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Hi, is anyone else besides me still gaming a non- adjustable, shaft glued in the hosel, properly weighted, solid feeling driver or has most everyone gone the adjustable route? I have been more satisfied with my Titleist 909 D-2 than the newer ones I have tried. To me the sound and feel of the 909 are above what is currently available, and I have tried the 910 and 913 as well. Any thoughts? Thanks

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I have never owned an adjustable driver. My opinion is that I should work on my swing rather than try to alter a club to correct a flaw. Maybe I am missing out, but again, just my opinion.

For what it's worth I have tried som of the adjustable stuff. I would be more likely to buy a club with a glued club head and movable weights than one with an adjustable hosel.

Just my $0.02

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[quote name='bnha509' timestamp='1376843306' post='7698754']
I have never owned an adjustable driver. My opinion is that I should work on my swing rather than try to alter a club to correct a flaw. Maybe I am missing out, but again, just my opinion.

For what it's worth I have tried som of the adjustable stuff. I would be more likely to buy a club with a glued club head and movable weights than one with an adjustable hosel.

Just my $0.02
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Since when did changing lie angle to fit your swing plane or adjusting loft to fit your launch angle become a flaw? That's 2/3rds of the normal adjustment options. Now, moveable weights are more to adjust purely for a swing flaw, since in theory they only adjust for direction/fade/draw bias.

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Technology has advance and all of the OEM's are feeding the need for adjustment by the golfer and not a fitter. But with that being said, I buy adjustable drivers and never adjust them.

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I used to think the adjustable drivers were a gimmick, but I am really liking my solid feeling, custom properly weighted driver. I like having a driver that fits my swing rather then fitting my swing to a club. Hitting my R1 straighter then another driver I've tried.

And to the comment about working on their swing then changing the club.... Professional golfers were using lead tape to weight their clubs to fit their swing before there was adjustable weighting



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I play i20. Solid.

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flame suit ready...adjustable drivers are gimmicks that have less to do with the end user and more to do with the oem's being able to make a one-size-fits-all to further reduce manufacturing costs. their qc was bad enough before these things but now they barely even have to worry about tolerances for lofts and face angles. the only positive argument i can see for these is quick shaft removal for shaft fitting purposes.

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[quote name='chiromikey' timestamp='1376851493' post='7699328']
flame suit ready...adjustable drivers are gimmicks that have less to do with the end user and more to do with the oem's being able to make a one-size-fits-all to further reduce manufacturing costs. their qc was bad enough before these things but now they barely even have to worry about tolerances for lofts and face angles. the only positive argument i can see for these is quick shaft removal for shaft fitting purposes.
[/quote]plus 1 on that

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[quote name='bnha509' timestamp='1376843306' post='7698754']
I have never owned an adjustable driver. My opinion is that I should work on my swing rather than try to alter a club to correct a flaw. Maybe I am missing out, but again, just my opinion.

For what it's worth I have tried som of the adjustable stuff. I would be more likely to buy a club with a glued club head and movable weights than one with an adjustable hosel.

Just my $0.02
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Since when did changing lie angle to fit your swing plane or adjusting loft to fit your launch angle become a flaw? That's 2/3rds of the normal adjustment options. Now, moveable weights are more to adjust purely for a swing flaw, since in theory they only adjust for direction/fade/draw bias.
[/quote]hate to break it to you but adjust able weights are a sham, you literally need a 50 gram difference between heal and toe to have directional influence. Adjustable drivers are just an excuse to continue sloppy quality control practices. If the specs liked for a head were any where close to what you actually got.............

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I have yet to buy into the adjustable driver craze and really don't intend to anytime soon. I'm actually looking back to find a classic head. Currently going back and forth between an R5 TP and Cleveland Launcher Compz. Both are as long as the l909D2 I hit.

I liked the look if the covert Tiger played. I noticed it was glued together. If I could find one like that I may grab it.

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I'm still using the Mizuno JPX-800 driver. Not one that is talked about a lot, but it's a bomber.

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I will never buy another driver that is not adjustable...absolute must!
I play the most adjustable driver on the market...the R1.
I use the dual weights to chane swingweigh ; the ability to change shafts is very important; the loft changes...huge!
Of course face angle is also very important.

Of course l I will adjust due coarse conditions, and weather...very wortwhile.

Of course the tour pros also play adjustable drivers either like the one I play or they take it over to the tour van and get adjusted.
Either way it is adjustable.

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I owned one adjustable driver. A TaylorMade Superdeep. I played around with it and found the same thing I always knew. I want the face to be a little open, and they same basic lie that I have played since the mid 1980s. So why fool around with it.

The drivers I own are: Mizuno MP 600 8.5, Bridgestone J33 8.5 (i own 2 of them. One is 9 degrees and the other one is 7.7 or so. Both say 8.5 on the sole) Cobra S91 Pro S, Taylor Made R510TP I like the Protopype shaft series by Aldila. Or old Penley shafts with real stiff tips. All the drivers have one of the other in them.

You can give me an adjustable driver. But I sure as Frell wont buy one. I have kept my average score for the last 20 years. And its been 74, doing it the old fashion way. Adding them all up and dividing by the number of scores. So I am not a hot low scoring stick, but not a hacker either.

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Still play r510tp, no need to switch when have several with similar spec

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Only thing I like about adjustable drivers is the ability to switch out shafts with ease.

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[quote name='Fade to Black' timestamp='1376864877' post='7700636']
Only thing I like about adjustable drivers is the ability to switch out shafts with ease.
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+1 to the statement of the day. It makes it simple to come up with some wicked combinations (and remedy flops) with ease. Adjustable drivers are a bit of a pain in the butt when you have a customer with a horrid swing purchase one with the thought that its going to cure all of their faults. I prefer to push lessons and proper swing mechanics over trying to cure a cannon ball wound with peroxide and a band aid.

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[quote name='justaman5' timestamp='1376863775' post='7700480']
I have kept my average score for the last 20 years.
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Some people like to try things to improve their scores :taunt:

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[quote name='mweaver84' timestamp='1376872831' post='7701566']
[quote name='justaman5' timestamp='1376863775' post='7700480']
I have kept my average score for the last 20 years.
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Some people like to try things to improve their scores :taunt:
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that's marketing talking. i think it's pretty safe to say that there hasn't been a single club (gimmick) invented that has statistically improved scores.

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I was a skeptic. No longer... wind conditions and lie angle of my driver are important. I can on a not windy day bomb 10º balls to roll out. Nice at elevation, too. If it's breezy, I can crank down to 7.75º and play roll. I haven't changed my 3w and hybrid for conditions, nor have I needed to. But should I want to change shaft for any reason, I can relatively easily. Should I break a head, I can replace it without having to buy a new club. I can also change the swingweight to my liking without tape, angle without glue, and all with a simple tool.

I once thought that a well-fitted club was as good as the best setting you could do for yourself. At least as far as the driver goes, I see dramatic day-to-day, round-to-round benefits. Let's call it what it is; this is a stick-shift and not an automatic. Some will not want the manipulation. For me, the performance change has been dramatic, but that's the club. The tweaks of angle and face have been less drastic, but can be an extra 5-10y on the right day or conditions. Since there's not much associated extra cost, and the hosel is as solid as a glued hosel, I don't see a downside anymore.

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I can after playing golf since 1973, hit it low with my driver. Or hit it high with my driver. I lived in South Carolina in the upstate for most of the 80s. The wind blows like Frell there during the spring. You either learn to hit it low, or the alternative I dont need adjustability with a driver, when u can do all the same with ball postiion and the height the tee is stuck in the ground.

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If they perform the same, and allow you to experiment with shafts; I am not sure what the downside is. I love my RBZ tour don't really adjust it nor did I do so with my R11 once set, but it just performs.

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[quote name='turnbowm' timestamp='1376876983' post='7702110']
Adjustable drivers are here to stay because they offer the ability to fine-tune the club to meet one's requirements (loft, face angle, etc.) and also make for easy shaft changes. The ability to change SW with removable weights is an added plus.
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I am afraid that the poster previously nailed it, adjustable drivers are here to stay for economic reasons, that is it. These manufacturers now make a single head instead of half a dozen or more. Nowdays, even with a ridiculous number of current lines, a company like TM probably has fewer different driver heads than Titleist would have had 10 years ago. It is fundamental economics, they make savings by virtue of larger orders, they minimise risk by not having to stock many variants and they maximise availability for the very same reason.

Perhaps for the very frequent golfer, these clubs offer options but for a weekend golfer (which most of us are), they are a bit of a nuisance. Instead of just picking it up and enjoying your game, you have potentially dozens of variations you need to try out to get it right. I simply don't have the time and would much sooner go to the shop, check the monitor, hit on the range and have the job done there and then. I don't want to tweak it for next time. More than that, I still have to get a fit for the shaft.

And the last point, tolerances. As stated before, with adjustable clubs the tolerances become much less important because the club can compensate. Maybe the manufacturing processes have improved but, as someone with engineering in mind, it strikes me as hard to believe that the dispersion would be as good on an adjustable as it would on something fixed. I wonder would any manufacturer be willing to put that to the test with an iron byron?

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