It's official: USGA, R&A propose anchor ban

[tv23]

[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1354124686' post='5990219'] [quote name='tv23' timestamp='1354124481' post='5990201'] i'm [b]happy[/b] because...[list] [*]traffic on the website i own, [url="http://www.dictionary.com"]www.dictionary.com[/url], is way up in the last hour. seems due to the keyword search [i]"bifurcation" [/i] [*]steve williams will make less money and nobody deserves less money than steve williams [*]i always thought it was cheating and am glad it's gone. i tried it for 1 round and was disgusted with myself. my head said it was within the rules, but my gut wanted to puke. this is the right move [*]i can't stand keegan bradley and webb simpson... and slightly off topic, but they both have male boobies which is a total juxtaposition on skinny dudes. [/list] i'm [b]sad [/b]because...[list] [*]it's delayed to 2016. put it in now. [*]my favorite golfer of all time, ernie els, will have a difficult time winning again. this hurts me (and the game of golf at large) [*]adam scott will be mediocre. once again. what a shame considering he has the best swing in golf [*]carl pettersson is a good dude, but he will suffer, and i don't like when good dudes have to suffer [*]kevin stadler may actually hurt himself if he has to use a short putter [/list] i'm [b]angry[/b] because...[list] [*]i will have to listen to rich "bison-head" lerner, who is intolerable at the best of times, even when there is no controversy in the game [*]in general, dumb people make me angry. many amateurs and hacks alike think they have to abide by the new rule. they don't realize they can play with belly putters, old grooves, and non-conforming drivers. whatever helps you enjoy the game man. get over it. [*]i can't handle all the "bad back" stories and it's only been a few hours since the announcement. i'm the canadian version of fred couples, and add to that bad knees to boot..... but it would take a heck of lot more than aches and pains to keep me off the golf course. there's nothing else i'd rather be doing. doesn't anyone use alieve? [/list] [/quote] I'm ANGRY because... I won't get the 30 seconds of my life back for reading this dreck... [/quote]

firstly you read too slow if it took 30 seconds. thus you may be one of the "dumb people" i refer to in the post. fitting.
secondly, it's all true, thus it cannot be "dreck", which coincidentally has also spiked visits to [url="http://www.dictionary.com"]www.dictionary.com[/url]

[inpresX]

Yay, anchoring will be allowed until 1/1/16. This is a huge victory for anchored putters. 3 years is a long time, who knows if I'll still be playing golf in 2016.

I really don't understand what a rules cycle is. Rules should be black and white.

[Russ757]

So im listening to the 'heads' try and explain why they decided to go this route... pretty sad.

Lol "so if its not an advantage, and you don't have imperical data supporting it"... just say we didn't like it, so we changed it.

[mmack067]

[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
[/quote]


still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and (c) the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.

[hogans71]

[quote name='tv23' timestamp='1354125136' post='5990265']
[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1354124686' post='5990219'] [quote name='tv23' timestamp='1354124481' post='5990201'] i'm [b]happy[/b] because...[list] [*]traffic on the website i own, [url="http://www.dictionary.com"]www.dictionary.com[/url], is way up in the last hour. seems due to the keyword search [i]"bifurcation" [/i] [*]steve williams will make less money and nobody deserves less money than steve williams [*]i always thought it was cheating and am glad it's gone. i tried it for 1 round and was disgusted with myself. my head said it was within the rules, but my gut wanted to puke. this is the right move [*]i can't stand keegan bradley and webb simpson... and slightly off topic, but they both have male boobies which is a total juxtaposition on skinny dudes. [/list] i'm [b]sad [/b]because...[list] [*]it's delayed to 2016. put it in now. [*]my favorite golfer of all time, ernie els, will have a difficult time winning again. this hurts me (and the game of golf at large) [*]adam scott will be mediocre. once again. what a shame considering he has the best swing in golf [*]carl pettersson is a good dude, but he will suffer, and i don't like when good dudes have to suffer [*]kevin stadler may actually hurt himself if he has to use a short putter [/list] i'm [b]angry[/b] because...[list] [*]i will have to listen to rich "bison-head" lerner, who is intolerable at the best of times, even when there is no controversy in the game [*]in general, dumb people make me angry. many amateurs and hacks alike think they have to abide by the new rule. they don't realize they can play with belly putters, old grooves, and non-conforming drivers. whatever helps you enjoy the game man. get over it. [*]i can't handle all the "bad back" stories and it's only been a few hours since the announcement. i'm the canadian version of fred couples, and add to that bad knees to boot..... but it would take a heck of lot more than aches and pains to keep me off the golf course. there's nothing else i'd rather be doing. doesn't anyone use alieve? [/list] [/quote] I'm ANGRY because... I won't get the 30 seconds of my life back for reading this dreck... [/quote]

firstly you read too slow if it took 30 seconds. thus you may be one of the "dumb people" i refer to in the post. fitting.
secondly, it's all true, thus it cannot be "dreck", which coincidentally has also spiked visits to [url="http://www.dictionary.com"]www.dictionary.com[/url]
[/quote]

In a slight reread of select thoughts, I was hoping for a bit of info that would suggest this was the actual work of an adult. Sadly, there is nothing there that would suggest that. Moreover, just because you feel it's true doesn't make it so, further reaffirming my belief that no adult would dare take credit...

I now know of a certain website I will not frequent, however. So you have that going for you...

[Fatz]

By far the worse way of banning anchored putting.

You mean to tell me the Kuchar forearm style is not intentional anchoring but Belly and Long putters are?

Bogus, all 3 forms are anchored and cheating. Ban one, ban all. I say.

Also, what is with the notion that you can anchor forearms and elbows with short putter legally, but an anchored forearm or elbow against the body with a long putter is not legal. Same damn thing, different length putter.

I foresee the ban happening and do not anchor anymore but use a mid putter length and weight... That's fine...

But you have to ban it all. Forearm anchor has 8-10" worth of shaft/grip braced to the body taking out the hands.... Belly putting and long putting is 1" grip butt circumference. Totally bogus.

Same for allowing short putter body part anchoring, but deeming an anchored into the body elbow or forearm with a long putter illegal. BOGUS!

Rework the wording and ban it all USGA, otherwise you are picking on only a fraction of the anchored use. And more specifically the belly and long anchored users only.

The Kuchar style has to go with the belly, no if ands or buts.

[gators78]

[quote name='golfnhack' timestamp='1354125077' post='5990257']
Good riddance.... hopefully I will have a better chance in FSGA/USGA events now.
[/quote]

Yea, looks like you'll have to come up with a different excuse for not winning going forward.

[robbie91]

I bet a lot of the long putter guys will go to the Kuchar method .. grip resting against forearm. I've tried it and it is does pretty much the same thing as anchoring the club.

[mmack067]

[quote name='Fatz' timestamp='1354125749' post='5990305']
By far the worse way of banning anchored putting.

You mean to tell me the Kuchar forearm style is not intentional anchoring but Belly and Long putters are?

Bogus, all 3 forms are anchored and cheating. Ban one, ban all. I say.

Also, what is with the notion that you can anchor forearms and elbows with short putter legally, but an anchored forearm or elbow against the body with a long putter is not legal. Same damn thing, different length putter.

I foresee the ban happening and do not anchor anymore but use a mid putter length and weight... That's fine...

But you have to ban it all. Forearm anchor has 8-10" worth of shaft/grip braced to the body taking out the hands.... Belly putting and long putting is 1" grip butt circumference. Totally bogus.

Same for allowing short putter body part anchoring, but deeming an anchored into the body elbow or forearm with a long putter illegal. BOGUS!

Rework the wording and ban it all USGA, otherwise you are picking on only a fraction of the anchored use. And more specifically the belly and long anchored users only.

The Kuchar style has to go with the belly, no if ands or buts.
[/quote]

When you anchor your elbow or forearm with a long putter you are creating a fulcrum, this isn't the case with a short putter and it has to "swing freely"

[BirdieBob]

[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354125572' post='5990297']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
[/quote]


still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and © the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.
[/quote]


There is NO unusual equipment being used.

"Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use [b]any artificial device or unusual equipment [/b](see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), [b]or use any equipment in an unusual manner[/b]:"


FAIL

NEXT?

[mmack067]

[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354126012' post='5990331']
[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354125572' post='5990297']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
[/quote]


still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and © the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.
[/quote]


There is NO unusual equipment being used.

"Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use [b]any artificial device or unusual equipment [/b](see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), [b]or use any equipment in an unusual manner[/b]:"


FAIL

NEXT?
[/quote]

Dude, it was a clever idea but....


4. Clothing (Rule 14-3)
Articles of clothing must not incorporate features:
• designed to assist the player with his alignment; or
• that might otherwise assist the player in making a stroke or in his play.

[BirdieBob]

[b]Note 1[/b]: The club is anchored “directly” when the player intentionally holds the club or a gripping hand in contact with any part of[u][i][b] his [/b][/i][/u]body, except that the player may hold the club or a gripping hand against a hand or forearm.

[b]Note 2[/b]: An “anchor point” exists when the player intentionally holds a forearm in contact with any part of [u][i][b]his[/b][/i][/u] body to establish a gripping hand as a stable point around which the other hand may swing the club.


Should this not be "their" ?

[BirdieBob]

[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354126134' post='5990347']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354126012' post='5990331']
[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354125572' post='5990297']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
[/quote]


still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and © the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.
[/quote]


There is NO unusual equipment being used.

"Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use [b]any artificial device or unusual equipment [/b](see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), [b]or use any equipment in an unusual manner[/b]:"


FAIL

NEXT?
[/quote]

Dude, it was a clever idea but....


4. Clothing (Rule 14-3)
Articles of clothing must not incorporate features:
• designed to assist the player with his alignment; or
• that might otherwise assist the player in making a stroke or in his play.
[/quote]


My clothing does not [b]incorporate[/b] any features that allow me to make a stroke....only using my clothing "as is"....

FAIL

[ralvar]

[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354126012' post='5990331']
[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354125572' post='5990297']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
[/quote]


still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and © the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.
[/quote]


There is NO unusual equipment being used.

"Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use [b]any artificial device or unusual equipment [/b](see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), [b]or use any equipment in an unusual manner[/b]:"


FAIL

NEXT?
[/quote]


There is equipment being used in an unusual manner though.

Defn of Equipment - anything used, worn or carried by the player or anything carried for the player by his partner or either of their caddies,

Pulling your shirt tight around your neck in order to create an anchor would be using equipment in an unusual way. You aren't allowed to do this under the current rules. This new ruling doesn't change anything in that regard.

[Dano golf]

The R&A and the USGA should have done this long ago. The game of golf as stated i the rules, is a test of skill "swinging" the club with your hands. Eventually everyone will all play by the same rules and this will be a non issue. Quit whining and play "Golf".

[CCUgolfer23]

This ban was totally stupid. Did anybody see the way Mike Davis sounded so retarted in his interview on golf central? He totally changed stances in a year. He was on live tv and said that belly putters are not an issue to the future of the game and then today also on live tv said that they are. And now they are going to ban it because its more popular? Total bullxxxx in my opinion. He said its a rising trend in junior golf but when faced with the facts only 2% of juniors use a belly putter, and he has no statistical proof that belly putters help you putting. Only one player with a belly or long putter is in the top 20 in strokes gained putting. Mike Davis pretty much said they are banning it because they dont like it. I thought players taking legal actions was stupid but after hearing their response and reason of banning them I hope legal action is taken. They just looked like complete aholes on national tv and couldnt give a good reason as to why they are banning the putter other than the fact that they dont like it and it is too popular in junior golf.

[Hogan's Cardy]

I'm guessing a lot of guys still have stabilisers on their bicycles. Jeez you are playing golf not storming Omaha Beach, grab a putter and play the game.

[gators78]

[quote name='ralvar' timestamp='1354126375' post='5990371']

There is equipment being used in an unusual manner though.

Defn of Equipment - anything used, worn or carried by the player or anything carried for the player by his partner or either of their caddies,

Pulling your shirt tight around your neck in order to create an anchor would be using equipment in an unusual way. You aren't allowed to do this under the current rules. This new ruling doesn't change anything in that regard.
[/quote]

Len Mattice and Scott McCarron used to tuck their left sleeve into their arm pit during their swing, so it's not that cut and dry.

[mmack067]

[quote name='ralvar' timestamp='1354126375' post='5990371']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354126012' post='5990331']
[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354125572' post='5990297']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
[/quote]


still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and © the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.
[/quote]


There is NO unusual equipment being used.

"Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use [b]any artificial device or unusual equipment [/b](see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), [b]or use any equipment in an unusual manner[/b]:"


FAIL

NEXT?
[/quote]


There is equipment being used in an unusual manner though.

Defn of Equipment - anything used, worn or carried by the player or anything carried for the player by his partner or either of their caddies,

Pulling your shirt tight around your neck in order to create an anchor would be using equipment in an unusual way. You aren't allowed to do this under the current rules. This new ruling doesn't change anything in that regard.
[/quote]

Bingo. Clothing is considered equipment, and you would be using it unusually. You can do it all you like, but don't expect a score to ever count.

Now let's be done with this idea and move on.

[monkeynaut]

[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354126266' post='5990361']
[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354126134' post='5990347']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354126012' post='5990331']
[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354125572' post='5990297']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
[/quote]


still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and © the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.
[/quote]


There is NO unusual equipment being used.

"Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use [b]any artificial device or unusual equipment [/b](see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), [b]or use any equipment in an unusual manner[/b]:"


FAIL

NEXT?
[/quote]

Dude, it was a clever idea but....


4. Clothing (Rule 14-3)
Articles of clothing must not incorporate features:
• designed to assist the player with his alignment; or
• that might otherwise assist the player in making a stroke or in his play.
[/quote]


My clothing does not [b]incorporate[/b] any features that allow me to make a stroke....only using my clothing "as is"....

FAIL
[/quote]BUT you would be INCORPORATING THE FEATURES OF YOUR CLOTHING to assist in your stroke.
For example: You're allowed to have a golf bag with you when you play. BUT if you place the golf bag in a place that reminds you not to swing too far inside, then you are using a legal bit of equipment to align yourself and aid your swing. THAT is against the rules.
Using a legal shirt to provide illegal aid is against the rule also.

The FAIL is yours.

[tv23]

[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1354125719' post='5990303']
[quote name='tv23' timestamp='1354125136' post='5990265']
[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1354124686' post='5990219'] [quote name='tv23' timestamp='1354124481' post='5990201'] i'm [b]happy[/b] because...[list]
[*]traffic on the website i own, [url="http://www.dictionary.com"]www.dictionary.com[/url], is way up in the last hour. seems due to the keyword search [i]"bifurcation" [/i]
[*]steve williams will make less money and nobody deserves less money than steve williams
[*]i always thought it was cheating and am glad it's gone. i tried it for 1 round and was disgusted with myself. my head said it was within the rules, but my gut wanted to puke. this is the right move
[*]i can't stand keegan bradley and webb simpson... and slightly off topic, but they both have male boobies which is a total juxtaposition on skinny dudes.
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i'm [b]sad [/b]because...[list]
[*]it's delayed to 2016. put it in now.
[*]my favorite golfer of all time, ernie els, will have a difficult time winning again. this hurts me (and the game of golf at large)
[*]adam scott will be mediocre. once again. what a shame considering he has the best swing in golf
[*]carl pettersson is a good dude, but he will suffer, and i don't like when good dudes have to suffer
[*]kevin stadler may actually hurt himself if he has to use a short putter
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i'm [b]angry[/b] because...[list]
[*]i will have to listen to rich "bison-head" lerner, who is intolerable at the best of times, even when there is no controversy in the game
[*]in general, dumb people make me angry. many amateurs and hacks alike think they have to abide by the new rule. they don't realize they can play with belly putters, old grooves, and non-conforming drivers. whatever helps you enjoy the game man. get over it.
[*]i can't handle all the "bad back" stories and it's only been a few hours since the announcement. i'm the canadian version of fred couples, and add to that bad knees to boot..... but it would take a heck of lot more than aches and pains to keep me off the golf course. there's nothing else i'd rather be doing. doesn't anyone use alieve?
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[/quote] I'm ANGRY because... I won't get the 30 seconds of my life back for reading this dreck... [/quote]

firstly you read too slow if it took 30 seconds. thus you may be one of the "dumb people" i refer to in the post. fitting.
secondly, it's all true, thus it cannot be "dreck", which coincidentally has also spiked visits to [url="http://www.dictionary.com"]www.dictionary.com[/url]
[/quote]

In a slight reread of select thoughts, I was hoping for a bit of info that would suggest this was the actual work of an adult. Sadly, there is nothing there that would suggest that. Moreover, just because you feel it's true doesn't make it so, further reaffirming my belief that no adult would dare take credit...

I now know of a certain website I will not frequent, however. So you have that going for you...
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ok bud. next you are going to call me an internet troll. you seem to like using that name. most of your posts on wrx are not even your own original thoughts. how big of you. it's easier for you to go around picking posts you disagree with and reply to them to create friction. so original. you may be classified as an adult because of your age, but you are no man. you are the definition of a weasel and a chump... with no sense of humour to boot.

a pattern with you... you've taken someone's post (an attempt at subtle humour in my case) and created something that makes you feel important, because someone will now engage with you in this ridiculous banter. it's because you're missing engagement and fulfillment in life, outside of your computer screen.

i can see you now, in your wrinkle free beige cotton dockers (think jeff maggert) all by yourself at the local muni wondering why you can't get a 4ball together and why you're always playing as a single. you must be a real barrel of laughs man. think about it chicago, you ever wonder why you nobody wants to grab a beer and shoot the breeze? lighten up pal. let people express themselves. you may end up sharing a laugh and making a few friends in the process. give up the "post patrol" badge. oh yeah, and buy some new pants.

[ralvar]

[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1354126603' post='5990397']
[quote name='ralvar' timestamp='1354126375' post='5990371']
There is equipment being used in an unusual manner though.

Defn of Equipment - anything used, worn or carried by the player or anything carried for the player by his partner or either of their caddies,

Pulling your shirt tight around your neck in order to create an anchor would be using equipment in an unusual way. You aren't allowed to do this under the current rules. This new ruling doesn't change anything in that regard.
[/quote]

Len Mattice and Scott McCarron used to tuck their left sleeve into their arm pit during their swing, so it's not that cut and dry.
[/quote]

I'm sure there is a grey area, but I don't think the current discussion is grey. Len and Scott may be tucking their shirt in their armpit to give them a sense of connectedness, but the shirt doesn't prevent them from disconnecting. Pulling the shirt tight and anchoring the end of a putter to it certainly limits the putters top end movement and would not be considered legal (in this humble rules official's opinion).

Whatever the case, I think I'll have to time my next rules seminar to happen in 2016 cause this discussion will be fun...


Oh and GO GATORS!!!!

[BirdieBob]

[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354126698' post='5990401']
[quote name='ralvar' timestamp='1354126375' post='5990371']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354126012' post='5990331']
[quote name='mmack067' timestamp='1354125572' post='5990297']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354124674' post='5990217']
[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1354123383' post='5990111']
Q. For a long putter that I use to anchor to my upper chest........ [b]If I anchor my upper hand to my loose shirt that I pull down tight around my neck, is that ok? This is then anchored to my shirt, NOT my body![/b]
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still lookiing for a RULES DECISION!
Is this a legit workaround?
[/quote]

14-3 "Artificial Devices, Unusual Equipment and Unusual Use of Equipment"


Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use any artificial device or unusual equipment (see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), or use any equipment in an unusual manner:
a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or
b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that
might affect his play; or
c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that:

(i) gloves may be worn provided that they are plain gloves;
(ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturizing agents may be used; and
(iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip.

Exceptions:

1. A player is not in breach of this Rule if (a) the equipment or device is
designed for or has the effect of alleviating a medical condition,
(b) the player has a legitimate medical reason to use the equipment or
device, and © the Committee is satisfied that its use does not give the player
any undue advantage over other players.
2. A player is not in breach of this Rule if he uses equipment in a
traditionally accepted manner.

PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3:
Disqualification.

In short, not gonna fly.
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There is NO unusual equipment being used.

"Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player must not
use [b]any artificial device or unusual equipment [/b](see Appendix IV for detailed
specifications and interpretations), [b]or use any equipment in an unusual manner[/b]:"


FAIL

NEXT?
[/quote]


There is equipment being used in an unusual manner though.

Defn of Equipment - anything used, worn or carried by the player or anything carried for the player by his partner or either of their caddies,

Pulling your shirt tight around your neck in order to create an anchor would be using equipment in an unusual way. You aren't allowed to do this under the current rules. This new ruling doesn't change anything in that regard.
[/quote]

Bingo. Clothing is considered equipment, and you would be using it unusually. You can do it all you like, but don't expect a score to ever count.

Now let's be done with this idea and move on.
[/quote]


WE HAVE A DECISION......WINNER!

[stimpmeterp]

[size=5]All - which pro golfers' current stroke will be prohibited by this rule, when/if implemented? I've scrolled through 6 pages without seeing that mentioned. Can some motivated soul put together a list with pictorial for us to review? [/size]
[size=5]-Stimp[/size]

[johnom]

[i]to clarify the next new rule book comes out in 2016[/i]

[i]the yips sent Ben Hogam packing[/i]

[307golf]

[quote][size=5]All - which current professionals will now be prohibited by this rule?[/size][/quote]

This question is impossible to answer in a useful way.

[3_Jack_Par]

[quote name='Openwater22' timestamp='1354122190' post='5990015']
[quote name='b0geyman' timestamp='1354114767' post='5989227']
Fellow USGA members: any support for a mass resignation unless they rescind this proposal? Let's pick a date.

And for the record I do not use an anchored putting stroke
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I resigned when they butchered the groove ruling, but I'll spend the 30 bucks or whatever to rejoin so I can resign again to be part of a protest.
[/quote]

[stimpmeterp]

[quote name='307golf' timestamp='1354127873' post='5990515']
[quote][size=5]All - which current professionals will now be prohibited by this rule?[/size][/quote]

This question is impossible to answer in a useful way.
[/quote]

I re-phrased it

[scotee]

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Looks like discrimination against fat people. Can I file a suit for Americans with disabilities?

[KYMAR]

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Looks like discrimination against fat people. Can I file a suit for Americans with disabilities?
[/quote]

Why, does the rule effect your job?