP RED LDP....Debunked!!!

[Neo1]

my assessment

well after reading all the hype about this ball, i decided to give them a try, so i bought a dozen off the bay...low spin??? well yeah compared to the penta and prov1 the reds do spin less off the tee but nothing too impressive...compared the reds to the srixon xv and prov1x and i was getting noticeably more side/back spin with the tp reds. the launch of these balls were noticeably lower then the xv and prov1x, but the rise and fall of the reds was more dramatic as well...downwind shots looked like the ball was knocked out of the sky... played with it for 4 rounds now and im not a believer...anyone out there agree? or disagree? gimme your take...

[bama59]

Disagree

TP Red Ldp = The best.

[Vision54fan]

maybe i'm just odd but i love the tp black.

[klausdude]

[quote name='bama59' timestamp='1320361655' post='3756345']
Disagree

TP Red Ldp = The best.
[/quote]

+1 on this. The search for a better ball continues...

[Par Fore]

I lay I'm bed and cry myself to sleep every night because I'm down to my last 2 dozen reds, they are the best!

[RookieBlue7]

Which version of the TP Red LDP's did you get? The original ones or the new ones rereleased in Walmart, etc?

[mattw1106]

TP Red LDP is in my opinion the best ball of all time.

[PingG10guy]

IMO the TP Red does everything well. Srixon is close. Im almost out of Reds though...

[Neo1]

[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1320365589' post='3756629']
Which version of the TP Red LDP's did you get? The original ones or the new ones rereleased in Walmart, etc?
[/quote]

the ones i got were the 4 piece tp red ldp's...the side stamp looked like this <TP/RED.LDP> . these are the conforming ones with the / still in between TP and RED with only a small dot after the > arrow...they do say "tournament edition" on the sleeves

[msd3075]

I played the TP Red for a while last year after I found a bunch of them stashed away in the corner at my club's pro shop. While it definitely is a low-spin premium ball and does work well, I don't understand the brouhaha over this ball either. Personally, I think 90+% of the people that love the TP Red only say so because others on here rave about it; everything they have heard/read makes them "see" superior results with the TP Red that aren't completely there. The vast majority of those people are no where near good enough or consistent enough to tell a slight difference in performance between balls.

Before the TP Red went a deep discount, there are very little fanfare over the ball. Once everyone tried it and "the word spread", everyone was in love with it

It's like the people that come on here and claim changing from one company's low-spin premium ball to another's low-spin premium ball resultsed a 15-20 yard gain. None of this is based in reality and is all in their head. Or if there are distance difference it was from other variables (wind, temperature, fairway hardness, you took a big dump that morning so you were more flexible, etc.) and was not from simply switching to a ball with slightly different playing characteristics.

[Skaffa77]

I played it and still have a few dozen left...I tend to stock up on a ball that I like when they start closing them out at low prices (Precept U-Tri Tour was another one). I always thought the TP Red LDP had good trajectory (didn't balloon off woods), nice greenside spin and a soft feel on the putter. It's the ONLY discontinued golf ball that my more skilled golfing buddies have offered to buy off me. The only one. Price didn't even come up...it was simply an offer to buy if I decided to sell them and they aren't the golf equipment junkies like me.

Whether it's legacy or lore, this ball has a strong following. IMHO, I don't believe you get that type of following without some type of substance.

[North Texas]

My all time favorite ball. Down to my last dozen along with two dozen mint condition that I bought from GolfBallNut.com. Wish I could find some more new ones.

Johnny T.

[clc55]

best wind ball of all time.

[Krusty2]

I haven't played the Red's in a while but from what I recall, they are not too long off the driver, have *amazing* feel off the irons, are great into the wind and are super-predictable around the greens. The bottom line is that I SCORED well with them and that's probably the most important thing.

[mccjud]

TP red ldp is my favorite ball of all time, barely trailed by the '04/05 prov1x. The most predictable ball around the greens, & once accustomed to their spin & feel greenside, I scored the best with them. Also they were extremely durable.

The most important factor far me was the ball's trajectory. I am a high ball hitter & this ball helped me bring the flight down & was/is the best into the wind for me. While other balls got eaten up, this one just keeps going into the wind. For reference my SS is 114 & this ball of my supertri spins to 2400 whereas the provx spins to 2650.

Take it for what you will, but this was my favorite ball of all time. RIP TP red ldp.. you will be missed

[TMBob]

[quote name='Vision54fan' timestamp='1320362161' post='3756381']
maybe i'm just odd but i love the tp black.
[/quote]

Me too! Black was the first one that I tried on a cool winter day and I have a hard time hitting my driver to this day even close to we're my first driver with it ended up even in the summer time. B
Must be more age for the reason then the ball!

Someone hard a Ball Chart and the Black had the highest firmness rating of all the balls tested at 117 compression. That chart is floating around here some where and I think the REDvwas about 107 with PV1's about 95 range, but please do not quote me on this. I do remember the Black at 117 though.

[tjk52]

[quote name='miz85uno' timestamp='1320368279' post='3756805']
[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1320365589' post='3756629']
Which version of the TP Red LDP's did you get? The original ones or the new ones rereleased in Walmart, etc?
[/quote]

the ones i got were the 4 piece tp red ldp's...the side stamp looked like this <TP/RED.LDP> . these are the conforming ones with the / still in between TP and RED with only a small dot after the > arrow...they do say "tournament edition" on the sleeves
[/quote]

I still have 8 doz.Best ball I have played!

[golfbum9]

[quote name='mattw1106' timestamp='1320365645' post='3756639']
TP Red LDP is in my opinion the best ball of all time.
[/quote]
I have to agree in relation to the todays solid core offerings. It was a great ball.

Prior to todays solid core- it was the Maxfli Revolution Multilayer 100. and going even further... the Maxfli HT-100 and Titleist Tour 100 can be added to that "list".

[golfbum9]

[quote name='Skaffa77' timestamp='1320415109' post='3758499']
I played it and still have a few dozen left...I tend to stock up on a ball that I like when they start closing them out at low prices ([b]Precept U-Tri Tour was another[/b] one). I always thought the TP Red LDP had good trajectory (didn't balloon off woods), nice greenside spin and a soft feel on the putter. It's the ONLY discontinued golf ball that my more skilled golfing buddies have offered to buy off me. The only one. Price didn't even come up...it was simply an offer to buy if I decided to sell them and they aren't the golf equipment junkies like me.

Whether it's legacy or lore, this ball has a strong following. IMHO, I don't believe you get that type of following without some type of substance.
[/quote]
Agreed. I forgot about that one

[T.Beau]

[quote name='mccjud' timestamp='1320418307' post='3758741']
TP red ldp is my favorite ball of all time, barely trailed by the '04/05 prov1x. The most predictable ball around the greens, & once accustomed to their spin & feel greenside, I scored the best with them. Also they were extremely durable.

[b]The most important factor far me was the ball's trajectory. I am a high ball hitter & this ball helped me bring the flight down & was/is the best into the wind for me[/b]. While other balls got eaten up, this one just keeps going into the wind. For reference my SS is 114 & this ball of my supertri spins to 2400 whereas the provx spins to 2650.

Take it for what you will, but this was my favorite ball of all time. RIP TP red ldp.. you will be missed
[/quote]

Bolded above is key to this ball I think. For those who arent high ball hitters, the TP Red would likely be considered just another premium ball. Also it does bore though the wind like no other ball i;ve tried. and doesnt bend nearly as much in. the wind as other premium balls. I have only 1 ball left and dont have the heart to hit it. I'm now playing the newest version of the Tour iZ which launches higher but does well in the wind and is a little crisper feeling. It does well into the wind considering its higher launch properties and doesnt bend nearly as much as the Bridgestone premium balls for me

To the person that said lots of people just bandwagon this ball w.o really knowing? well this is the internet and there is lots of that going on...a classic example would be the 9015d thread. On the net, there is good info and less than good info, people who know that they are talking about, and people just making noise.

[ode1]

One of the best balls ever. I'm in the 90's ss, and even for me this ball performed fantastic; never ballooned, seemingly stayed on a rope like line off the driver, rolled forever, and had very nice feel to boot.

[ntogolf]

Hands down the best ball in the wind. Also much less side spin with the driver as well. A little harder to work with the driver, but it's possible. I too have several dozen still left, and I even find myself playing other balls on days when the conditions are bad, or a course with alot of leaves off the fairways so as not to lose them. Perfect ball IMO.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

High spin player and that BALL was a gift from the golfing gods...and a punishment when they took it away..here is hoping the new penta will live up to it's predecessor, twice removed---TP RED LDP!!
As some have mentioned about the spin...not only was it just right for a higher ball hitter, to produce that mid ball flight that just bores thru the wind, but mostly, you didn't have to think about what the ball might do...! You just hit the shot you wanted to hit and if YOU executed it, it performed! SImple as that...never had to worry about sucking it off a green( as I do with most all other premium balls--except the Srixon XV) or hitting it past the pin so it would be close after it sucked back(unless that is the shot I tried to hit). Greenside and putting were amazing(and still is for some you answered).

The Penta is a great substitute for me, no worries...but if they make it closer to the TP RED LDP this time around in February...I will be stoked to play it!!

[rainkingjr]

Tried both LDP Red and Black. Neither impressed me enough to swiitch from the Bridgestone B330S.

[Jamboy72]

[quote name='rainkingjr' timestamp='1320506247' post='3762723']
Tried both LDP Red and Black. Neither impressed me enough to swiitch from the Bridgestone B330S.
[/quote]

Yeah...for me 110 ss with driver and 92 w/ 6 iron...the 330s has outperformed everything else i have tried...

[Sabaka]

[quote name='msd3075' timestamp='1320413553' post='3758401']
I played the TP Red for a while last year after I found a bunch of them stashed away in the corner at my club's pro shop. While it definitely is a low-spin premium ball and does work well, I don't understand the brouhaha over this ball either. Personally, I think 90+% of the people that love the TP Red only say so because others on here rave about it; everything they have heard/read makes them "see" superior results with the TP Red that aren't completely there. The vast majority of those people are no where near good enough or consistent enough to tell a slight difference in performance between balls.

Before the TP Red went a deep discount, there are very little fanfare over the ball. Once everyone tried it and "the word spread", everyone was in love with it

It's like the people that come on here and claim changing from one company's low-spin premium ball to another's low-spin premium ball resultsed a 15-20 yard gain. None of this is based in reality and is all in their head. Or if there are distance difference it was from other variables (wind, temperature, fairway hardness, you took a big dump that morning so you were more flexible, etc.) and was not from simply switching to a ball with slightly different playing characteristics.
[/quote]

What a clueless post. You think that most people love it because others rave about it? You think the vast majority are not good enough to tell the difference? OK, they are your thoughts, have fun with them.

If you don't mind I'll offer up my thoughts. Well, I am good enough to tell the difference, and without a doubt, it is a great ball for those with medium to medium-high club head speeds. For those of us in this category we have found that no other ball provides the all around package of performance that we seek - low spin off the tee, high spin around the greens, perfect in the wind, won't spin too much and balloon like a PROVI or Z-Star on mid to long iron shots, great feel off the putter.

When I caught wind these were being discontinued I stocked up. I have 28 dozen left and in the absence of finding a better ball (and I hope someone does come out with one) these have to last me the rest of my life. I string them out by playing a PRO VI or Penta or Z-Star from time to time, but when I play a round that counts for something the Red is the only ball I'll use.

They are great balls.

I wish you well in your journey to become good enough to tell the difference. Once you do, you will probably regret having made this post.

[albatrosser]

[quote name='Sabaka' timestamp='1320518238' post='3763275']
[quote name='msd3075' timestamp='1320413553' post='3758401']
I played the TP Red for a while last year after I found a bunch of them stashed away in the corner at my club's pro shop. While it definitely is a low-spin premium ball and does work well, I don't understand the brouhaha over this ball either. Personally, I think 90+% of the people that love the TP Red only say so because others on here rave about it; everything they have heard/read makes them "see" superior results with the TP Red that aren't completely there. The vast majority of those people are no where near good enough or consistent enough to tell a slight difference in performance between balls.

Before the TP Red went a deep discount, there are very little fanfare over the ball. Once everyone tried it and "the word spread", everyone was in love with it

It's like the people that come on here and claim changing from one company's low-spin premium ball to another's low-spin premium ball resultsed a 15-20 yard gain. None of this is based in reality and is all in their head. Or if there are distance difference it was from other variables (wind, temperature, fairway hardness, you took a big dump that morning so you were more flexible, etc.) and was not from simply switching to a ball with slightly different playing characteristics.
[/quote]

What a clueless post. You think that most people love it because others rave about it? You think the vast majority are not good enough to tell the difference? OK, they are your thoughts, have fun with them.

If you don't mind I'll offer up my thoughts. Well, I am good enough to tell the difference, and without a doubt, it is a great ball for those with medium to medium-high club head speeds. For those of us in this category we have found that no other ball provides the all around package of performance that we seek - low spin off the tee, high spin around the greens, perfect in the wind, won't spin too much and balloon like a PROVI or Z-Star on mid to long iron shots, great feel off the putter.

When I caught wind these were being discontinued I stocked up. I have 28 dozen left and in the absence of finding a better ball (and I hope someone does come out with one) these have to last me the rest of my life. I string them out by playing a PRO VI or Penta or Z-Star from time to time, but when I play a round that counts for something the Red is the only ball I'll use.

They are great balls.

I wish you well in your journey to become good enough to tell the difference. Once you do, you will probably regret having made this post.
[/quote]

+1 they are the Perfect ball for high spin players in wivdy conditions and I dont think the B330's even compare . the Penta is much closer IMO than ANY offering from Bridgestone (which I think are junk). Someone else mentioned the Precep tU Tri Tour which was also a very underrated ball.I agree as well.

[msd3075]

[quote name='Sabaka' timestamp='1320518238' post='3763275']
What a clueless post. You think that most people love it because others rave about it? You think the vast majority are not good enough to tell the difference? OK, they are your thoughts, have fun with them.

If you don't mind I'll offer up my thoughts. Well, I am good enough to tell the difference, and without a doubt, it is a great ball for those with medium to medium-high club head speeds. For those of us in this category we have found that no other ball provides the all around package of performance that we seek - low spin off the tee, high spin around the greens, perfect in the wind, won't spin too much and balloon like a PROVI or Z-Star on mid to long iron shots, great feel off the putter.

When I caught wind these were being discontinued I stocked up. I have 28 dozen left and in the absence of finding a better ball (and I hope someone does come out with one) these have to last me the rest of my life. I string them out by playing a PRO VI or Penta or Z-Star from time to time, but when I play a round that counts for something the Red is the only ball I'll use.

They are great balls.

I wish you well in your journey to become good enough to tell the difference. Once you do, you will probably regret having made this post.
[/quote]



I figured that'd eventually hit a nerve with someone on here.

If you think it's that great of a ball, go ahead and play it. You should play whatever works best for your game. All I'm saying is that based on my personal experience the TP Red is a good ball but is by no means head-and-shoulders beyond other offerings. Yes, there are differences, but those differences aren't going to change my game anywhere near enough to improve my scores.

As for the 90+% part, it's just like so many other things people rave about on this site. Whether it be a specific driver shaft, a custom-made putter, or a discontinued golf ball, it seems like so many people here just follow whatever "everyone" seems to think is the best. They perceive a difference in performance, but most of it is just because they've read it so many times that one performs a certain way that they "see" that difference even though it isn't there. It's much like how everyone and their dog on here thinks they need a low launch/spin driver shaft, but I guarantee you (again) 90+% of them have absolutely no clue what they really need (many times it's that they have no clue what their ball flight off the driver should look like or that they need a swing change more than an equipment change).

And trust me, I'm plenty good enough to tell the difference between golf balls, and if anything the TP Red's characteristics should benefit my swing/game/technique. It didn't.

[Neo1]

[quote name='Sabaka' timestamp='1320518238' post='3763275']
[quote name='msd3075' timestamp='1320413553' post='3758401']
I played the TP Red for a while last year after I found a bunch of them stashed away in the corner at my club's pro shop. While it definitely is a low-spin premium ball and does work well, I don't understand the brouhaha over this ball either. Personally, I think 90+% of the people that love the TP Red only say so because others on here rave about it; everything they have heard/read makes them "see" superior results with the TP Red that aren't completely there. The vast majority of those people are no where near good enough or consistent enough to tell a slight difference in performance between balls.

Before the TP Red went a deep discount, there are very little fanfare over the ball. Once everyone tried it and "the word spread", everyone was in love with it

It's like the people that come on here and claim changing from one company's low-spin premium ball to another's low-spin premium ball resultsed a 15-20 yard gain. None of this is based in reality and is all in their head. Or if there are distance difference it was from other variables (wind, temperature, fairway hardness, you took a big dump that morning so you were more flexible, etc.) and was not from simply switching to a ball with slightly different playing characteristics.
[/quote]

What a clueless post. You think that most people love it because others rave about it? You think the vast majority are not good enough to tell the difference? OK, they are your thoughts, have fun with them.

If you don't mind I'll offer up my thoughts. Well, I am good enough to tell the difference, and without a doubt, it is a great ball for those with medium to medium-high club head speeds. For those of us in this category we have found that no other ball provides the all around package of performance that we seek - low spin off the tee, high spin around the greens, perfect in the wind, won't spin too much and balloon like a PROVI or Z-Star on mid to long iron shots, great feel off the putter.

When I caught wind these were being discontinued I stocked up. I have 28 dozen left and in the absence of finding a better ball (and I hope someone does come out with one) these have to last me the rest of my life. I string them out by playing a PRO VI or Penta or Z-Star from time to time, but when I play a round that counts for something the Red is the only ball I'll use.

They are great balls.

I wish you well in your journey to become good enough to tell the difference. Once you do, you will probably regret having made this post.
[/quote]


why do you play z-stars and prov1's along side the tp reds? if your comparing low spin premium balls with others, then you should be playing prov1x and z-star xv....i believe the reason most people like the tp reds is because of the feel, i think its one of the few balls ever made that feels like a "spinny" ball but acts like a low-spin premium ball, like taylormade reversed the feel with the tp black to feel firmer but spin more...that's basically all the hype...regardless of performance it never compared to the prov1x or srixon xv FOR ME.

[Sabaka]

[quote name='miz85uno' timestamp='1320527621' post='3763661']
[quote name='Sabaka' timestamp='1320518238' post='3763275']
[quote name='msd3075' timestamp='1320413553' post='3758401']
I played the TP Red for a while last year after I found a bunch of them stashed away in the corner at my club's pro shop. While it definitely is a low-spin premium ball and does work well, I don't understand the brouhaha over this ball either. Personally, I think 90+% of the people that love the TP Red only say so because others on here rave about it; everything they have heard/read makes them "see" superior results with the TP Red that aren't completely there. The vast majority of those people are no where near good enough or consistent enough to tell a slight difference in performance between balls.

Before the TP Red went a deep discount, there are very little fanfare over the ball. Once everyone tried it and "the word spread", everyone was in love with it

It's like the people that come on here and claim changing from one company's low-spin premium ball to another's low-spin premium ball resultsed a 15-20 yard gain. None of this is based in reality and is all in their head. Or if there are distance difference it was from other variables (wind, temperature, fairway hardness, you took a big dump that morning so you were more flexible, etc.) and was not from simply switching to a ball with slightly different playing characteristics.
[/quote]

What a clueless post. You think that most people love it because others rave about it? You think the vast majority are not good enough to tell the difference? OK, they are your thoughts, have fun with them.

If you don't mind I'll offer up my thoughts. Well, I am good enough to tell the difference, and without a doubt, it is a great ball for those with medium to medium-high club head speeds. For those of us in this category we have found that no other ball provides the all around package of performance that we seek - low spin off the tee, high spin around the greens, perfect in the wind, won't spin too much and balloon like a PROVI or Z-Star on mid to long iron shots, great feel off the putter.

When I caught wind these were being discontinued I stocked up. I have 28 dozen left and in the absence of finding a better ball (and I hope someone does come out with one) these have to last me the rest of my life. I string them out by playing a PRO VI or Penta or Z-Star from time to time, but when I play a round that counts for something the Red is the only ball I'll use.

They are great balls.

I wish you well in your journey to become good enough to tell the difference. Once you do, you will probably regret having made this post.
[/quote]


why do you play z-stars and prov1's along side the tp reds? if your comparing low spin premium balls with others, then you should be playing prov1x and z-star xv....i believe the reason most people like the tp reds is because of the feel, i think its one of the few balls ever made that feels like a "spinny" ball but acts like a low-spin premium ball, like taylormade reversed the feel with the tp black to feel firmer but spin more...that's basically all the hype...regardless of performance it never compared to the prov1x or srixon xv FOR ME.


[/quote]

My swing speed is not great enough to properly compress the PRO VIx, thus my comment that the Red is a better fit for folks like me who have mid to mid-high club head speeds. I have not tried the Srixon XV - what is the recommended club head speed for this ball?