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Fake? C'mon Bob.
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I actually think it looks a little strange as well. I mean it's missing font, how are you supposed to know the face angle? You should get it checked out.
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Ok, so it's now a majority vote...send it to me and let me verify it. I will send it back to you Pure if it is not fake.

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good comparison pictures!

@pure745 - i wonder what would happen if you did a similar test to CP if the results would be the same. also modifying the test to have two head equal in weight. i'm sure you already have a shootout planned! i would love to find out for myself. in some cases retail and tour are the same - but when you have to sizes of heads and shapes with the same graphics - throw that debate out the window... they are different.

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[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1361385654' post='6466141']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1361384861' post='6466015']
Gosh Pure, your 2 Dot looks fake to me comparing it to the V2 head!

Back to CP's testing....the main features that stand out between the two are,
Head Size
Head Length...front to back
Face Size
Toe Weight position

Not to mention that the V2 might have some hot melt inside

Most of these will effect how one plays over the other in some ways, especially for us Am's. It may not be much, but when looking at LM numbers, I would bet that Toe Shots will gather slightly different data between the two. Depending on your swing and your key misses, I could easily see how one head might stand out slightly better then the other off LM data and course time.

Does this make one better then the other? Think not
Is one a better Value then the other? I think so
Will the values of both drop like the stocks that I currently own? I think so

I hope to provide some retail vs retail numbers soon with my R11s to my R1 as I have them both dialed in really close to each other.

Thanks for the info CP...great job!
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i got the head raw and hot melted 4 grams into it.

i was thinking the same thing about the toe shots because the weight being further back. so far from what ive seen the toe shots launch higher and go further left
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Further back AND higher up! No other MWT retail offering has this !
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much higher, yet for some reason everything off the toe shoots in the air, im thinking the high spin has someting to do with that.

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[quote name='swanry30' timestamp='1361389153' post='6466541']
good comparison pictures!

@pure745 - i wonder what would happen if you did a similar test to CP if the results would be the same. also modifying the test to have two head equal in weight. i'm sure you already have a shootout planned! i would love to find out for myself. in some cases retail and tour are the same - but when you have to sizes of heads and shapes with the same graphics - throw that debate out the window... they are different.
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i was surprised that the re-test didn't change any of the other pros results, he still didn't like it even with near identical swing weights when we went back out yesterday.

but yes id like to see @pure hit it, im thinking he can move it further then me and that would be a good test since these are made for swing speeds in excess of my 104mph

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[quote name='swanry30' timestamp='1361389153' post='6466541']
good comparison pictures!

@pure745 - i wonder what would happen if you did a similar test to CP if the results would be the same. also modifying the test to have two head equal in weight. i'm sure you already have a shootout planned! i would love to find out for myself. in some cases retail and tour are the same - but when you have to sizes of heads and shapes with the same graphics - throw that debate out the window... they are different.
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i was surprised that the re-test didn't change any of the other pros results, he still didn't like it even with near identical swing weights when we went back out yesterday.

but yes id like to see @pure hit it, im thinking he can move it further then me and that would be a good test since these are made for swing speeds in excess of my 104mph
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not doubting the retest at all - surprised, yes... regardless of what type of player involved it would be great to see a comparison from a second party. hard to base an actual conclusion off such a small sampling size.

caesar - thank you for your time and effort, good baseline information here!

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Yeah, thanks CP. Great info.

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Great write up CP. Can't wait for the Oban write up! Thanks again.

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Great write up CP. Can't wait for the Oban write up! Thanks again.
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ships in less then 2 days! i cant wait either. ill get some number up comparing everything.

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I'll tell you Dave, I've had my R1/Kiyoshi for a few days now and it's as good as I remember us hitting in Naples. Soaring, low-spin, bombs. I've not been able to get mine on my Trackman (missing a cable), but the head is a fairway finding, low-spin SOB. You know I play a 8.5 head but with this combo, I'm sitting on 10 and seriously thinking I may reach 11.0 before I get the launch and carry I'm after. On my first range session, I saw a half-dozen knuckleballs. It was crazy.

 

 

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I'll tell you Dave, I've had my R1/Kiyoshi for a few days now and it's as good as I remember us hitting in Naples. Soaring, low-spin, bombs. I've not been able to get mine on my Trackman (missing a cable), but the head is a fairway finding, low-spin SOB. You know I play a 8.5 head but with this combo, I'm sitting on 10 and seriously thinking I may reach 11.0 before I get the launch and carry I'm after. On my first range session, I saw a half-dozen knuckleballs. It was crazy.
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You are making me quite jealous. Mine was supposed to ship by the end of the week so once i get it I'll get some launch monitor numbers up. I can't wait

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So what's the update with Super TP Kiyoshi shaft in it? Or selling it already? I see V2's on eBay BIN 699, never seen a TM product drop in demand so fast, what's the final results?

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still waiting for the Kiyoshi shaft to show up

please stop trying to stir things up with how much the tour heads are going for on ebay. people can sell them for whatever they want to, Taylormade doesnt put a price on tour heads since they dont sell them. the one you are talking about is used anyway so expect a drop in price.

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[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1362080079' post='6521455']
still waiting for the Kiyoshi shaft to show up

please stop trying to stir things up with how much the tour heads are going for on ebay. people can sell them for whatever they want to, Taylormade doesnt put a price on tour heads since they dont sell them. the one you are talking about is used anyway so expect a drop in price.
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I browse eBay each day and I have not seen any new R1 Super TP's going for 6 bills???

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[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1362080079' post='6521455']
still waiting for the Kiyoshi shaft to show up

please stop trying to stir things up with how much the tour heads are going for on ebay. people can sell them for whatever they want to, Taylormade doesnt put a price on tour heads since they dont sell them. the one you are talking about is used anyway so expect a drop in price.
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I browse eBay each day and I have not seen any new R1 Super TP's going for 6 bills???
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i think he meant V2, thats what i meant sorry

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So if they don't sell them CP how does one find themselves with a handful of brand new spec'd V2 heads?? The grey market is REAL and it's a clear business model or TM should call the FBI because they are being robbed blind...BB :)

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So if they don't sell them CP how does one find themselves with a handful of brand new spec'd V2 heads?? The grey market is REAL and it's a clear business model or TM should call the FBI because they are being robbed blind...BB :)
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What I meant was TM does not make V2 heads to sell to retailers. So they don't have an MSRP. That's all I meant by they don't sell them, it's not an option you can order from your local country club.

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Gotcha, personally it would be hypocritical for me to complain as half of my bag is tour issue but it's quite cristal clear mass quantity of product doesn't materialize because a caddy gets paid off with a club or player sells off one of his old sticks. There is no chance all of these clubs are moving out of the back door of the vans...BB

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[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1362080079' post='6521455']
still waiting for the Kiyoshi shaft to show up

please stop trying to stir things up with how much the tour heads are going for on ebay. people can sell them for whatever they want to, Taylormade doesnt put a price on tour heads since they dont sell them. the one you are talking about is used anyway so expect a drop in price.
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I can post whatever I wish about the V2 heads and ebay unless you think you own the copyright to them, why are you so mad? I said I haven't seen the market drop this fast on them, I know half of the country isn't golfing, but still. Also who cares if its used? As long as the specs match up if I was in the market for one I'd try and find the cheapest available. I was asking what's the final results on this topic, you are getting paranoid like yours is on eBay for a quick flip. No one is stirring anything up, I asked what was the final results of this as there isn't much R1 talk on here lately..... calm down

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Interesting that we had a post removed from a member that enlightened us on how he was able to purchase true tour issue clubs directly from Taylormade for less than retail if you know the right people, that must be how the volume of TM Tour issue gear manages its way to the open market. Specifically mentioned his R11 Dot and his 4 wood, wonder why it was pulled down?? BB

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when was this? well i mean it makes sense, if you have connections im sure someone can hook you up. i mean i assume it would have been taken down because thats not exactly the kind of business OEMs do, kind shady right?

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It's TM's business to do what they see fit shady or not, I've just always wondered how guys end up with so much volume. I totally understand a one off here and there but a steady business is a little confusing...BB

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i wouldnt lump one employee in for what a whole company does.

but o well, i dont get how the whole tour issue clubs get released anyway

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So back to what this is about. Heard someone got the white finally. When do we get to see the results of the v2 and white combo?!!!!

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So back to what this is about. Heard someone got the white finally. When do we get to see the results of the v2 and white combo?!!!!
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when its not 39* out, hopefully saturday morning ill get the launch monitor going

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[quote name='deck' timestamp='1362103316' post='6523791']
So back to what this is about. Heard someone got the white finally. When do we get to see the results of the v2 and white combo?!!!!
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when its not 39* out, hopefully saturday morning ill get the launch monitor going
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Yeah I forgot. You skinny guys don't like the cold! Can't wait. Make sure your monitor is set up right. Not like the one I used!

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[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1362103595' post='6523813']
[quote name='deck' timestamp='1362103316' post='6523791']
So back to what this is about. Heard someone got the white finally. When do we get to see the results of the v2 and white combo?!!!!
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when its not 39* out, hopefully saturday morning ill get the launch monitor going
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Make sure that shaft is warm. Do not snap that sucker in that brutal cold weather...

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