Presidents Cup...Why is this played?

[DRRicks]

Really, the Presidents Cup was derived to get Greg Norman into a Team Event when he was big. He had done so much crying over the years about being excluded that they finally gave up and figured what the hell, we can make some money too.

[saltcity]

If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Watching some of the worlds best golfers playing on a great course...yeah that's terrible idea.

As far as it making money, what's wrong with that?

Profit is not a dirty word.

[teeituphigh]

Ive been lucky enough to play this course and it is SICK. Greens are like glass. They need to be or the course will get eaten alive

[DriveIt"N"3Putt]

[quote name='banno01991' timestamp='1321279043' post='3798377']
I think they should fix it that Woods plays Scott at least once. Tv audiences would be huge
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They did, and then denied doing it.

[pollockjp]

For those of us in the Southern Hemisphere we don't get to see our "Heros" play very often

I live in New Zealand But was born in South Africa.

I cant wait, I fly to Melbourne on Friday will be there Saturday/Sunday

Will get to see Phil,Tiger,Bubba,Ernie,Charl,Retief,Scott,Day,Hunter,Jim

Man that is a awesome list of Golfers

[puttingmatt]

[quote name='mysterymanmarty' timestamp='1321407961' post='3805533']
[quote name='banno01991' timestamp='1321279043' post='3798377']
I think they should fix it that Woods plays Scott at least once. Tv audiences would be huge
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They did, and then denied doing it.
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Exactly, TV is exactly why they did it !!! Rather than letting the golf
take center stage, they are serving up more Tiger , Stevie , and Scott
story lines !!! This is why the Ryder Cup is a better event !!!

[JD3]

For money, plain and simple. I think the PGA tour gets a big a big cut
US players resisted it.
But int'l wanted to get in on Ryder cup action.
Theres no natural affiliation between a guy from Fiji for example and one from Canada.

[Sing Golfer]

As an Australian I will be cheering for the Internationals as much as an American does for the US and a European for Europe.

While it is not a national team like the US or a continental team like Europe it is a team just the same.

Choose any professional sports team in the world; NBA, English Premier League, NFL etc and ask yourself these questions:

1) How many of the players come from the teams city (New York for the Yankees, Machester for Man U etc) - virtually none
2) What % of the global supporter base come from those cities - very little

Ultimately the players and supporters of sporting teams have (generally) little linking them to that team other than; being drafted, having a parent friends follow that team and in some cases living in the city in which the team is based. [u]It is all arbitrary.[/u] Many teams get moved from cities in decline etc - driven by money of course.

This does not these make supporters any less legitimate or passionate. It also means the International team is just as legitimate as any other team (although a bit younger).

I will be cheering for Els and Kim as much as I will be for Day and Scott.

[Ranger Rick]

As a South African it is one of the few times I will happily support an Aussie. And other than Tigers match I hope pretty much every match is won by the International on day 1.

[tembolo1284]

no south americans? We suck! Better stick to footie I suppose.

[Sawgrass]

[quote name='Sing Golfer' timestamp='1321442613' post='3806719']
As an Australian I will be cheering for the Internationals as much as an American does for the US and a European for Europe.

While it is not a national team like the US or a continental team like Europe it is a team just the same.

Choose any professional sports team in the world; NBA, English Premier League, NFL etc and ask yourself these questions:

1) How many of the players come from the teams city (New York for the Yankees, Machester for Man U etc) - virtually none
2) What % of the global supporter base come from those cities - very little

Ultimately the players and supporters of sporting teams have (generally) little linking them to that team other than; being drafted, having a parent friends follow that team and in some cases living in the city in which the team is based. [u]It is all arbitrary.[/u] Many teams get moved from cities in decline etc - driven by money of course.

This does not these make supporters any less legitimate or passionate. It also means the International team is just as legitimate as any other team (although a bit younger).

I will be cheering for Els and Kim as much as I will be for Day and Scott.
[/quote]

Very nicely stated, and quite true.

Let me add on a related issue in this thread that an organizer's doing something "just for TV" or "just to make money" is not evil, inappropriate or even sad. It is only the profit motive that enables any of us to see any professional sport. If you like to watch, learn to embrace it!

[bullie76]

I plan to watch it. I enjoy watching some of the 'off season' events and this is better than most. And I always enjoy the events from down under. That's my dream trip one day, hopefully.

[teejaywhy]

Personally, I find the team matchplay events a thousand times more interesting to watch than the weekly 72-hole stroke play snooze fests.

The 36 hole combo of a fourball, lunch and an afternoon foursome is the soul of golf!

[JD3]

[quote name='Sing Golfer' timestamp='1321442613' post='3806719']
As an Australian I will be cheering for the Internationals as much as an American does for the US and a European for Europe.

While it is not a national team like the US or a continental team like Europe it is a team just the same.

Choose any professional sports team in the world; NBA, English Premier League, NFL etc and ask yourself these questions:

1) How many of the players come from the teams city (New York for the Yankees, Machester for Man U etc) - virtually none
2) What % of the global supporter base come from those cities - very little

Ultimately the players and supporters of sporting teams have (generally) little linking them to that team other than; being drafted, having a parent friends follow that team and in some cases living in the city in which the team is based. [u]It is all arbitrary.[/u] Many teams get moved from cities in decline etc - driven by money of course.

This does not these make supporters any less legitimate or passionate. It also means the International team is just as legitimate as any other team (although a bit younger).

I will be cheering for Els and Kim as much as I will be for Day and Scott.
[/quote]
Players on these teams dont represent their countries. It's arguable they don't represent the city either, the team itself does. If you want to say they represent their cities at least consider they spend the whole year together as a team and every event they participate in is for the same team. The independent contractors that make up the presidents cup international squad come from a more geographically diverse base and only come together for one event every 2 years.

[stevopagolf]

[quote name='MrElculver2424' timestamp='1321226979' post='3796609']
I will say this, though: I think it's unfair for the players of Europe, as well as those from other international countries, because they can only play in this "team event" every two years. The Americans get to do it every year...the Ryder Cup and the Presidents Cup. Rory McIlroy, and others, for example, are only allowed to participate in the Ryder Cup. So that's a bit unfair.
[/quote]
THe Euros have their version called the Seve Cup. The mainlanders vs the islands or some mishmosh. So don't feel bad for them.

The absurdity of it is its the Internationals vs. the US and 90% of the "Internationals" reside in the US. Most of these guys play each other in the Tavistock Cup which features Lake Nona vs Isleworth.

Norman the captain lives in Florida for the past 25 years as does his assistant Nobilo

Badds and Oglivie live in AZ

Adam Scott---Switzerland of course.

KJ Choi...Texas

Allenby, FL

Ernie Els, FL

RYO does live in Japan

Schwartzel is primarily South Africa

Jason Day is split Aus/FL

YE Yang...Texas

I like the event but it PALES in comparison to the RYDER CUP. More like the Skins game and Wendys three tour challenge.

[Elrae58]

I think we can all agree that is a wondeful promotion for golf regardless of anything else.

It's refreshing to push the $$$ to the background for a change and watch the guys play for their pride.

[MtlJeff]

[quote name='stevopagolf' timestamp='1321488603' post='3810079']
[quote name='MrElculver2424' timestamp='1321226979' post='3796609']
I will say this, though: I think it's unfair for the players of Europe, as well as those from other international countries, because they can only play in this "team event" every two years. The Americans get to do it every year...the Ryder Cup and the Presidents Cup. Rory McIlroy, and others, for example, are only allowed to participate in the Ryder Cup. So that's a bit unfair.
[/quote]
THe Euros have their version called the Seve Cup. The mainlanders vs the islands or some mishmosh. So don't feel bad for them.

The absurdity of it is its the Internationals vs. the US and 90% of the "Internationals" reside in the US. Most of these guys play each other in the Tavistock Cup which features Lake Nona vs Isleworth.

Norman the captain lives in Florida for the past 25 years as does his assistant Nobilo

Badds and Oglivie live in AZ

Adam Scott---Switzerland of course.

KJ Choi...Texas

Allenby, FL

Ernie Els, FL

RYO does live in Japan

Schwartzel is primarily South Africa

Jason Day is split Aus/FL

YE Yang...Texas

I like the event but it PALES in comparison to the RYDER CUP. More like the Skins game and Wendys three tour challenge.
[/quote]

I don't really think that's relevant. This comes up a lot when discussing any sport, as if living in the US takes away your sense of nationality if you are from somewhere else.

17 out of the 21 players on the US men's Soccer team play in Europe. I doubt they feel like they are from Germany or England come world cup time

[PavinsHat]

Now that the event's started, we see that Royal Melbourne is just Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods. Same green complexes, same false fronts, etc. If the wind blows, then things change. But right now, I fail to see how this course is "unlike anything you've ever seen." Just a lot of hype from people like Mike Clayton.

[stevopagolf]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1321495301' post='3810675']
[quote name='stevopagolf' timestamp='1321488603' post='3810079']
[quote name='MrElculver2424' timestamp='1321226979' post='3796609']
I will say this, though: I think it's unfair for the players of Europe, as well as those from other international countries, because they can only play in this "team event" every two years. The Americans get to do it every year...the Ryder Cup and the Presidents Cup. Rory McIlroy, and others, for example, are only allowed to participate in the Ryder Cup. So that's a bit unfair.
[/quote]
THe Euros have their version called the Seve Cup. The mainlanders vs the islands or some mishmosh. So don't feel bad for them.

The absurdity of it is its the Internationals vs. the US and 90% of the "Internationals" reside in the US. Most of these guys play each other in the Tavistock Cup which features Lake Nona vs Isleworth.

Norman the captain lives in Florida for the past 25 years as does his assistant Nobilo

Badds and Oglivie live in AZ

Adam Scott---Switzerland of course.

KJ Choi...Texas

Allenby, FL

Ernie Els, FL

RYO does live in Japan

Schwartzel is primarily South Africa

Jason Day is split Aus/FL

YE Yang...Texas

I like the event but it PALES in comparison to the RYDER CUP. More like the Skins game and Wendys three tour challenge.
[/quote]

I don't really think that's relevant. This comes up a lot when discussing any sport, as if living in the US takes away your sense of nationality if you are from somewhere else.

17 out of the 21 players on the US men's Soccer team play in Europe. I doubt they feel like they are from Germany or England come world cup time
[/quote]
You're entitled to your opinion on what is relevant for sure. My opinion is why this event pales in comparison to the Ryder Cup.
Theres not much of a Soccer league in the US. Its like dominicans and baseball.
Ryder Cup the Euros, many of them, are defending their tour as much as the European team. And their is a home team advantage because of it. they are all Europeans.
The International nature of President's typically means no home team for the internationals, this year (and when it was in South Africa) is a bit different due to the number of Aussies but when they go to Korea?

So to use your argument on nationality applies to 4 players in this event ---not too much national pride involved given those numbers.

Many of these guys play in the Tavistock Cup each year which is like a GAP match.

Its a fun event but no Ryder Cup never will be.

[hogans71]

Now that the event's started, we see that Royal Melbourne is just Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods. Same green complexes, same false fronts, etc. If the wind blows, then things change. But right now, I fail to see how this course is "unlike anything you've ever seen." Just a lot of hype from people like Mike Clayton.

 

You got that after seeing two holes. Man,you got skills...

 

Play it, then come back to us...

[MtlJeff]

[quote name='stevopagolf' timestamp='1321499513' post='3811139']
[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1321495301' post='3810675']
[quote name='stevopagolf' timestamp='1321488603' post='3810079']
[quote name='MrElculver2424' timestamp='1321226979' post='3796609']
I will say this, though: I think it's unfair for the players of Europe, as well as those from other international countries, because they can only play in this "team event" every two years. The Americans get to do it every year...the Ryder Cup and the Presidents Cup. Rory McIlroy, and others, for example, are only allowed to participate in the Ryder Cup. So that's a bit unfair.
[/quote]
THe Euros have their version called the Seve Cup. The mainlanders vs the islands or some mishmosh. So don't feel bad for them.

The absurdity of it is its the Internationals vs. the US and 90% of the "Internationals" reside in the US. Most of these guys play each other in the Tavistock Cup which features Lake Nona vs Isleworth.

Norman the captain lives in Florida for the past 25 years as does his assistant Nobilo

Badds and Oglivie live in AZ

Adam Scott---Switzerland of course.

KJ Choi...Texas

Allenby, FL

Ernie Els, FL

RYO does live in Japan

Schwartzel is primarily South Africa

Jason Day is split Aus/FL

YE Yang...Texas

I like the event but it PALES in comparison to the RYDER CUP. More like the Skins game and Wendys three tour challenge.
[/quote]

I don't really think that's relevant. This comes up a lot when discussing any sport, as if living in the US takes away your sense of nationality if you are from somewhere else.

17 out of the 21 players on the US men's Soccer team play in Europe. I doubt they feel like they are from Germany or England come world cup time
[/quote]
You're entitled to your opinion on what is relevant for sure. My opinion is why this event pales in comparison to the Ryder Cup.
Theres not much of a Soccer league in the US. Its like dominicans and baseball.
Ryder Cup the Euros, many of them, are defending their tour as much as the European team. And their is a home team advantage because of it. they are all Europeans.
The International nature of President's typically means no home team for the internationals, this year (and when it was in South Africa) is a bit different due to the number of Aussies but when they go to Korea?

So to use your argument on nationality applies to 4 players in this event ---not too much national pride involved given those numbers.

Many of these guys play in the Tavistock Cup each year which is like a GAP match.

Its a fun event but no Ryder Cup never will be.
[/quote]

Oh i agree 100% the ryder cup is better. And yes it's better because there's more national pride. I just don't think it has anything to do with where the players live during the season. In any given year many of the Euros live in the US too (like Rory next year, pretty sure Poulter lives in Florida, Paul Casey in Arizona etc etc). I actually don't think we disagree at all i just misunderstood your point

[MtlJeff]

Now that the event's started, we see that Royal Melbourne is just Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods. Same green complexes, same false fronts, etc. If the wind blows, then things change. But right now, I fail to see how this course is "unlike anything you've ever seen." Just a lot of hype from people like Mike Clayton.

 

You got that after seeing two holes. Man,you got skills...

 

Play it, then come back to us...

 

calling a course Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods actually sounds like a huge compliment. I mean Augusta is like the golf holy land LOL. Someone can call me Brad Pitt without the money or something like that....and i'm not going to be mad at them

[Sing Golfer]

Now that the event's started, we see that Royal Melbourne is just Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods. Same green complexes, same false fronts, etc. If the wind blows, then things change. But right now, I fail to see how this course is "unlike anything you've ever seen." Just a lot of hype from people like Mike Clayton.

 

You got that after seeing two holes. Man,you got skills...

 

Play it, then come back to us...

 

calling a course Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods actually sounds like a huge compliment. I mean Augusta is like the golf holy land LOL. Someone can call me Brad Pitt without the money or something like that....and i'm not going to be mad at them

 

It would be more correct to call Augusta National 'Royal Melbourne with azaleas' given RM came first

 

 

 

[Bee-Man]

[b]PETER Thomson won five British Opens, three Australian Opens and was inducted into golf 's Hall of Fame, but the best thing he ever did was captain the International team to victory in the 1998 Presidents Cup. [/b] "It was a very joyous occasion," Thomson said. "To be captain of that bunch of young players was a wonderful experience for me.

"The other things are very selfish things -- there is no one to bother you and sometimes you win. But playing with a team is something different.

"It's belonging. Everybody wants to belong -- family, church, something. This is the only way you do it in golf for those who are not Europeans or Americans, to belong to a Presidents Cup team."

[putt4_66]

Just wondering the thoughts of the GOLFWRX community why this tournament is played and what does it mean? I think it's a waste of time and doesn't mean a thing...players don't get payed and yes the profits if any go to some charity that pockets the money...why is it that big of deal? Thoughts??

 

-1000

 

[goplutus]

RM is just like Augusta minus the dogwoods, azaleas, trees, manicured bunkers, lush conditions and bermuda grass. So, yeah, it's pretty much just the same course.

[teejaywhy]

[quote name='PavinsHat' timestamp='1321499282' post='3811119']
Now that the event's started, we see that Royal Melbourne is just Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods. Same green complexes, same false fronts, etc. If the wind blows, then things change. But right now, I fail to see how this course is "unlike anything you've ever seen." Just a lot of hype from people like Mike Clayton.
[/quote]

Golf mag ranks it 13 in the world. Must be something there. Looks spectacular on TV but I've never played it so I'll defer to you since you apparently have played it and Augusta.

[ColdFyre]

I say get rid of the Ryder Cup altogether and make the Pres cup US vs The World. (personally, I can do without either of them, but to have 2 team competitions and now the Olympics on top of it all just seems overkill)

[PavinsHat]

[quote name='tjy355' timestamp='1321559477' post='3814397']
[quote name='PavinsHat' timestamp='1321499282' post='3811119']
Now that the event's started, we see that Royal Melbourne is just Augusta National without the azaleas and dogwoods. Same green complexes, same false fronts, etc. If the wind blows, then things change. But right now, I fail to see how this course is "unlike anything you've ever seen." Just a lot of hype from people like Mike Clayton.
[/quote]

Golf mag ranks it 13 in the world. Must be something there. Looks spectacular on TV but I've never played it so I'll defer to you since you apparently have played it and Augusta.
[/quote]

Show me where I said RM isn't a great course. It is a great course, but it's not unique. And people were saying it would befuddle the U.S. team, which it hasn't. At all.

[goplutus]

I think it's a bit unique relative to what we see on the US tours. The inability to land a 7 iron and stop it within a foot is unique. It's under 7,000 yds yet still tough. The wind today will add a new dimension.