Presidents Cup 2011 Discussion Thread (merged)

[Green Valley]

Stricter and Watney sit out. Good call freddie.

[Green Valley]

[quote name='Redman' timestamp='1321594585' post='3816897']
Not sure what the point of Phil needing a putting coach was based on my comments about Tiger, but no I don't think he does. I personally think that just puts way more thoughts and technique in both of their heads. They both always have had terrific feel and that is most important in putting. I will say Phil would need it before Tiger though. As good of a putter as Phil has been at times he was never close to Tiger - especially when it had to be made.

As far as sitting someone out, I think it would be Tiger and DJ. I doubt very much that Freddie will sit Tiger but maybe it would piss him off enough to get his sh!t in gear. Plus maybe he could practice his old putting stroke all morning and finally make something.
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Did you see Tiger eagle putt today that he miss by a inch? How about his 25 foot putt that he put in the center of the cup. I didn't see any of that from Phil today.

[poizster]

I have a feeling Tiger will end up pressing tomorrow, especially since he is playing Scott again and go 0-3-0. I hope I'm wrong, but I see him and DJ getting waxed by the consistency of Scott/Choi.

[QMany]

I think the International team missed a good opportunity today. With the wind out of the South and the course playing the hardest it possibly could, it seems that would be when their home course advantage would prevail. They didn't capitalize today.

I thought Tiger played pretty well today. Putt here and there falls and it is a different score.

Damn, Tiger's 80 foot eagle putt was closer to going in than DJ's 4 foot birdie putt on 17 that they desperately needed.

[DriveIt"N"3Putt]

[quote name='Green Valley' timestamp='1321597472' post='3817029']
[quote name='Redman' timestamp='1321594585' post='3816897']
Not sure what the point of Phil needing a putting coach was based on my comments about Tiger, but no I don't think he does. I personally think that just puts way more thoughts and technique in both of their heads. They both always have had terrific feel and that is most important in putting. I will say Phil would need it before Tiger though. As good of a putter as Phil has been at times he was never close to Tiger - especially when it had to be made.

As far as sitting someone out, I think it would be Tiger and DJ. I doubt very much that Freddie will sit Tiger but maybe it would piss him off enough to get his sh!t in gear. Plus maybe he could practice his old putting stroke all morning and finally make something.
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Did you see Tiger eagle putt today that he miss by a inch? How about his 25 foot putt that he put in the center of the cup. I didn't see any of that from Phil today.
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Watching the highlights it showed how much tigers partners really did not contribute at all. Dj had zero birdies!

[idrive]

I am really enjoying the PC

Players play different every day. Hot one day, maybe hot or not the next day.

New day tomorrow, new games. This is fun

[Green Valley]

[quote name='mysterymanmarty' timestamp='1321597628' post='3817039']
[quote name='Green Valley' timestamp='1321597472' post='3817029']
[quote name='Redman' timestamp='1321594585' post='3816897']
Not sure what the point of Phil needing a putting coach was based on my comments about Tiger, but no I don't think he does. I personally think that just puts way more thoughts and technique in both of their heads. They both always have had terrific feel and that is most important in putting. I will say Phil would need it before Tiger though. As good of a putter as Phil has been at times he was never close to Tiger - especially when it had to be made.

As far as sitting someone out, I think it would be Tiger and DJ. I doubt very much that Freddie will sit Tiger but maybe it would piss him off enough to get his sh!t in gear. Plus maybe he could practice his old putting stroke all morning and finally make something.
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Did you see Tiger eagle putt today that he miss by a inch? How about his 25 foot putt that he put in the center of the cup. I didn't see any of that from Phil today.
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Watching the highlights it showed how much tigers partners really did not contribute at all. Dj had zero birdies!
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Exactly, I watched the whole thing. Tiger looked fine.

[RainShadow]

[quote name='triplebogeyblues' timestamp='1321593984' post='3816873']
[quote name='SteveL1' timestamp='1321593924' post='3816867']
So who should sit out tomorrow? Tiger? Stricker?
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Dustin Johnson
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Yep.
DJ can't chip or make a putt. Just another bomber with no short game and 1/2 a brain........Sit him down.

[Maliboothby]

[quote name='QMany' timestamp='1321597550' post='3817035']
I think the International team missed a good opportunity today. With the wind out of the South and the course playing the hardest it possibly could, it seems that would be when their home course advantage would prevail. They didn't capitalize today.

I thought Tiger played pretty well today. Putt here and there falls and it is a different score.

Damn, Tiger's 80 foot eagle putt was closer to going in than DJ's 4 foot birdie putt on 17 that they desperately needed.
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There were some players on both teams much worse than Tiger today and not many that were better.

But some simpletons just look at 0-2 and claim he was bad.

[scratchswinger]

So Tiger get's his shot to redeem the slaughter of day 1.

7:00 AM Simpson/Watson Allenby/Ogilvy
7:12 AM Haas/Kuchar Els/Ishikawa
7:24 AM Mahan/Toms Goosen/Schwartzel
7:36 AM Woods/Johnson Scott/Choi
7:48 AM Mickelson/Furyk Baddeley/Day

[QMany]

I think those matchups benefit the US.

I see:

US
US
INT
INT
US

[QMany]

Watson/Simpson and Mickelson/Furyk are playing NICE. 2 points US.

Ernie can't get the Ishikawa anchor off his neck. 1 point US.

Internationals take the other two.

[Maliboothby]

I like the President`s Cup format way better than the Ryder Cup.

The way they set the matchups is way better.

All the players playing the first 2 matches is way better.

The 4 players who sit tomorrow morning have to play in the afternoon.

It is a much truer test for the best team with the most depth of talent to win.

[QMany]

[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321598872' post='3817095']
I like the President`s Cup format way better than the Ryder Cup.

The way they set the matchups is way better.

All the players playing the first 2 matches is way better.

The 4 players who sit tomorrow morning have to play in the afternoon.

It is a much truer test for the best team with the most depth of talent to win.
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I completely agree. You can't hide players. [i]See[/i] Europe's failed 1999 Ryder Cup strategy.

[DriveIt"N"3Putt]

Norman just wasted Scott and choi to beat up on woods and dj, why do that? Oh, I forgot Norman hates woods.

[Maliboothby]

[quote name='Green Valley' timestamp='1321598093' post='3817053']
[quote name='mysterymanmarty' timestamp='1321597628' post='3817039']
[quote name='Green Valley' timestamp='1321597472' post='3817029']
[quote name='Redman' timestamp='1321594585' post='3816897']
Not sure what the point of Phil needing a putting coach was based on my comments about Tiger, but no I don't think he does. I personally think that just puts way more thoughts and technique in both of their heads. They both always have had terrific feel and that is most important in putting. I will say Phil would need it before Tiger though. As good of a putter as Phil has been at times he was never close to Tiger - especially when it had to be made.

As far as sitting someone out, I think it would be Tiger and DJ. I doubt very much that Freddie will sit Tiger but maybe it would piss him off enough to get his sh!t in gear. Plus maybe he could practice his old putting stroke all morning and finally make something.
[/quote]

Did you see Tiger eagle putt today that he miss by a inch? How about his 25 foot putt that he put in the center of the cup. I didn't see any of that from Phil today.
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Watching the highlights it showed how much tigers partners really did not contribute at all. Dj had zero birdies!
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Exactly, I watched the whole thing. Tiger looked fine.
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Tiger was one of the best players that I saw today.
I think both teams have much more to be worried about than Tiger Woods.

People who judge Woods on 12 holes of alternate shot with a struggling partner don`t have a clue.

[Golfnutgalen]

Hey guys, new to the forum here, but I have been a lurker for quite some time.

Anyway, disappointing to say the least about Tiger Woods losing two matches in succession. If only that eagle putt had dropped, or that 5 footer on the first, or that chip on the last, ugh! (and yes, I'm aware that you could say the same about anyone)

Ishikawa is such a good putter, but his long game hasn't been anywhere near consistent.

Here's how I expect tomorrow to play out:

7:00 AM Simpson/Watson Allenby/Ogilvy [b]Tie[/b]
7:12 AM Haas/Kuchar Els/Ishikawa [b]USA[/b]
7:24 AM Mahan/Toms Goosen/Schwartzel[b] INT[/b]
7:36 AM Woods/Johnson Scott/Choi [b]USA [/b](I hope)
7:48 AM Mickelson/Furyk Baddeley/Day [b]INT[/b]

[Shavanni]

[quote name='Bellyhungry' timestamp='1321588038' post='3816455']
How come this week they don't have those annoying birds they had last week?
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Different city
Melbourne is 600 miles from Sydney

[ron lefthanded holmes]

[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321599775' post='3817131']

[b]Tiger was one of the best players that I saw today.[/b]
I think both teams have much more to be worried about than Tiger Woods.

[b]People who judge Woods on 12 holes of alternate shot with a struggling partner don`t have a clue.[/b]
[/quote]

but how come your judging him saying he is playing fine then

[cinnepa]

calm down Hunter....as someone mentioned earlier - just doesn't look right. needs to take it down a notch.

[nochct1]

[quote name='TheMackDaddy' timestamp='1321592980' post='3816815']
Sorry IMHO, he not going to get much better. He has too much ego to leave driver in the bag, his putting isn't great, although he can improve that.[quote name='mysterymanmarty' timestamp='1321592816' post='3816801']
[quote name='TheMackDaddy' timestamp='1321592562' post='3816773']
Well everyone is playing the same track...[quote name='mysterymanmarty' timestamp='1321592251' post='3816757']
[quote name='TheMackDaddy' timestamp='1321591950' post='3816729']
I think I've lost all hope in Tiger officially. I really thought he would excel in this match play format. But IMO Tiger is officially hopeless. He might win a few tournements later, but I highly doubt he will ever dominate the game again.
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you have to realize that this is the hardest course these guys will play all year, on 17 I'm sure that tiger expected his ball to take a big hop.
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this is a match play event, not the be all end all of the rest of tigers career. meaning theres still plenty of time for tiger to get even better, short game is already back.
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So you're basing this on his t-30 at the frys, t-3 at the australian open and how he has played in alternate shot and best ball?

Are you sure you don't WANT tiger to come back as opposed to truly believing that he won't come back? Perhaps finding out about him banging porn stars has affected you a little too much.

[Vindog]

[quote name='ron lefthanded holmes' timestamp='1321605216' post='3817249']
[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321599775' post='3817131']
[b]Tiger was one of the best players that I saw today.[/b]
I think both teams have much more to be worried about than Tiger Woods.

[b]People who judge Woods on 12 holes of alternate shot with a struggling partner don`t have a clue.[/b]
[/quote]

but how come your judging him saying he is playing fine then
[/quote]

snap goes the trap

[Vindog]

[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321598371' post='3817067']

There were some players on both teams much worse than Tiger today and not many that were better.

But some simpletons just look at 0-2 and claim he was bad.
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Tiger would probably be the first to tell you that getting the win is all that matters.

Did he play particularly poorly? no. but he's 0-2 and he'd tell you those are poor results.

[Maliboothby]

[quote name='ron lefthanded holmes' timestamp='1321605216' post='3817249']
[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321599775' post='3817131']
[b]Tiger was one of the best players that I saw today.[/b]
I think both teams have much more to be worried about than Tiger Woods.

[b]People who judge Woods on 12 holes of alternate shot with a struggling partner don`t have a clue.[/b]
[/quote]

but how come your judging him saying he is playing fine then
[/quote]
What part of "Tiger was one of the best players that I saw today" do you find so difficult to comprehend?

That is not a claim that he is ready to dominate the game again, unlike idiots who claim that this validates their wet dreams that he is done.

[Maliboothby]

[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1321623915' post='3817645']
[quote name='ron lefthanded holmes' timestamp='1321605216' post='3817249']
[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321599775' post='3817131']
[b]Tiger was one of the best players that I saw today.[/b]
I think both teams have much more to be worried about than Tiger Woods.

[b]People who judge Woods on 12 holes of alternate shot with a struggling partner don`t have a clue.[/b]
[/quote]

but how come your judging him saying he is playing fine then
[/quote]

snap goes the trap
[/quote]

At least you are consistent.

[mshills]

This President's Cup has been great to watch. I love watching any event that involves match play, and you have to love coming home and having live golf on in prime time here on the east coast of the US.

I know someone who has played Royal Melbourne and he says it has to be one of the 5 finest golf courses in the world. After watching this competition, I think he's right. It has to be right there with Pine Valley, Cypress Point, Muirfield, Augusta National, et. al.

Can't wait to see more.

[Vindog]

[quote name='mshills' timestamp='1321625701' post='3817729']
This President's Cup has been great to watch. I love watching any event that involves match play, and you have to love coming home and having live golf on in prime time here on the east coast of the US.

I know someone who has played Royal Melbourne and he says it has to be one of the 5 finest golf courses in the world. After watching this competition, I think he's right. It has to be right there with Pine Valley, Cypress Point, Muirfield, Augusta National, et. al.

Can't wait to see more.
[/quote]

unbelievable looking course. I love the bunkers.

[Maliboothby]

[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1321624254' post='3817655']
[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321598371' post='3817067']
There were some players on both teams much worse than Tiger today and not many that were better.

But some simpletons just look at 0-2 and claim he was bad.
[/quote]

Tiger would probably be the first to tell you that getting the win is all that matters.

Did he play particularly poorly? no. but he's 0-2 and he'd tell you those are poor results.
[/quote]
Of course 0-2 is a poor result.
Thank you for stating the obvious.

12 holes of alternate shot is not even the equivalent of 6 holes of golf yet we have idiots who think that this shows that Woods is washed up.

[bscinstnct]

[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1321624254' post='3817655']
[quote name='Maliboothby' timestamp='1321598371' post='3817067']
There were some players on both teams much worse than Tiger today and not many that were better.

But some simpletons just look at 0-2 and claim he was bad.
[/quote]

Tiger would probably be the first to tell you that getting the win is all that matters.

Did he play particularly poorly? no. but he's 0-2 and he'd tell you those are poor results.
[/quote]

Yer darn tootin'-Spanky

Goose egg is the worst, and it sounds like he a Stricker got housed, he must be getting pretty mad right about now.

[eisen99]

[quote name='Golfnutgalen' timestamp='1321601000' post='3817159']<br />Hey guys, new to the forum here, but I have been a lurker for quite some time.<br /><br />Anyway, disappointing to say the least about Tiger Woods losing two matches in succession. If only that eagle putt had dropped, or that 5 footer on the first, or that chip on the last, ugh! (and yes, I'm aware that you could say the same about anyone)<br /><br />Ishikawa is such a good putter, but his long game hasn't been anywhere near consistent. <br /><br />Here's how I expect tomorrow to play out:<br /><br />7:00 AM  Simpson/Watson Allenby/Ogilvy <b>Tie</b><br />7:12 AM  Haas/Kuchar  Els/Ishikawa <b>USA</b><br />7:24 AM  Mahan/Toms Goosen/Schwartzel<b> INT</b><br />7:36 AM  Woods/Johnson Scott/Choi <b>USA </b>(I hope)<br />7:48 AM  Mickelson/Furyk Baddeley/Day <b>INT</b><br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />


I'm seeing those pairing as an advantage for the internationals as well. The only one I think is a clear US winner is the first pairing (I'm just not hot on Allenby)....I think Ernie and Ryo will actually pull through in this one....I could see the internationals walk away with 3.5 to 4 point in those.